Anonymous
Post 11/06/2017 16:59     Subject: Re:Church shootings /nervous in church
Anonymous wrote:I am very sorry that this happened and my heart is broken for those families that lost loved ones but if I hear one person use this tragedy as evidence that Christians are sooo persecuted in America I am going to lose my mind.


Who has said this is evidence that “Christians are persecuted in America?”

It’s pretty revealing where your mind is taking you.
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2017 16:58     Subject: Church shootings /nervous in church
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is a fear that Muslims and Jews have had over their places of worship, for a long time. Many mosques and synagogues are no stranger to vandalism, or destruction of their houses of worship, and many, many threats.

I am not "happy" about any senseless violence, but it is interesting to hear Christians (particularly white Christians) talk about a feeling of fear - that is unfortunately so common and has been long standing for other groups in their houses of solace.


“It is interesting”? What on earth do you mean by that?


I mean just that. Minorities have felt this fear in their places of worship for a long time, and had a heightened sense of awareness of their vulnerable position -- even in "safe" places - that it's odd to be reminded that this fear is new and unusual for others.


Translation: we’ve had it rough so it’s funny that now you are too.

What is wrong with you?
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2017 16:47     Subject: Church shootings /nervous in church
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is a fear that Muslims and Jews have had over their places of worship, for a long time. Many mosques and synagogues are no stranger to vandalism, or destruction of their houses of worship, and many, many threats.

I am not "happy" about any senseless violence, but it is interesting to hear Christians (particularly white Christians) talk about a feeling of fear - that is unfortunately so common and has been long standing for other groups in their houses of solace.


“It is interesting”? What on earth do you mean by that?


I mean just that. Minorities have felt this fear in their places of worship for a long time, and had a heightened sense of awareness of their vulnerable position -- even in "safe" places - that it's odd to be reminded that this fear is new and unusual for others.
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2017 16:46     Subject: Re:Church shootings /nervous in church
I am very sorry that this happened and my heart is broken for those families that lost loved ones but if I hear one person use this tragedy as evidence that Christians are sooo persecuted in America I am going to lose my mind.
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2017 16:40     Subject: Church shootings /nervous in church
Anonymous wrote:This is a fear that Muslims and Jews have had over their places of worship, for a long time. Many mosques and synagogues are no stranger to vandalism, or destruction of their houses of worship, and many, many threats.

I am not "happy" about any senseless violence, but it is interesting to hear Christians (particularly white Christians) talk about a feeling of fear - that is unfortunately so common and has been long standing for other groups in their houses of solace.


“It is interesting”? What on earth do you mean by that?
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2017 16:33     Subject: Church shootings /nervous in church
This is a fear that Muslims and Jews have had over their places of worship, for a long time. Many mosques and synagogues are no stranger to vandalism, or destruction of their houses of worship, and many, many threats.

I am not "happy" about any senseless violence, but it is interesting to hear Christians (particularly white Christians) talk about a feeling of fear - that is unfortunately so common and has been long standing for other groups in their houses of solace.
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2017 16:21     Subject: Church shootings /nervous in church
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:most churches have a police security


Huh? Those off duty police officers who direct traffic when the megachurch or synagogue lets out are not "security." I've never seen security at a church service.


+1
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2017 16:15     Subject: Re:Church shootings /nervous in church
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Or alternatively more people will be killed when wannabe heroes start firing and people are panicking and running all over - most people who open or conceal carry have no training in shooting under pressure.


Interestingly, I can't think of any shootings or attacks where this has happened. I agree with you it's logical, but it doesn't seem to happen.


Look up the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs. A former cop (female) shot the gunman.


Ok, that makes two. Out of hundreds of relatively recent mass killings involving guns.

The solution is to keep guns out of the hands of those with records and mental illness and dishonorable discharges, like this guy. The solution is not to arm everybody to the teeth in churches, schools, and malls. What is wrong with you people?
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2017 16:08     Subject: Re:Church shootings /nervous in church
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Or alternatively more people will be killed when wannabe heroes start firing and people are panicking and running all over - most people who open or conceal carry have no training in shooting under pressure.


Interestingly, I can't think of any shootings or attacks where this has happened. I agree with you it's logical, but it doesn't seem to happen.


Look up the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs. A former cop (female) shot the gunman.
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2017 16:03     Subject: Church shootings /nervous in church
Anonymous wrote:most churches have a police security


Huh? Those off duty police officers who direct traffic when the megachurch or synagogue lets out are not "security." I've never seen security at a church service.
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2017 15:54     Subject: Re:Church shootings /nervous in church
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When my ILs church in Florida supposedly received threats they responded by encouraging the congregants to bring their weapons to mass. I'm not kidding. God bless America I guess. SMFH.


An armed private citizen shot the murderer in Texas yesterday, apparently chasing him out of the church where he then took off and then killed himself. Obviously the level of devastation was still unthinkable, but there's nothing wrong with people who have CHLs carrying.


DP-This one time. In all of the mass shootings over the years, this was the first time anyone with a gun, a shotgun in this case (outside the church), actually was able to get off a shot.

Yes, this justifies having everyone carry guns. God Bless America, indeed. I doubt the big imaginary man in the sky would bless any of this.
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2017 15:51     Subject: Re:Church shootings /nervous in church
Anonymous wrote:You all should pray anyway. It will help you cope with the fact that your elected officials are bull-headed racists who think that white men need guns to protect themselves from black and brown people.

SMH


Oh hello, flame throwing troll
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2017 15:48     Subject: Church shootings /nervous in church
Anonymous wrote:What state are you in? If you live in an open carry state like Texas or Virginia, there is a good chance that someone might save you if they are packing. The neighbor in Texas saved a lot of people and is a hero (even CNN calls him that). You can't tell but my husband always packs wherever he goes in Virginia - even in church. Can't do that in Maryland because there's no reciprocity. Can't do it in DC because laws are so stringent (but changing).


Or we could stop mentally ill people, or people with a history of domestic or other violence (like this guy) from getting guns in the first place. But the NRA and their lapdogs in Congress would never permit even that type of screening.
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2017 15:47     Subject: Re:Church shootings /nervous in church
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Or alternatively more people will be killed when wannabe heroes start firing and people are panicking and running all over - most people who open or conceal carry have no training in shooting under pressure.



Not if they have gone to a good instructor or the NRA range.



omg
Anonymous
Post 11/06/2017 15:47     Subject: Church shootings /nervous in church
My church is in Maryland. There are no police on site. The congregation as a whole is very liberal/anti-gun so I don't picture there being many armed parishioners. I know it's still a really low risk but my imagination runs away from me... perhaps because it's a fairly quiet/contemplative time and all of our backs are to the doors.