Anonymous
Post 11/02/2017 18:13     Subject: Shocking behavior from Fairfax County Police Offices

So since the reporter popped in, was the nosy lady in the fuschia jacket part of the Gillepsie campaign? She seemed to be complaining about the reporter dude in the beginning of the video.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2017 17:48     Subject: Shocking behavior from Fairfax County Police Offices

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You can get arrested for cursing?!


It falls under disorderly conduct


Let me help you with that because you are wrong:

(a) A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if, with the intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof, he:

(1) In any street, highway, public building, or while in or on a public conveyance, or public place engages in conduct having a direct tendency to cause acts of violence by the person or persons at whom, individually, such conduct is directed; provided, however, such conduct shall not be deemed to include the utterance or display of any words or to include conduct otherwise made punishable under this Article; or

(2) Willfully, or being intoxicated, whether willfully or not, disrupts any meeting of the governing body of any political subdivision of this State or a division or agency thereof, or of any school, literary society or place of religious worship, if such disruption prevents or interferes with the orderly conduct of such meeting or has a direct tendency to cause acts of violence by the person or persons at whom, individually, such disruption is directed; provided, however, such conduct shall not be deemed to include the utterance or display of any words or to include conduct otherwise made punishable under this Article.

(3) A person violating any provision of this Section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2017 17:31     Subject: Shocking behavior from Fairfax County Police Offices

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Mike Stark here, the reporter.

I'll address a few different topics that have been raised.

First, media credentials: "credentials" are issued by venues. The House and Senate has a credentialing office called the Gallery. State Houses, concert venues, sports stadiums and other organizations that frequently deal with media will generally establish their own criteria for credentialing. Some cities, like NYC and DC will also issue credentials to press that apply for them, but the vast majority of journalists do not. Most of us work from our desks with our telephone. Here, in Anandale, I'm not aware of any credentialing office for the parade. So was I credentialed? Well, I guess that's in the eye of the beholder. When I'm asked for credentials, I produce my cell phone and navigate to my page on ShareBlue (which serves several million pages per day), and, if required, to other places I've been a reporter. But even who is and is not a reporter is something that's difficult to define. Are David Brooks, Sean Hannity, Paul Krugman and Peggy Noonan press? I think so... But they do something different from Lester Holt and Shepard Smith. And what about TMZ? The point is that I report news and people read my stuff. Sometime's I'm credentialed, sometimes I'm not. At this parade, credentials were irrelevant.

Next, the police order: The policeman told me to get out of the road. I complied with his order to get out of the road, immediately. Then the policeman told me to leave the campaign alone. I told him he'd have to arrest me if he expected me to comply with that order. He said he would. Now things started escalating quickly. I told him I was a reporter. He didn't care. Less than a minute later, I was face down on the sidewalk with a bunch of cops on top of me.

Here's the deal: I was there to cover the parade. Anyone remember the First Amendment and the clause about freedom of the press? Ed Gillespie thinks that doesn't apply to him; that he can enlist police to protect him from the press. That's absurd! I've got every bit the same right to public spaces that Gillespie does. We're both equal citizens. The police shouldn't be taking his side or mine - they should simply enforce the laws. And there is nothing illegal about me asking a candidate for governor questions on behalf of my news organization.

I've got more to say, but some work just came across my desk. Evidently, Gillespie called Northern Virginia "enemy territory"... I've got some writing to do. Catch you later.


So, let's reviewed...

You're not actually a credentialed reporter. Do you have credentials on Capitol Hill? With police? With any campaign? The blog used the word "credentials" and said you had "credentials." But all you seem to say is you wrote something on the Web and that makes you a reporter. No, you're not. You're IMPERSONATING a reporter. Please stop calling yourself "press." You're muddying the waters for both Democrats and journalists.

Signed, a Democrat and an actual journalist, credentialed by the House and Senate press galleries, the White House, four federal agencies, three different presidential campaigns, and in my earlier years, five different law enforcement agencies (in different cities). Qualifying for credentials, BTW, generally means fulfilling a set of criteria that asks about financial independence and in the case of the White House undergoing a background check by the Secret Service. There is ACCOUNTABILITY associated with those credentials. You don't just identify yourself as a reporter and navigate on your cell phone to a blog you write.

Should you have been arrested? I don't know. But you do seem rather belligerent and interested in escalating the situation rather than diffusing it. And, in this case, you violated one of the basic tenets of actual journalism: Never make YOURSELF the story.



So I was just on the Hill last week reporting for NowThis. And yes, I was credentialed by the Gallery.

But this debate is tired, tired, tired. Certain reporters (are you Eilperin by chance?) have long held animus toward the democratization of journalism. But here's the thing: you wouldn't feel so threatened if you did your jobs a little better. Ya know why I've been on the trail covering Gillespie since mid-September? Because no other media has asked Gillespie:

1. After Charlottesville, Mr. Gillespie, why is George Allen on your campaign? You know, the former governor that kept a Confederate Flag and a noose in his office... The guy that refused to sign a bill making MLK's birthday a state holiday, but did commemorate Confederate Day. The guy that used the n-word prolifically according to several witnesses.

2. After Las Vegas, Mr. Gillespie, why won't you release your NRA questionnaire? You made certain promises to the NRA, and won their endorsement as a result. Why won't you tell Virginian voters exactly what you promised by releasing your questionnaire?

3. You are running MS-13 ads across the state. Have you given any thought to the effect those ads may have on Latino families that are working hard and playing by the rules? My kids go to school with Latino children and my kids see those ads. What should I tell my kids to ensure we don't produce another generation of young adults that are scared of people that look different or speak a different language?

That's what I've been asking him for six weeks. Maybe you can tell me why that isn't journalism and what differentiates your work from mine.

So far as my own belligerence goes and the way the situation escalated: I've never shrunk from my role. I swore at cops because they were telling me I couldn't do my job... that I would be arrested if I tried. I should have been more professional and tried harder to de-escalate rather than increasing the temperature. But ya know what? I'm not perfect. And after 6 weeks+ of being threatened with arrest for trespass when covering Gillespie events - after driving across half the state to get to them... After having special rules ascribed that kept me out of the scrum to me because the Gillespie campaign asked for them at the Wise debate (where I was fully credentialed)... well... I was really tired of the campaign using the police to intimidate me or legally prevent me from asking him questions. So yeah, I'm human and my accumulated frustration had me in a place where I made the bad choice of getting angry with the cops rather than trying to talk more reasonably with them...

But who are we kidding? No amount of reasonable discussion was going to change the cop's mind from protecting the campaign to protecting my civil rights.

What is really interesting to me though is that you assume all the worst things about me rather than demonstrate even the slightest professional solidarity.

A journalist was arrested for asking Tom Price a question. Another was tackled and beat up by the Montana Congressman. Others were ketteled and arrested and face prison time for covering the inaugural protests.

Your view from the top of the journalistic mountain seems obscured by thick clouds of elitism. Some of us are doing real work out here, and we could use you on our side rather than lining up behind the powerful.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2017 17:27     Subject: Shocking behavior from Fairfax County Police Offices

The "reporter", is a political activist for the left. He stages events. True journalists do not create the news, they report the news. Activists act out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Stark
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2017 17:27     Subject: Shocking behavior from Fairfax County Police Offices

Anonymous wrote:You can get arrested for cursing?!


It falls under disorderly conduct
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2017 17:22     Subject: Shocking behavior from Fairfax County Police Offices

Perhaps you all should check out what ShareBlue is first before accepting something as true. As in the reporter himself started this thread and then "popped in" to elucidate us. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shareblue_Media
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2017 17:12     Subject: Shocking behavior from Fairfax County Police Offices

Anonymous wrote:Mike Stark here, the reporter.

I'll address a few different topics that have been raised.

First, media credentials: "credentials" are issued by venues. The House and Senate has a credentialing office called the Gallery. State Houses, concert venues, sports stadiums and other organizations that frequently deal with media will generally establish their own criteria for credentialing. Some cities, like NYC and DC will also issue credentials to press that apply for them, but the vast majority of journalists do not. Most of us work from our desks with our telephone. Here, in Anandale, I'm not aware of any credentialing office for the parade. So was I credentialed? Well, I guess that's in the eye of the beholder. When I'm asked for credentials, I produce my cell phone and navigate to my page on ShareBlue (which serves several million pages per day), and, if required, to other places I've been a reporter. But even who is and is not a reporter is something that's difficult to define. Are David Brooks, Sean Hannity, Paul Krugman and Peggy Noonan press? I think so... But they do something different from Lester Holt and Shepard Smith. And what about TMZ? The point is that I report news and people read my stuff. Sometime's I'm credentialed, sometimes I'm not. At this parade, credentials were irrelevant.

Next, the police order: The policeman told me to get out of the road. I complied with his order to get out of the road, immediately. Then the policeman told me to leave the campaign alone. I told him he'd have to arrest me if he expected me to comply with that order. He said he would. Now things started escalating quickly. I told him I was a reporter. He didn't care. Less than a minute later, I was face down on the sidewalk with a bunch of cops on top of me.

Here's the deal: I was there to cover the parade. Anyone remember the First Amendment and the clause about freedom of the press? Ed Gillespie thinks that doesn't apply to him; that he can enlist police to protect him from the press. That's absurd! I've got every bit the same right to public spaces that Gillespie does. We're both equal citizens. The police shouldn't be taking his side or mine - they should simply enforce the laws. And there is nothing illegal about me asking a candidate for governor questions on behalf of my news organization.

I've got more to say, but some work just came across my desk. Evidently, Gillespie called Northern Virginia "enemy territory"... I've got some writing to do. Catch you later.


Perhaps you should change your name to Mike Stalk(er). Seems more appropriate.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2017 17:08     Subject: Shocking behavior from Fairfax County Police Offices

Anonymous wrote:Mike Stark here, the reporter.

I'll address a few different topics that have been raised.

First, media credentials: "credentials" are issued by venues. The House and Senate has a credentialing office called the Gallery. State Houses, concert venues, sports stadiums and other organizations that frequently deal with media will generally establish their own criteria for credentialing. Some cities, like NYC and DC will also issue credentials to press that apply for them, but the vast majority of journalists do not. Most of us work from our desks with our telephone. Here, in Anandale, I'm not aware of any credentialing office for the parade. So was I credentialed? Well, I guess that's in the eye of the beholder. When I'm asked for credentials, I produce my cell phone and navigate to my page on ShareBlue (which serves several million pages per day), and, if required, to other places I've been a reporter. But even who is and is not a reporter is something that's difficult to define. Are David Brooks, Sean Hannity, Paul Krugman and Peggy Noonan press? I think so... But they do something different from Lester Holt and Shepard Smith. And what about TMZ? The point is that I report news and people read my stuff. Sometime's I'm credentialed, sometimes I'm not. At this parade, credentials were irrelevant.

Next, the police order: The policeman told me to get out of the road. I complied with his order to get out of the road, immediately. Then the policeman told me to leave the campaign alone. I told him he'd have to arrest me if he expected me to comply with that order. He said he would. Now things started escalating quickly. I told him I was a reporter. He didn't care. Less than a minute later, I was face down on the sidewalk with a bunch of cops on top of me.

Here's the deal: I was there to cover the parade. Anyone remember the First Amendment and the clause about freedom of the press? Ed Gillespie thinks that doesn't apply to him; that he can enlist police to protect him from the press. That's absurd! I've got every bit the same right to public spaces that Gillespie does. We're both equal citizens. The police shouldn't be taking his side or mine - they should simply enforce the laws. And there is nothing illegal about me asking a candidate for governor questions on behalf of my news organization.

I've got more to say, but some work just came across my desk. Evidently, Gillespie called Northern Virginia "enemy territory"... I've got some writing to do. Catch you later.


So, let's reviewed...

You're not actually a credentialed reporter. Do you have credentials on Capitol Hill? With police? With any campaign? The blog used the word "credentials" and said you had "credentials." But all you seem to say is you wrote something on the Web and that makes you a reporter. No, you're not. You're IMPERSONATING a reporter. Please stop calling yourself "press." You're muddying the waters for both Democrats and journalists.

Signed, a Democrat and an actual journalist, credentialed by the House and Senate press galleries, the White House, four federal agencies, three different presidential campaigns, and in my earlier years, five different law enforcement agencies (in different cities). Qualifying for credentials, BTW, generally means fulfilling a set of criteria that asks about financial independence and in the case of the White House undergoing a background check by the Secret Service. There is ACCOUNTABILITY associated with those credentials. You don't just identify yourself as a reporter and navigate on your cell phone to a blog you write.

Should you have been arrested? I don't know. But you do seem rather belligerent and interested in escalating the situation rather than diffusing it. And, in this case, you violated one of the basic tenets of actual journalism: Never make YOURSELF the story.

Anonymous
Post 11/02/2017 16:56     Subject: Shocking behavior from Fairfax County Police Offices

Mike Stark here, the reporter.

I'll address a few different topics that have been raised.

First, media credentials: "credentials" are issued by venues. The House and Senate has a credentialing office called the Gallery. State Houses, concert venues, sports stadiums and other organizations that frequently deal with media will generally establish their own criteria for credentialing. Some cities, like NYC and DC will also issue credentials to press that apply for them, but the vast majority of journalists do not. Most of us work from our desks with our telephone. Here, in Anandale, I'm not aware of any credentialing office for the parade. So was I credentialed? Well, I guess that's in the eye of the beholder. When I'm asked for credentials, I produce my cell phone and navigate to my page on ShareBlue (which serves several million pages per day), and, if required, to other places I've been a reporter. But even who is and is not a reporter is something that's difficult to define. Are David Brooks, Sean Hannity, Paul Krugman and Peggy Noonan press? I think so... But they do something different from Lester Holt and Shepard Smith. And what about TMZ? The point is that I report news and people read my stuff. Sometime's I'm credentialed, sometimes I'm not. At this parade, credentials were irrelevant.

Next, the police order: The policeman told me to get out of the road. I complied with his order to get out of the road, immediately. Then the policeman told me to leave the campaign alone. I told him he'd have to arrest me if he expected me to comply with that order. He said he would. Now things started escalating quickly. I told him I was a reporter. He didn't care. Less than a minute later, I was face down on the sidewalk with a bunch of cops on top of me.

Here's the deal: I was there to cover the parade. Anyone remember the First Amendment and the clause about freedom of the press? Ed Gillespie thinks that doesn't apply to him; that he can enlist police to protect him from the press. That's absurd! I've got every bit the same right to public spaces that Gillespie does. We're both equal citizens. The police shouldn't be taking his side or mine - they should simply enforce the laws. And there is nothing illegal about me asking a candidate for governor questions on behalf of my news organization.

I've got more to say, but some work just came across my desk. Evidently, Gillespie called Northern Virginia "enemy territory"... I've got some writing to do. Catch you later.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2017 10:55     Subject: Shocking behavior from Fairfax County Police Offices

There were lots of other bystanders standing in the road in around the same spot he was in.

Theory-the lady in the pink coat is with the Gillespie campaign. See how the campaign cars were set up to pull into the parade route right where he was standing? She didn't want him shouting out uncomfortable questions at gillepsie and "ruining" his political appearance, so she complained about him to the police.

The bike cop who asked the guy to stop filming was out of line and should be disciplined.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2017 10:45     Subject: Shocking behavior from Fairfax County Police Offices

Fairfax County is run by Democrats, so I am sure they put the word out to the cops to stop journalists from covering Republicans, LOL.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2017 10:18     Subject: Re:Shocking behavior from Fairfax County Police Offices

Stark is no more a journalist than Breitbart or Limbaugh. He's a liberal propagandist.

Here is a less biased take on the incident: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/video-shows-officers-taking-reporter-to-ground-at-event-for-gop-candidate-ed-gillespie-in-virginia/2017/10/31/7ac28f8e-be61-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.3c1709da4a7f

Basically he was trying to record the event by standing in a roadway that would be used by the parade. He was asked to step out of the roadway. He used foul language in response. After more than one request, he finally backed up, but continued to resist the police and use foul language. He was warned not to continue using foul language and to cooperate. He shouted one more expletive and was then arrested for public disturbance and resisting arrest. His own description of the arrest was “It was unnecessary, unlawful and violent, but not brutal.”
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2017 10:13     Subject: Re:Shocking behavior from Fairfax County Police Offices

Anonymous wrote:Don't be shocked: Google Natasha McKenna, and John Greer.


+1

TONS of precedent on FCPD problems. 6, then 8 police officers, then the bike cops trying to block the cameras out, then the bike cops telling them to leave because their "job is hard enough" - wonder why? Maybe they should retrain. More cameras than cops were present, fortunately. The guy said he is an attorney. I hope he is, but if he isn't, this case should be extremely easy for any attorney - but I do hope he goes big.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2017 10:03     Subject: Shocking behavior from Fairfax County Police Offices

Typical.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2017 09:27     Subject: Shocking behavior from Fairfax County Police Offices

I thought police were trained to diffuse situations like this.