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Anonymous

09/30/2017 21:16 Subject: Possible Asbergers

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Anonymous wrote:If the therapist think he doesn't have it, then they can work on developing his weak areas.

A diagnosis won't do anything anyway.

Kids learn social skills from their peers not therapists.

Maybe toddlers.
This is an older child. My son benefitted a lot from the therapist discussing these things.

Doesn't matter the age of the child. This is based on research.

Not if you have autism -- that's kind of the point. Kids (and adults) with autism don't pick up/notice the subtle social cues through which everyone else learns social skills intuitively, through their peers. So they need an adult to teach them the basics -- explicitly -- and then facilitate peer interactions, pointing out expected and unexpected behavior.

No, it doesn't matter the diagnosis. Kids learn social skills from their peers--that's why they invented social skills groups for the kids who have a hard time with this.

They need the adult to teach and facilitate the skills and peers for practicing the skills. If they just magically learned from their peers (as typically developing children do), they wouldn't need social skills classes (run by trained adults). Some kids, before they can begin practicing social skills with other peers, need to practice with just adults (who are better than kids at changing their reactions to fit what's needed in a particular situation).

Anonymous

09/30/2017 20:54 Subject: Possible Asbergers

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the therapist think he doesn't have it, then they can work on developing his weak areas.

A diagnosis won't do anything anyway.

Kids learn social skills from their peers not therapists.

Maybe toddlers.
This is an older child. My son benefitted a lot from the therapist discussing these things.

Doesn't matter the age of the child. This is based on research.

Not if you have autism -- that's kind of the point. Kids (and adults) with autism don't pick up/notice the subtle social cues through which everyone else learns social skills intuitively, through their peers. So they need an adult to teach them the basics -- explicitly -- and then facilitate peer interactions, pointing out expected and unexpected behavior.

No, it doesn't matter the diagnosis. Kids learn social skills from their peers--that's why they invented social skills groups for the kids who have a hard time with this.

What do think they do in a social skills group?

Anonymous

09/30/2017 20:53 Subject: Possible Asbergers

Anonymous wrote:Yes, statistician - you are lumping people with all levels of ASD together and making no distinction between mildly and severely affected individuals.

Also the statistician doesn't understand the difference 0% and 16%.

Anonymous

09/30/2017 20:36 Subject: Possible Asbergers

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a functional adult, you don't have Asperger's.

Absolutely false.

Many thriving adults have Asperger's. You might want to try reading an article about the condition before you post on DCUM.

Unfortunately, the statistics just don't back that up. The social skills required for jobs and relationships are very challenging for those with autism.

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2017/09/how_autism_complicates_the_path_to_employment.html

Autistic adults may very well be the most disadvantaged disability group in the American workplace. Only 14 percent of adults with autism held paid jobs in their communities, according to one May report from Drexel University’s Autism Institute (the report looked just at those who had received state developmental disabilities services).

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/30/health/irpt-autism-in-the-workplace/index.html

Becky Ketts, the director of rehabilitation services at Nobis Works, finds jobs for people on the autism spectrum while they go through the organization's training program. These training programs last anywhere from three months to a year, and teach everything from anger management to customer service.
These "soft skills" are essential for success in the workplace, Ketts explains, especially for those with autism disorders.
"Even the thought of interviewing for a job can be overwhelming for someone on the autism spectrum. That is such an intimate setting. That alone can keep people from finding a job," Ketts said.

https://www.theguardian.com/tmi/2016/oct/27/11-shocking-statistics-about-autism-and-employment
Fewer than one in six autistic adults are in full-time employment

Under 16% of survey participants have full-time paid work. This figure has hardly changed since 2007, when a previous National Autistic Society survey put the figure at 15%.[1]

A further one in six have part-time work

The survey finds that 16% are in part-time employment. This, at least, is an improvement on 2007, when that figure was 9%.[1]

In all, less than a third of autistic adults have any kind of paid work

Only 32% are in some kind of paid work, compared with 47% of disabled people and 80% of non-disabled people.[2]

OK Mr/Ms Statistics, are those percentage for individuals with HFA and above average intelligence - or just all individuals with ASD? Ever been to Ivymount and seen the difference between kids in the 3 programs? OP was talking about a kid who would be likely eligible for MAP. Your statistics are not very meaningful without more information.

Anonymous

09/30/2017 20:27 Subject: Possible Asbergers

Yes, statistician - you are lumping people with all levels of ASD together and making no distinction between mildly and severely affected individuals.

Anonymous

09/30/2017 19:45 Subject: Possible Asbergers

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the therapist think he doesn't have it, then they can work on developing his weak areas.

A diagnosis won't do anything anyway.

Kids learn social skills from their peers not therapists.

Maybe toddlers.
This is an older child. My son benefitted a lot from the therapist discussing these things.

Doesn't matter the age of the child. This is based on research.

Not if you have autism -- that's kind of the point. Kids (and adults) with autism don't pick up/notice the subtle social cues through which everyone else learns social skills intuitively, through their peers. So they need an adult to teach them the basics -- explicitly -- and then facilitate peer interactions, pointing out expected and unexpected behavior.

No, it doesn't matter the diagnosis. Kids learn social skills from their peers--that's why they invented social skills groups for the kids who have a hard time with this.

Anonymous

09/30/2017 13:53 Subject: Possible Asbergers

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the therapist think he doesn't have it, then they can work on developing his weak areas.

A diagnosis won't do anything anyway.

Kids learn social skills from their peers not therapists.

Maybe toddlers.
This is an older child. My son benefitted a lot from the therapist discussing these things.

Doesn't matter the age of the child. This is based on research.

Not if you have autism -- that's kind of the point. Kids (and adults) with autism don't pick up/notice the subtle social cues through which everyone else learns social skills intuitively, through their peers. So they need an adult to teach them the basics -- explicitly -- and then facilitate peer interactions, pointing out expected and unexpected behavior.

Anonymous

09/30/2017 13:42 Subject: Possible Asbergers

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Anonymous wrote:Blurting out and poor social skills would be ADHD.

Saying inappropriate things or writing (or talking) in a stilted manner, and communicating in the same way to everyone, regardless of whether they are children or adults, is a sign of Asperger's.

My son has ADHD and Asperger's and has all the signs above. He talks like a little Professor, even to the toddlers. He sometimes writes in a very convoluted and weird way.

My son has ASD w/o intellectual disability (in fact is gifted, so Asperger's type although that didn't exist in the DSM any more when we got the diagnosis). He doesn't speak in a stilted manner or the same way all the time.

If you've met one person with autism, you've met one person with autism.

Stand down, PP. the poster said it's "a sign," not that everyone on the spectrum talks this way.

Jeepers,

1) was just letting OP it's not always that way; and
2) Aspergers is no longer diagnosed. It's not in the DSM anymore.

Exactly. I am the first poster quoted, and a scientist with a family full of Aspergy types, and was drawing general lines to help OP.
Asperger's is usually diagnosed in children or adults with average to above average IQs, in case you didn't know.

Anonymous

09/29/2017 22:36 Subject: Possible Asbergers

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blurting out and poor social skills would be ADHD.

Saying inappropriate things or writing (or talking) in a stilted manner, and communicating in the same way to everyone, regardless of whether they are children or adults, is a sign of Asperger's.

My son has ADHD and Asperger's and has all the signs above. He talks like a little Professor, even to the toddlers. He sometimes writes in a very convoluted and weird way.

My son has ASD w/o intellectual disability (in fact is gifted, so Asperger's type although that didn't exist in the DSM any more when we got the diagnosis). He doesn't speak in a stilted manner or the same way all the time.

If you've met one person with autism, you've met one person with autism.

Stand down, PP. the poster said it's "a sign," not that everyone on the spectrum talks this way.

Exactly. I am the first poster quoted, and a scientist with a family full of Aspergy types, and was drawing general lines to help OP.
Asperger's is usually diagnosed in children or adults with average to above average IQs, in case you didn't know.

Anonymous

09/29/2017 22:29 Subject: Possible Asbergers

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blurting out and poor social skills would be ADHD.

Saying inappropriate things or writing (or talking) in a stilted manner, and communicating in the same way to everyone, regardless of whether they are children or adults, is a sign of Asperger's.

My son has ADHD and Asperger's and has all the signs above. He talks like a little Professor, even to the toddlers. He sometimes writes in a very convoluted and weird way.

My son has ASD w/o intellectual disability (in fact is gifted, so Asperger's type although that didn't exist in the DSM any more when we got the diagnosis). He doesn't speak in a stilted manner or the same way all the time.

If you've met one person with autism, you've met one person with autism.

Stand down, PP. the poster said it's "a sign," not that everyone on the spectrum talks this way.

Anonymous

09/29/2017 20:08 Subject: Possible Asbergers

Anonymous wrote:If you are a functional adult, you don't have Asperger's.

Absolutely false.

Aspergers is not a diagnosis anymore. Anyone with mild to even moderate autism can be highly functional and have a good life. It impacts everyone differently.