Actually, UChicago vs Yale is 24:76.

Parchment is a good tool to see how schools do cross-admit wise. It's especially accurate when you look at schools in the same tier (so UChicago vs Yale would be representative, where as UChicago vs Penn State might not).

http://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Chicago&with=Yale+University

This tool says a lot. HYPSM win against pretty much everyone else. However, Williams does not win so readily against other LACs- more go to Swarthmore and Pomona. In essence, HYPMS are really in a tier of their own, but Williams and Amherst aren't so much higher than other top LACs.

Anonymous wrote:What's the cross-admit like for Yale v Chicago and Stanford v Chicago? I'd bet <1% choose Chicago. And I'd bet 90% choose Dartmouth over Duke. List is stupid.

I mostly agree about the Chicago stuff. Though I could see many people choosing Duke over Dartmouth.

Wake Forest (#27) above Michigan (#28)?

Anonymous wrote:UVA will drop by 5.

False. Still in top 25.

What's the cross-admit like for Yale v Chicago and Stanford v Chicago? I'd bet <1% choose Chicago. And I'd bet 90% choose Dartmouth over Duke. List is stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious to see if there will be any shake-ups in the top 20.

There never are.

Yep. The top 25 this year is exactly the same list of schools (alphabetically) as the top 25 last year.

Actually they kind of rotate in a very predictable way. They give #1 to Yale one year, then to Harvard the next year, then to Stanford, then maybe to Princeton after that (less often to Princeton, but a nod now and then. Columbia, MIT, Chicago and Penn are always fighting it out for the next 4 slots--which will get #5 this year?! It's all meaningless, as a PP explained, and it all hinges on a few average SAT points here or some alumn donations there. Such drama!

Stanford hasn't been above 4 for at least the last 10 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious to see if there will be any shake-ups in the top 20.

There never are.

Yep. The top 25 this year is exactly the same list of schools (alphabetically) as the top 25 last year.

Actually they kind of rotate in a very predictable way. They give #1 to Yale one year, then to Harvard the next year, then to Stanford, then maybe to Princeton after that (less often to Princeton, but a nod now and then. Columbia, MIT, Chicago and Penn are always fighting it out for the next 4 slots--which will get #5 this year?! It's all meaningless, as a PP explained, and it all hinges on a few average SAT points here or some alumn donations there. Such drama!

They're out!

Top 25 National Universities:
1. Princeton
2. Harvard
3. UChicago
3. Yale
5. Columbia
5. MIT
5. Stanford
8. Penn
9. Duke
10. CalTech
11. Dartmouth
12. Johns Hopkins
13. Northwestern
14. Brown
14. Cornell
14. Rice
14. Vanderbilt
18. Notre Dame
18. WashU
20. Georgetown
21. Emory
21. UC Berkeley
21. UCLA
21. USC
25. Carnegie Mellon
25. UVA

Top 25 Liberal Arts Colleges:
1. Williams
2. Amherst
3. Bowdoin
3. Swarthmore
3. Wellesley
6. Middlebury
6. Pomona
8. Carleton
8. Claremont McKenna
10. Davidson
10. Washington & Lee
12. Colby
12. Colgate
12. Harvey Mudd
12. Smith
12. USMA
12. Vassar
18. Grinnell
18. Hamilton
18. Haverford
21. USNA
21. Wesleyan
23. Bates
23. Colorado College
23. URichmond

Anonymous wrote:William and Mary drops a lot.

Reason?

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Anonymous wrote:Curious to see if there will be any shake-ups in the top 20.

There never are.

Yep. The top 25 this year is exactly the same list of schools (alphabetically) as the top 25 last year.

Anonymous wrote:Curious to see if there will be any shake-ups in the top 20.

There never are.

Curious to see if there will be any shake-ups in the top 20.

Anonymous wrote:William and Mary drops a lot.

Maybe I'm judging solely by the caliber of kids going from NOVA, but that's hard to imagine. No connection to WM, but I 't see it.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I'm not really talking about the top 10 colleges; you're right that they consistently excel in most rankings. More referring to statements based almost single-handedly on US News, like "USC is worse than Emory" simply because Emory is in the top 20 and USC is outside of it. Students overwhelmingly pick USC over Emory: http://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Southern+California&with=Emory+University

Students rejected by UCLA and Cal pick USC.

Pretty sure far more of them pick Wisconsin, Indiana, Tulane, Washington, Arizona and Michigan.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I'm not really talking about the top 10 colleges; you're right that they consistently excel in most rankings. More referring to statements based almost single-handedly on US News, like "USC is worse than Emory" simply because Emory is in the top 20 and USC is outside of it. Students overwhelmingly pick USC over Emory: http://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Southern+California&with=Emory+University

Students rejected by UCLA and Cal pick USC.

Definitely true for in-state kids, however I'm not sure out-of-state applicants care that much,

Then they were rejected elsewhere.