Anonymous
09/11/2017 08:34
Subject: Selective colleges are taking fewer from kids Private and Boarding every year and more from public
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is BS. Sorry. Look at the college list for St. Albans or Choate.
And this would tell you what exactly about the subject at hand?
That they still have more than 30% of their class matriculating to Ivy+ schools.
That 30% is only 24 kids, which is in fact fewer than the number of Ivy+ matriculations in the same year from several of the local public schools.
You have to compare percentages, not numbers. Do the local publics have more than 30% of the class going to Ivy+, and close to 50% going to top 20 schools? I think not.
If only you understood statistics or anything about college financing.
- admissions results from the few of the top-most elite privates doesn't make a trend for all privates.
- apples to oranges because many public school kids don't go to 4-year colleges--they apprentice in a trade or go to community college. Why is that? Because many public school families can't afford $25k for an in-state public. Did you know you need a family income below $50k to get Pell grant for low income? Also, not everybody is acedemically onclided, but the private schools you cite have selected specifically for academic potential.
- Many smart public school kids go to non-Ivies because they get generous merit aid at 2nd and 3rd-tier schools. The Ivies by ageeement among themselves don't give out merit aid. Sure, if you get into Harvard they will cover tuition for family incomes up to maybe $150k--but not every kid can get into Harvard.
- Many families and their kids are smart enough to not take on $100k in student debt. So they go to an in-state university or lower-tier private university that gives them lots of aid. It's a no-brainer.
I know, shocker that not everybody can pay $40k/year for a private high school and then seemlessly move to being full pay at a $65k college. (Being full pay itself increases admissions chances at many colleges, not the least because you can afford to apply ED or SCEA without having to compare financial aid offers from multiple colleges.)
First of all, we are not talking about all privates, just Choate and STA, as mentioned by the PP.
Secondly, you stated that "only 24 kids" from these schools go to Ivy + schools. You go on to state that "
is in fact fewer than the number of Ivy+ matriculations in the same year from several of the local public schools. "
When confronted with the fact that you need to compare percentages instead of numbers
of students (average class at STA is 80) and the resulting too placements from these *2 schools, you ramble on why there are fewer top placements from area publics. Which is it?
Sorry, but you're as dumb as a brick. I've been on DCUM way too long and this is among the least informed responses I've ever seen. That's saying something.
Apples-to-oranges comparisons? Check. Anecdata about completely unrepresentative privates like STA and Choate? Check. Trying to make your point via smug insults instead of an educated handling of facts? Check.
How could you not understand that "comparing percentages" between public and private schools means talking about factors driving percentages for BOTH groups? Otherwise you're making an apples-to-oranges comparison that I hope even you can see is laughable. I gave factors driving public school results (my kids have been in public and private schools). A different PP pointed out that Choate and STA have a disproportionate number of legacies and wealthy kids, so the comparison with publics--and make no mistake, that's your goal here-- is completely bogus.
Also, when did this become a thread about Choate and STA? OP's thread title says "public and private and boarding". Not just two extremely elite schools vs. everybody else.
You're also confusing posters. I didn't post about "only 24 kids from these schools" nor did I make the comparison to publics that you just referred to.
Anonymous
09/11/2017 08:09
Subject: Selective colleges are taking fewer from kids Private and Boarding every year and more from public
That's OK - most of the people here have never cared about a high school football program
Anonymous
09/11/2017 05:58
Subject: Selective colleges are taking fewer from kids Private and Boarding every year and more from public
Where I am from - and for most people who follow college and NFL football - STA is St. Thomas Aquinas H.S., arguably the best high school football program in the whole United States. We've never heard of St. Albans.
Anonymous
09/10/2017 20:06
Subject: Selective colleges are taking fewer from kids Private and Boarding every year and more from public
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is BS. Sorry. Look at the college list for St. Albans or Choate.
And this would tell you what exactly about the subject at hand?
That they still have more than 30% of their class matriculating to Ivy+ schools.
That 30% is only 24 kids, which is in fact fewer than the number of Ivy+ matriculations in the same year from several of the local public schools.
You have to compare percentages, not numbers. Do the local publics have more than 30% of the class going to Ivy+, and close to 50% going to top 20 schools? I think not.
If only you understood statistics or anything about college financing.
- admissions results from the few of the top-most elite privates doesn't make a trend for all privates.
- apples to oranges because many public school kids don't go to 4-year colleges--they apprentice in a trade or go to community college. Why is that? Because many public school families can't afford $25k for an in-state public. Did you know you need a family income below $50k to get Pell grant for low income? Also, not everybody is acedemically onclided, but the private schools you cite have selected specifically for academic potential.
- Many smart public school kids go to non-Ivies because they get generous merit aid at 2nd and 3rd-tier schools. The Ivies by ageeement among themselves don't give out merit aid. Sure, if you get into Harvard they will cover tuition for family incomes up to maybe $150k--but not every kid can get into Harvard.
- Many families and their kids are smart enough to not take on $100k in student debt. So they go to an in-state university or lower-tier private university that gives them lots of aid. It's a no-brainer.
I know, shocker that not everybody can pay $40k/year for a private high school and then seemlessly move to being full pay at a $65k college. (Being full pay itself increases admissions chances at many colleges, not the least because you can afford to apply ED or SCEA without having to compare financial aid offers from multiple colleges.)
First of all, we are not talking about all privates, just Choate and STA, as mentioned by the PP.
Secondly, you stated that "only 24 kids" from these schools go to Ivy + schools. You go on to state that "
is in fact fewer than the number of Ivy+ matriculations in the same year from several of the local public schools. "
When confronted with the fact that you need to compare percentages instead of numbers
of students (average class at STA is 80) and the resulting too placements from these *2 schools, you ramble on why there are fewer top placements from area publics. Which is it?
Anonymous
09/10/2017 10:37
Subject: Selective colleges are taking fewer from kids Private and Boarding every year and more from public
Anonymous wrote:This is BS. Sorry. Look at the college list for St. Albans or Choate.
Those kids are full pay are quite possibly legacies. Do you really think these kids wouldn't have the same results coming from public?
Anonymous
09/10/2017 10:37
Subject: Selective colleges are taking fewer from kids Private and Boarding every year and more from public
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:according to my consultant (who used to do admissions at a top 3). She said it's bc enrollment management analyzes metrics (she wouldn't say specifically but said it's more than just grades) but professors and TAs are involved and so are resident advisors and that's part of the reason it's getting harder and harder to get in. She also said that going to a non-brand public is better than going to a big name public.
What is a non-brand public? What is a big name public?
A big-name public is a well-known magnet (TJ, Blair) or IB program (Montgomery Blair, there are 1-2 in VA but I'm forgetting the name). Admission is by testing in and they reject lots of applicants (although BCC also has a good reputation and to enter you need to be in-bounds and have, I'm not sure, but it's something like a B or B+ average). Teachers are extremely well-qualified in terms of their own education and teaching ability. Somebody (USAA or the Post?) ranks high schools and although people can and do quibble about the ranking methodology, any high school near the top of their list probably qualifies as "big name."
Anonymous
09/10/2017 10:31
Subject: Selective colleges are taking fewer from kids Private and Boarding every year and more from public
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is BS. Sorry. Look at the college list for St. Albans or Choate.
And this would tell you what exactly about the subject at hand?
That they still have more than 30% of their class matriculating to Ivy+ schools.
That 30% is only 24 kids, which is in fact fewer than the number of Ivy+ matriculations in the same year from several of the local public schools.
You have to compare percentages, not numbers. Do the local publics have more than 30% of the class going to Ivy+, and close to 50% going to top 20 schools? I think not.
If only you understood statistics or anything about college financing.
- admissions results from the few of the top-most elite privates doesn't make a trend for all privates.
- apples to oranges because many public school kids don't go to 4-year colleges--they apprentice in a trade or go to community college. Why is that? Because many public school families can't afford $25k for an in-state public. Did you know you need a family income below $50k to get Pell grant for low income? Also, not everybody is acedemically onclided, but the private schools you cite have selected specifically for academic potential.
- Many smart public school kids go to non-Ivies because they get generous merit aid at 2nd and 3rd-tier schools. The Ivies by ageeement among themselves don't give out merit aid. Sure, if you get into Harvard they will cover tuition for family incomes up to maybe $150k--but not every kid can get into Harvard.
- Many families and their kids are smart enough to not take on $100k in student debt. So they go to an in-state university or lower-tier private university that gives them lots of aid. It's a no-brainer.
I know, shocker that not everybody can pay $40k/year for a private high school and then seemlessly move to being full pay at a $65k college. (Being full pay itself increases admissions chances at many colleges, not the least because you can afford to apply ED or SCEA without having to compare financial aid offers from multiple colleges.)
Anonymous
09/10/2017 10:12
Subject: Selective colleges are taking fewer from kids Private and Boarding every year and more from public
Anonymous wrote:according to my consultant (who used to do admissions at a top 3). She said it's bc enrollment management analyzes metrics (she wouldn't say specifically but said it's more than just grades) but professors and TAs are involved and so are resident advisors and that's part of the reason it's getting harder and harder to get in. She also said that going to a non-brand public is better than going to a big name public.
What is a non-brand public? What is a big name public?
Anonymous
09/10/2017 09:09
Subject: Selective colleges are taking fewer from kids Private and Boarding every year and more from public
I am 100% positive that RAs are not involved in admission decisions.
I was an RA. This meant I was a student who lived in the dorm with other students, and did things like address noise complaints, mediate roommate drama, and decorate bulletin boards each season. Sometimes we had to call campus police for drug related issues, and occasionally we had to confiscate alcohol. But we were college/grad school kids. We were in no position to become involved in admission decisions, and had nothing to do with the Admissions office.
Anyone who told you that RAs are involved in Admissions is uninformed.
I was an RA. This meant I was a student who lived in the dorm with other students, and did things like address noise complaints, mediate roommate drama, and decorate bulletin boards each season. Sometimes we had to call campus police for drug related issues, and occasionally we had to confiscate alcohol. But we were college/grad school kids. We were in no position to become involved in admission decisions, and had nothing to do with the Admissions office.
Anyone who told you that RAs are involved in Admissions is uninformed.
Anonymous
09/10/2017 09:02
Subject: Selective colleges are taking fewer from kids Private and Boarding every year and more from public
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is BS. Sorry. Look at the college list for St. Albans or Choate.
And this would tell you what exactly about the subject at hand?
That they still have more than 30% of their class matriculating to Ivy+ schools.
That 30% is only 24 kids, which is in fact fewer than the number of Ivy+ matriculations in the same year from several of the local public schools.
You have to compare percentages, not numbers. Do the local publics have more than 30% of the class going to Ivy+, and close to 50% going to top 20 schools? I think not.
Anonymous
09/09/2017 22:43
Subject: Selective colleges are taking fewer from kids Private and Boarding every year and more from public
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is BS. Sorry. Look at the college list for St. Albans or Choate.
And this would tell you what exactly about the subject at hand?
That they still have more than 30% of their class matriculating to Ivy+ schools.
That 30% is only 24 kids, which is in fact fewer than the number of Ivy+ matriculations in the same year from several of the local public schools.
Anonymous
09/09/2017 20:19
Subject: Selective colleges are taking fewer from kids Private and Boarding every year and more from public
I promised I can advise you just as well for at lot less money.
Anonymous
09/09/2017 20:09
Subject: Selective colleges are taking fewer from kids Private and Boarding every year and more from public
Anonymous wrote:A college consultant for a 7th grader? Like, a 12 year old?
God, people are so bizarre.
Poor kids
Anonymous
09/09/2017 18:53
Subject: Re:Selective colleges are taking fewer from kids Private and Boarding every year and more from public
I would expect this to be true for financial reasons alone. Plenty of very talented kids who might have gone to private schools in years past just can't afford it now that tuition is so high.
Anonymous
09/09/2017 18:32
Subject: Selective colleges are taking fewer from kids Private and Boarding every year and more from public
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is BS. Sorry. Look at the college list for St. Albans or Choate.
And this would tell you what exactly about the subject at hand?
That they still have more than 30% of their class matriculating to Ivy+ schools.