Anonymous wrote:I don't think any of that is true. Atheism is a rejection of religion. There are groups that fall under its umbrella and had do have doctrine, like secular humanists or ethical groups.

So I don't see the irony you speak of.

I suspect you are just trolling.

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Im no more trolling than the Atheists here who insert themselves into every thread and try to convince us that there is no God. If you'll be willing to admit that they are trolling, then perhaps I'll say I'm trolling as well. But we both know that won't happen, don't we? Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:They sure like to try to convert you to it - so I'd say yes.

Covert to what? How?

Every atheist I know tries to poke holes in my faith - to me. Why? I can see if they're arguing it on the internet, or in general terms, why try to convert me and destroy my faith if there's isn't a religion?

I mean, we all know it's not a religion, but come on.

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This is what I meant. Every avowed Atheist I've ever encountered has been just as pushy about making me "see the light" as any Evangelical or Jehovah's Wittness I've ever known. It's amazing really. They really are like two side of the same coin. Polar opposites, but of the same circut

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Anonymous wrote:No. There are some religions that fall under an atheist umbrella (certain sects of Buddhism, for example) but aethiesim is explicitly the lack of religion. I am now atheist after having been raised Christian and I do not try to convert people, nor do I talk about my atheism. I find that Christians are the most aggressive about trying to convert people, so I don't know what the pp is talking about.

I don't try to convert anyone. I'm actually silent about my faith, because I know everyone despises it. So I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Different experiences, I guess.

Some, but certainly not all, Christians actively try to convert people. Think about the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses who go door to door.

Never seen atheists doing that.

No, but my atheists friends mock me and try to tear holes in my logic every time I see them - simply because they know I was Christian growing up. Difference experiences...

Mocking you is not converting. They, probably, find that you are easily sucked in into a debate. Some people just like that. It's you and your friends specific dynamics.

Actually, I usually leave in tears once they start. And while mocking isn't converting, try to tear holes in logic is.

If they are truly friends, it seems like they'd stop before you started crying -- or respond to your pleas (assuming you say something) to stop.

Also, trying to tear holes in your logic isn't converting unless it works. If you drop your faith and beliefs based on logical arguments, your faith was obviously not strong enough to withstand logic. That can be seen as a good or bad thing.

One way to avoid the situation is to avoid the friends or ask them not to discuss religion with you. If they are friends worth keeping, despite your different beliefs, I bet they will agree to this.

It's true it isn't "converting" if the object of the attack doesn't actually convert. But it is "proselytizing" for atheism for sure.

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I can see why you argue: logic/reasoning and faith do not mix.

This is an opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:No. There are some religions that fall under an atheist umbrella (certain sects of Buddhism, for example) but aethiesim is explicitly the lack of religion. I am now atheist after having been raised Christian and I do not try to convert people, nor do I talk about my atheism. I find that Christians are the most aggressive about trying to convert people, so I don't know what the pp is talking about.

I suspect that just acknowledging one's atheism and talking about how some religious beliefs aren't factual is perceived by some religious people as proselytizing atheism. This may be because atheists through history have often been quiet about their lack of beliefs, so that any discussion of it seems pushy.

NP.

This is pure BS. The "just trying to poke holes in the illogical parts of your faith" is absolutely proselytizing, and you can see it every day on DCUM. Why otherwise are you so interested in somebody else's faith that you have to "show them the holes."?

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Anonymous wrote:No. There are some religions that fall under an atheist umbrella (certain sects of Buddhism, for example) but aethiesim is explicitly the lack of religion. I am now atheist after having been raised Christian and I do not try to convert people, nor do I talk about my atheism. I find that Christians are the most aggressive about trying to convert people, so I don't know what the pp is talking about.

I don't try to convert anyone. I'm actually silent about my faith, because I know everyone despises it. So I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Different experiences, I guess.

Some, but certainly not all, Christians actively try to convert people. Think about the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses who go door to door.

Never seen atheists doing that.

No, but my atheists friends mock me and try to tear holes in my logic every time I see them - simply because they know I was Christian growing up. Difference experiences...

Mocking you is not converting. They, probably, find that you are easily sucked in into a debate. Some people just like that. It's you and your friends specific dynamics.

And maybe they are not trying to tear holes in your logic -- but are pointing out things about your beliefs that you yourself can recognize as not being logical.

Religions in general do not claim to be based on logic, but rather on beliefs and professions of faith.

I disagree. It makes sense to me, and atheism does not.

The problem is, they don't want to hear my logic or my reasoning.

I can see why you argue: logic/reasoning and faith do not mix. It's like arguing about liking/disliking certain foods.

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Tears? Friends? How old are all of you?

Late 30's. I just don't have many friends (move a lot), so I cling onto the ones I do have.

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Anonymous wrote:No. There are some religions that fall under an atheist umbrella (certain sects of Buddhism, for example) but aethiesim is explicitly the lack of religion. I am now atheist after having been raised Christian and I do not try to convert people, nor do I talk about my atheism. I find that Christians are the most aggressive about trying to convert people, so I don't know what the pp is talking about.

I don't try to convert anyone. I'm actually silent about my faith, because I know everyone despises it. So I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Different experiences, I guess.

Some, but certainly not all, Christians actively try to convert people. Think about the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses who go door to door.

Never seen atheists doing that.

No, but my atheists friends mock me and try to tear holes in my logic every time I see them - simply because they know I was Christian growing up. Difference experiences...

Mocking you is not converting. They, probably, find that you are easily sucked in into a debate. Some people just like that. It's you and your friends specific dynamics.

Actually, I usually leave in tears once they start. And while mocking isn't converting, try to tear holes in logic is.

Tears? Friends? How old are all of you?

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Anonymous wrote:No. There are some religions that fall under an atheist umbrella (certain sects of Buddhism, for example) but aethiesim is explicitly the lack of religion. I am now atheist after having been raised Christian and I do not try to convert people, nor do I talk about my atheism. I find that Christians are the most aggressive about trying to convert people, so I don't know what the pp is talking about.

I don't try to convert anyone. I'm actually silent about my faith, because I know everyone despises it. So I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Different experiences, I guess.

Some, but certainly not all, Christians actively try to convert people. Think about the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses who go door to door.

Never seen atheists doing that.

No, but my atheists friends mock me and try to tear holes in my logic every time I see them - simply because they know I was Christian growing up. Difference experiences...

Mocking you is not converting. They, probably, find that you are easily sucked in into a debate. Some people just like that. It's you and your friends specific dynamics.

Actually, I usually leave in tears once they start. And while mocking isn't converting, try to tear holes in logic is.

If they are truly friends, it seems like they'd stop before you started crying -- or respond to your pleas (assuming you say something) to stop.

Also, trying to tear holes in your logic isn't converting unless it works. If you drop your faith and beliefs based on logical arguments, your faith was obviously not strong enough to withstand logic. That can be seen as a good or bad thing.

One way to avoid the situation is to avoid the friends or ask them not to discuss religion with you. If they are friends worth keeping, despite your different beliefs, I bet they will agree to this.

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Anonymous wrote:No. There are some religions that fall under an atheist umbrella (certain sects of Buddhism, for example) but aethiesim is explicitly the lack of religion. I am now atheist after having been raised Christian and I do not try to convert people, nor do I talk about my atheism. I find that Christians are the most aggressive about trying to convert people, so I don't know what the pp is talking about.

I don't try to convert anyone. I'm actually silent about my faith, because I know everyone despises it. So I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Different experiences, I guess.

Some, but certainly not all, Christians actively try to convert people. Think about the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses who go door to door.

Never seen atheists doing that.

No, but my atheists friends mock me and try to tear holes in my logic every time I see them - simply because they know I was Christian growing up. Difference experiences...

Mocking you is not converting. They, probably, find that you are easily sucked in into a debate. Some people just like that. It's you and your friends specific dynamics.

And maybe they are not trying to tear holes in your logic -- but are pointing out things about your beliefs that you yourself can recognize as not being logical.

Religions in general do not claim to be based on logic, but rather on beliefs and professions of faith.

I disagree. It makes sense to me, and atheism does not.

The problem is, they don't want to hear my logic or my reasoning.

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Anonymous wrote:No. There are some religions that fall under an atheist umbrella (certain sects of Buddhism, for example) but aethiesim is explicitly the lack of religion. I am now atheist after having been raised Christian and I do not try to convert people, nor do I talk about my atheism. I find that Christians are the most aggressive about trying to convert people, so I don't know what the pp is talking about.

I don't try to convert anyone. I'm actually silent about my faith, because I know everyone despises it. So I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Different experiences, I guess.

Some, but certainly not all, Christians actively try to convert people. Think about the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses who go door to door.

Never seen atheists doing that.

No, but my atheists friends mock me and try to tear holes in my logic every time I see them - simply because they know I was Christian growing up. Difference experiences...

Mocking you is not converting. They, probably, find that you are easily sucked in into a debate. Some people just like that. It's you and your friends specific dynamics.

And maybe they are not trying to tear holes in your logic -- but are pointing out things about your beliefs that you yourself can recognize as not being logical.

Religions in general do not claim to be based on logic, but rather on beliefs and professions of faith.

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Anonymous wrote:No. There are some religions that fall under an atheist umbrella (certain sects of Buddhism, for example) but aethiesim is explicitly the lack of religion. I am now atheist after having been raised Christian and I do not try to convert people, nor do I talk about my atheism. I find that Christians are the most aggressive about trying to convert people, so I don't know what the pp is talking about.

I don't try to convert anyone. I'm actually silent about my faith, because I know everyone despises it. So I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Different experiences, I guess.

Some, but certainly not all, Christians actively try to convert people. Think about the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses who go door to door.

Never seen atheists doing that.

No, but my atheists friends mock me and try to tear holes in my logic every time I see them - simply because they know I was Christian growing up. Difference experiences...

Mocking you is not converting. They, probably, find that you are easily sucked in into a debate. Some people just like that. It's you and your friends specific dynamics.

Actually, I usually leave in tears once they start. And while mocking isn't converting, try to tear holes in logic is.

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Anonymous wrote:No. There are some religions that fall under an atheist umbrella (certain sects of Buddhism, for example) but aethiesim is explicitly the lack of religion. I am now atheist after having been raised Christian and I do not try to convert people, nor do I talk about my atheism. I find that Christians are the most aggressive about trying to convert people, so I don't know what the pp is talking about.

I don't try to convert anyone. I'm actually silent about my faith, because I know everyone despises it. So I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Different experiences, I guess.

Some, but certainly not all, Christians actively try to convert people. Think about the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses who go door to door.

Never seen atheists doing that.

No, but my atheists friends mock me and try to tear holes in my logic every time I see them - simply because they know I was Christian growing up. Difference experiences...

Mocking you is not converting. They, probably, find that you are easily sucked in into a debate. Some people just like that. It's you and your friends specific dynamics.

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Anonymous wrote:No. There are some religions that fall under an atheist umbrella (certain sects of Buddhism, for example) but aethiesim is explicitly the lack of religion. I am now atheist after having been raised Christian and I do not try to convert people, nor do I talk about my atheism. I find that Christians are the most aggressive about trying to convert people, so I don't know what the pp is talking about.

I don't try to convert anyone. I'm actually silent about my faith, because I know everyone despises it. So I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Different experiences, I guess.

Some, but certainly not all, Christians actively try to convert people. Think about the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses who go door to door.

Never seen atheists doing that.

No, but my atheists friends mock me and try to tear holes in my logic every time I see them - simply because they know I was Christian growing up. Difference experiences...

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Anonymous wrote:No. There are some religions that fall under an atheist umbrella (certain sects of Buddhism, for example) but aethiesim is explicitly the lack of religion. I am now atheist after having been raised Christian and I do not try to convert people, nor do I talk about my atheism. I find that Christians are the most aggressive about trying to convert people, so I don't know what the pp is talking about.

I don't try to convert anyone. I'm actually silent about my faith, because I know everyone despises it. So I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Different experiences, I guess.

Some, but certainly not all, Christians actively try to convert people. Think about the Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses who go door to door.

Never seen atheists doing that.