Anonymous wrote:Anyone have one of those kids that everybody assumed would be in AAP from an early age and then he or she did not get in? I am afraid (based on NNAT score) that is going to be my kid.

Happened to us. Fast forward a few years and she is in advanced math (in language immersion) and level III and doing great. I was frustrated at the time but it has all turned out fine.

Sorry, hard to see 8 parents divulging specific scores on TWO tests to you taken a year apart. Unless...you also are a Wisc administerer.

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WHile I agree the OP should relax, to be fair, you can't know TONS of people this has happened to, unless you're counting "knowing" those that post on these boards. After all, in all honesty, how many kids do you know where you know all three of their scores (cogat, nnat and gbrs) in order to make this statement? I could see A parent or two telling you GENERALLY, "Johnny didn't do so great on the NNAT but did much better on the cogat," etc, but tons of people disclosing all three of their kids' scores to you? Nah - not happening.

I don't know the GBRS of any of them, but I assume it must have been high to compensate for the not so great test scores. I'd be really shocked if kids were getting in with 120-ish test scores and a mediocre GBRS. The AART at my kids' school urges anyone who scores a 120+ on either test to apply for AAP, and the overwhelming majority of those kids get in. I'll admit that maybe TONS is an exaggeration, but I do know the test scores for about 8 kids who got in.

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Anonymous wrote:Where do people recommend for WISC testing and how much does it cost?

George Mason does it -- they do both group sessions and one-on-one. Of course the group sessions cost less. You can find other private psychologists who will do it and may give you a more personalized approach.

That doesn't make sense. The WISC is an individual test. They do group for NNAT and Coat, but not for WISC unless they have changed their offerings (which would be a huge concern because WISC is not a group test).

Unless things have changed in the last year, GMU only offers the WISC as an individual test. It's not fully multiple choice or computerized or anything, and they have to explain their answers. It was $380 for the test.

All that being said, OP should probably relax. I know tons of people who scored in the low 120s as their highest score on either the CogAT or NNAT who still got in (with a high GBRS). OP should be more concerned with whether all signs point to a high GBRS.

OP here. I expect a high CogAT, but then, I expected a high NNAT, too. GBRS ... hard to say because I don't know his teacher at all, but if I had to rate him, I'd probably give him a 12. That's comprised of a 4 in every category other than "Exceptional Motivation to Succeed," in which I would give him a 0. Because he really has no motivation to succeed. He is super laid back, which is mostly good, but maybe not for school. Last year he had a number of 3's for the effort grades on his report card (otherwise, all 4's). So maybe that does him in. I guess we wait and see.

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Anonymous wrote:Where do people recommend for WISC testing and how much does it cost?

George Mason does it -- they do both group sessions and one-on-one. Of course the group sessions cost less. You can find other private psychologists who will do it and may give you a more personalized approach.

That doesn't make sense. The WISC is an individual test. They do group for NNAT and Coat, but not for WISC unless they have changed their offerings (which would be a huge concern because WISC is not a group test).

Unless things have changed in the last year, GMU only offers the WISC as an individual test. It's not fully multiple choice or computerized or anything, and they have to explain their answers. It was $380 for the test.

All that being said, OP should probably relax. I know tons of people who scored in the low 120s as their highest score on either the CogAT or NNAT who still got in (with a high GBRS). OP should be more concerned with whether all signs point to a high GBRS.

WHile I agree the OP should relax, to be fair, you can't know TONS of people this has happened to, unless you're counting "knowing" those that post on these boards. After all, in all honesty, how many kids do you know where you know all three of their scores (cogat, nnat and gbrs) in order to make this statement? I could see A parent or two telling you GENERALLY, "Johnny didn't do so great on the NNAT but did much better on the cogat," etc, but tons of people disclosing all three of their kids' scores to you? Nah - not happening.

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Anonymous wrote:Where do people recommend for WISC testing and how much does it cost?

George Mason does it -- they do both group sessions and one-on-one. Of course the group sessions cost less. You can find other private psychologists who will do it and may give you a more personalized approach.

Sorry... they have group tests (not WISC) as well as individual tests (WISC and others). https://cap.gmu.edu/group_testing/overview

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Anonymous wrote:Where do people recommend for WISC testing and how much does it cost?

George Mason does it -- they do both group sessions and one-on-one. Of course the group sessions cost less. You can find other private psychologists who will do it and may give you a more personalized approach.

That doesn't make sense. The WISC is an individual test. They do group for NNAT and Coat, but not for WISC unless they have changed their offerings (which would be a huge concern because WISC is not a group test).

Unless things have changed in the last year, GMU only offers the WISC as an individual test. It's not fully multiple choice or computerized or anything, and they have to explain their answers. It was $380 for the test.

All that being said, OP should probably relax. I know tons of people who scored in the low 120s as their highest score on either the CogAT or NNAT who still got in (with a high GBRS). OP should be more concerned with whether all signs point to a high GBRS.

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Anonymous wrote:Where do people recommend for WISC testing and how much does it cost?

George Mason does it -- they do both group sessions and one-on-one. Of course the group sessions cost less. You can find other private psychologists who will do it and may give you a more personalized approach.

That doesn't make sense. The WISC is an individual test. They do group for NNAT and Coat, but not for WISC unless they have changed their offerings (which would be a huge concern because WISC is not a group test).

Anonymous wrote:Where do people recommend for WISC testing and how much does it cost?

George Mason does it -- they do both group sessions and one-on-one. Of course the group sessions cost less. You can find other private psychologists who will do it and may give you a more personalized approach.

Where do people recommend for WISC testing and how much does it cost?

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Anonymous wrote:what is the NNAT score? DS has a below cutoff NNAT, but one year later, he did exceptionally well in Cogat and is in AAP. You just never know.

NNAT was 122.

My 2nd grader only scored slightly better than yours on the NNAT, but also has a WISC FSIQ just shy of 140. If worrying about AAP is causing you a lot of stress and if you can afford $400, just get the WISC. At least it will either buy you several months of lower anxiety if your DS does well on it, or it will give you a chance to rethink whether or how to approach the AAP application process if he doesn't do well.

+2. OP, I had my kid do the WISC in Dec. of her second grade year because she performed relatively poorly on the NNAT (109), but I perceived that she was intelligent and wanted to know whether I was wasting my time or deluding myself re AAP. She wound up scoring 129 on the WISC and thereafter scored 134 on the COGAT. Her GBRS was 14 or 15 and she was selected for AAP on the first round. The NNAT was an outlier for her.

I have seen many people on this site whose kids performed poorly on the NNAT and went on to score much better on the COGAT and get into AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:what is the NNAT score? DS has a below cutoff NNAT, but one year later, he did exceptionally well in Cogat and is in AAP. You just never know.

NNAT was 122.

My 2nd grader only scored slightly better than yours on the NNAT, but also has a WISC FSIQ just shy of 140. If worrying about AAP is causing you a lot of stress and if you can afford $400, just get the WISC. At least it will either buy you several months of lower anxiety if your DS does well on it, or it will give you a chance to rethink whether or how to approach the AAP application process if he doesn't do well.

+1 besides, WISC may provide insights to your kids learning ability and style, indicating red flags if any.

This. My second grader scored worse than yours on the nnat but got a wisc of over 150. I then breathed easy. CogAT was in the 99% in every section. First grade teacher said that it was the then-first year the NNAT was given on the computer and she thinks it was b/c my kid wasn't on the computer that much at home. I don't know if that is true or not, but trust your gut about who your kid is and do the wisc if it will help your concerns. That said, I see people say things like this on these boards all the time: that he/she just KNOWS his/her kid belongs in AAP. I'm not saying your gut is wrong. I'm just saying that taking the WISC may give you the results you are wishing for but they aren't guaranteed to. I felt silly going for the WISC so early b/c I had to disclose the NNAT to the psychologist. I felt she was rolling her eyes at me like I was THAT parent. After the test, she started showing me a bell curve and where my kid was in terms of other people. I almost cried feeling like, "I KNEW IT" after feeling like WTH happened with the NNAT. The NNAT IS like a weird wakeup call when it is completely opposite to what you're expecting.

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Anonymous wrote:what is the NNAT score? DS has a below cutoff NNAT, but one year later, he did exceptionally well in Cogat and is in AAP. You just never know.

NNAT was 122.

My 2nd grader only scored slightly better than yours on the NNAT, but also has a WISC FSIQ just shy of 140. If worrying about AAP is causing you a lot of stress and if you can afford $400, just get the WISC. At least it will either buy you several months of lower anxiety if your DS does well on it, or it will give you a chance to rethink whether or how to approach the AAP application process if he doesn't do well.

+1 besides, WISC may provide insights to your kids learning ability and style, indicating red flags if any.

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Anonymous wrote:what is the NNAT score? DS has a below cutoff NNAT, but one year later, he did exceptionally well in Cogat and is in AAP. You just never know.

NNAT was 122.

My 2nd grader only scored slightly better than yours on the NNAT, but also has a WISC FSIQ just shy of 140. If worrying about AAP is causing you a lot of stress and if you can afford $400, just get the WISC. At least it will either buy you several months of lower anxiety if your DS does well on it, or it will give you a chance to rethink whether or how to approach the AAP application process if he doesn't do well.

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Anonymous wrote:what is the NNAT score? DS has a below cutoff NNAT, but one year later, he did exceptionally well in Cogat and is in AAP. You just never know.

NNAT was 122.

DS was 123, but his cogat was 145. He has a summer birthday so was really young for his class which means that he was less mature in taking tests. In second grade his was more mature and focused. It is hard not to worry and I was worried too. As other had said, take a WISC if that helps.