Anonymous wrote:My coworker is a lapsed-Catholic turned heathen who worships the old Norse gods. His morals/ethics are very liberal. He meets like-minded people through LARP games and on the Internet, but mostly does solitary practice. He says there isn't much to do beyond sacrifices and he doesn't do those.

A former coworker is a Wiccan and I was shocked how many covens there are in this area. Now I feel like I spot gatherings a few times a year. She said she avoids them, especially if they have male members, because she hates drama. She worships the old Celtic gods and does solitary practice.

What is LARP? I feel like this is something I need to know.

any other pagans on DCUM?

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Anonymous wrote:My coworker is a lapsed-Catholic turned heathen who worships the old Norse gods. His morals/ethics are very liberal. He meets like-minded people through LARP games and on the Internet, but mostly does solitary practice. He says there isn't much to do beyond sacrifices and he doesn't do those.

A former coworker is a Wiccan and I was shocked how many covens there are in this area. Now I feel like I spot gatherings a few times a year. She said she avoids them, especially if they have male members, because she hates drama. She worships the old Celtic gods and does solitary practice.

What strange, sad lives you describe.

NP. It's no different, and no more weird than the rituals and mythologies believed by "modern" religions.

It is completely and absolutely different. This statement says to me that you know nothing about the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Stop being dramatic. Despite what you believe there is no "right" religion. I'm a practicing catholic who attended catholic school most of my life and I'm aware enough to know that religion is a function of humans and who knows what, if any, true religion exists. We just function on faith and it is extremely hypocritical to believe my religion is somehow "better" or "more right" than someone else's religion.

I'm not being dramatic, I'm being factual. Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." How is it "hypocritical" to know that is correct? Do you even know what the word "hypocritical" means?

My ex also told me he was the way, the truth and the life. I filed a restraining order. I guess to each his own.

This thread isn't for arguments about Christianity. This thread has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity.

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Anonymous wrote:My coworker is a lapsed-Catholic turned heathen who worships the old Norse gods. His morals/ethics are very liberal. He meets like-minded people through LARP games and on the Internet, but mostly does solitary practice. He says there isn't much to do beyond sacrifices and he doesn't do those.

A former coworker is a Wiccan and I was shocked how many covens there are in this area. Now I feel like I spot gatherings a few times a year. She said she avoids them, especially if they have male members, because she hates drama. She worships the old Celtic gods and does solitary practice.

What strange, sad lives you describe.

What an odd thing to say. I am a Christian Minister. My Wicca/Pagan friends lead very happy, full lives. One in particular is one of the most spiritually grounded people I've ever know. They are certainly not living "sad lives".

Many fingers pointing to the same moon.....

This is not a Christian belief. You're Unitarian, I presume?

That being said, I have a few Wiccan friends. They're their most supportive of my Christianity, and it's live and let live between us. They are all solitary, though. Never thought to ask why.

That is a very, very Christian belief. It's fundamentalist, evangelicals that have given Christianity a bad name. And no. I'm not Unitarian. I am Episcopalian. Not that it should matter.

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Anonymous wrote:My coworker is a lapsed-Catholic turned heathen who worships the old Norse gods. His morals/ethics are very liberal. He meets like-minded people through LARP games and on the Internet, but mostly does solitary practice. He says there isn't much to do beyond sacrifices and he doesn't do those.

A former coworker is a Wiccan and I was shocked how many covens there are in this area. Now I feel like I spot gatherings a few times a year. She said she avoids them, especially if they have male members, because she hates drama. She worships the old Celtic gods and does solitary practice.

What strange, sad lives you describe.

NP. It's no different, and no more weird than the rituals and mythologies believed by "modern" religions.

It is completely and absolutely different. This statement says to me that you know nothing about the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Stop being dramatic. Despite what you believe there is no "right" religion. I'm a practicing catholic who attended catholic school most of my life and I'm aware enough to know that religion is a function of humans and who knows what, if any, true religion exists. We just function on faith and it is extremely hypocritical to believe my religion is somehow "better" or "more right" than someone else's religion.

I'm not being dramatic, I'm being factual. Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." How is it "hypocritical" to know that is correct? Do you even know what the word "hypocritical" means?

You know that every religion says they are the way, the truth, and the life, right? The ALL say that?

There are some lovely, humble intelligent people of faith. And then there are some who are so ignorant in their bubble it's baffling.

Yes, of course they "all" say that. But only Jesus, factually and historically, came to earth to make it happen.

NP here - I have to say, your ignorance is breathtaking. Wow.

Definitely breathtaking.

I am stunned when religious people are so totally stuck in their bubble that they refuse to even glance through the thin, clear layer before them. I think it shows a lack of faith - rather than one that is strong.

What's breathtaking is that some of you never miss an opportunity to insult others and your posts are otherwise basically devoid of substance. Let's get back to the topic of paganism, shall we? Do you have any opinions on 12:50's erudite and generally amazing post?

Who's insulting anyone? The only post that here that comes close to insulting, is the ignorant and offensive Christian. Not all Christians are ignorant and offensive, but the one who called Pagans "sad" and "strange" certainly is.

We're still waiting for some constrictive comments from you on, you know, paganism.

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Anonymous wrote:My coworker is a lapsed-Catholic turned heathen who worships the old Norse gods. His morals/ethics are very liberal. He meets like-minded people through LARP games and on the Internet, but mostly does solitary practice. He says there isn't much to do beyond sacrifices and he doesn't do those.

A former coworker is a Wiccan and I was shocked how many covens there are in this area. Now I feel like I spot gatherings a few times a year. She said she avoids them, especially if they have male members, because she hates drama. She worships the old Celtic gods and does solitary practice.

What strange, sad lives you describe.

What an odd thing to say. I am a Christian Minister. My Wicca/Pagan friends lead very happy, full lives. One in particular is one of the most spiritually grounded people I've ever know. They are certainly not living "sad lives".

Many fingers pointing to the same moon.....

This is not a Christian belief. You're Unitarian, I presume?

That being said, I have a few Wiccan friends. They're their most supportive of my Christianity, and it's live and let live between us. They are all solitary, though. Never thought to ask why.

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Anonymous wrote:My coworker is a lapsed-Catholic turned heathen who worships the old Norse gods. His morals/ethics are very liberal. He meets like-minded people through LARP games and on the Internet, but mostly does solitary practice. He says there isn't much to do beyond sacrifices and he doesn't do those.

A former coworker is a Wiccan and I was shocked how many covens there are in this area. Now I feel like I spot gatherings a few times a year. She said she avoids them, especially if they have male members, because she hates drama. She worships the old Celtic gods and does solitary practice.

What strange, sad lives you describe.

NP. It's no different, and no more weird than the rituals and mythologies believed by "modern" religions.

It is completely and absolutely different. This statement says to me that you know nothing about the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Stop being dramatic. Despite what you believe there is no "right" religion. I'm a practicing catholic who attended catholic school most of my life and I'm aware enough to know that religion is a function of humans and who knows what, if any, true religion exists. We just function on faith and it is extremely hypocritical to believe my religion is somehow "better" or "more right" than someone else's religion.

I'm not being dramatic, I'm being factual. Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." How is it "hypocritical" to know that is correct? Do you even know what the word "hypocritical" means?

You know that every religion says they are the way, the truth, and the life, right? The ALL say that?

There are some lovely, humble intelligent people of faith. And then there are some who are so ignorant in their bubble it's baffling.

Yes, of course they "all" say that. But only Jesus, factually and historically, came to earth to make it happen.

NP here - I have to say, your ignorance is breathtaking. Wow.

Definitely breathtaking.

I am stunned when religious people are so totally stuck in their bubble that they refuse to even glance through the thin, clear layer before them. I think it shows a lack of faith - rather than one that is strong.

What's breathtaking is that some of you never miss an opportunity to insult others and your posts are otherwise basically devoid of substance. Let's get back to the topic of paganism, shall we? Do you have any opinions on 12:50's erudite and generally amazing post?

Who's insulting anyone? The only post that here that comes close to insulting, is the ignorant and offensive Christian. Not all Christians are ignorant and offensive, but the one who called Pagans "sad" and "strange" certainly is.

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Anonymous wrote:My coworker is a lapsed-Catholic turned heathen who worships the old Norse gods. His morals/ethics are very liberal. He meets like-minded people through LARP games and on the Internet, but mostly does solitary practice. He says there isn't much to do beyond sacrifices and he doesn't do those.

A former coworker is a Wiccan and I was shocked how many covens there are in this area. Now I feel like I spot gatherings a few times a year. She said she avoids them, especially if they have male members, because she hates drama. She worships the old Celtic gods and does solitary practice.

What strange, sad lives you describe.

NP. It's no different, and no more weird than the rituals and mythologies believed by "modern" religions.

It is completely and absolutely different. This statement says to me that you know nothing about the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Stop being dramatic. Despite what you believe there is no "right" religion. I'm a practicing catholic who attended catholic school most of my life and I'm aware enough to know that religion is a function of humans and who knows what, if any, true religion exists. We just function on faith and it is extremely hypocritical to believe my religion is somehow "better" or "more right" than someone else's religion.

I'm not being dramatic, I'm being factual. Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." How is it "hypocritical" to know that is correct? Do you even know what the word "hypocritical" means?

You know that every religion says they are the way, the truth, and the life, right? The ALL say that?

There are some lovely, humble intelligent people of faith. And then there are some who are so ignorant in their bubble it's baffling.

Yes, of course they "all" say that. But only Jesus, factually and historically, came to earth to make it happen.

NP here - I have to say, your ignorance is breathtaking. Wow.

Definitely breathtaking.

I am stunned when religious people are so totally stuck in their bubble that they refuse to even glance through the thin, clear layer before them. I think it shows a lack of faith - rather than one that is strong.

What's breathtaking is that some of you never miss an opportunity to insult others and your posts are otherwise basically devoid of substance. Let's get back to the topic of paganism, shall we? Do you have any opinions on 12:50's erudite and generally amazing post?

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Anonymous wrote:My coworker is a lapsed-Catholic turned heathen who worships the old Norse gods. His morals/ethics are very liberal. He meets like-minded people through LARP games and on the Internet, but mostly does solitary practice. He says there isn't much to do beyond sacrifices and he doesn't do those.

A former coworker is a Wiccan and I was shocked how many covens there are in this area. Now I feel like I spot gatherings a few times a year. She said she avoids them, especially if they have male members, because she hates drama. She worships the old Celtic gods and does solitary practice.

What strange, sad lives you describe.

NP. It's no different, and no more weird than the rituals and mythologies believed by "modern" religions.

It is completely and absolutely different. This statement says to me that you know nothing about the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Stop being dramatic. Despite what you believe there is no "right" religion. I'm a practicing catholic who attended catholic school most of my life and I'm aware enough to know that religion is a function of humans and who knows what, if any, true religion exists. We just function on faith and it is extremely hypocritical to believe my religion is somehow "better" or "more right" than someone else's religion.

I'm not being dramatic, I'm being factual. Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." How is it "hypocritical" to know that is correct? Do you even know what the word "hypocritical" means?

You know that every religion says they are the way, the truth, and the life, right? The ALL say that?

There are some lovely, humble intelligent people of faith. And then there are some who are so ignorant in their bubble it's baffling.

Yes, of course they "all" say that. But only Jesus, factually and historically, came to earth to make it happen.

NP here - I have to say, your ignorance is breathtaking. Wow.

Definitely breathtaking.

I am stunned when religious people are so totally stuck in their bubble that they refuse to even glance through the thin, clear layer before them. I think it shows a lack of faith - rather than one that is strong.

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Anonymous wrote:My coworker is a lapsed-Catholic turned heathen who worships the old Norse gods. His morals/ethics are very liberal. He meets like-minded people through LARP games and on the Internet, but mostly does solitary practice. He says there isn't much to do beyond sacrifices and he doesn't do those.

A former coworker is a Wiccan and I was shocked how many covens there are in this area. Now I feel like I spot gatherings a few times a year. She said she avoids them, especially if they have male members, because she hates drama. She worships the old Celtic gods and does solitary practice.

What strange, sad lives you describe.

NP. It's no different, and no more weird than the rituals and mythologies believed by "modern" religions.

It is completely and absolutely different. This statement says to me that you know nothing about the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Stop being dramatic. Despite what you believe there is no "right" religion. I'm a practicing catholic who attended catholic school most of my life and I'm aware enough to know that religion is a function of humans and who knows what, if any, true religion exists. We just function on faith and it is extremely hypocritical to believe my religion is somehow "better" or "more right" than someone else's religion.

I'm not being dramatic, I'm being factual. Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." How is it "hypocritical" to know that is correct? Do you even know what the word "hypocritical" means?

You know that every religion says they are the way, the truth, and the life, right? The ALL say that?

There are some lovely, humble intelligent people of faith. And then there are some who are so ignorant in their bubble it's baffling.

Yes, of course they "all" say that. But only Jesus, factually and historically, came to earth to make it happen.

NP here - I have to say, your ignorance is breathtaking. Wow.

OP here. If you are pagan are you out as pagan to others?

Can I ask more about your background?

Are you Greek?

Were you raised pagan?

If not, how did you convert?

Does this whole Percy Jackson novel thing annoy you?

If you have kids, do they take religious holidays off school?

I have zero Greek ancestry, but always had a fascination with ancient Greece. I started learning about Goddess centered worship in high school casually, because I thought it was interesting to worship a female divinity. Didn't take any of it too seriously but wasn't satisfied with the Protestant beliefs of my birth. A few years after college I felt a deeper yearning for a sacred connection with something meaningful, and I spent a year re-introducing myself to different Pagan traditions. I started with Wicca, and I liked it but I didn't really feel connected to their religious calendar, like the Sabbats and such.

I also felt like Wicca is really meant to be a mystery school, not a religion. For example, they believe in a God and Goddess but they don't have a personal pantheon of their own, because they are originally a secret occult tradition. Wicca should have stayed in the shadows, in my opinion, because nowadays all kinds of idiots are drawn to it because they think they can get their boyfriend back with a quick spell. They don't know what it takes to go through that initiation process and access real power.

Anyway it wasn't for me. I researched different Pagan philosophies and was attracted to Neoplatonism, Theosophy, certain Eastern philosophies, and a lot of Greek thinkers. I loved Aristotle's treatise on the nature of the soul. I loved how Platonic philosophers wrote about the ennobling effects of Beauty, how it had the capacity to elevate the soul. I resonated strongly with Plotinus, who promoted a form of monism (all Gods merging into One). And just generally, I loved the ancient Greek philosophers. I loved that humanity had this rich heritage of thinking and I was sad that the philosophy of the Greeks had been separated from the religion of the Greeks. I think that is a form of cultural appropriation. You can't have Taoist philosophy without the Taoist Immortals (though Westerners have tried), you can't have yoga without the Indian gods (though Westerners have tried), and you can't fully appreciate Plato, Democritus, Protagoras and Socrates. The same Greeks who wrote the "Republic" also worshipped Hera and Zeus, and visited the oracles of Apollon at Delphi (see "Anabasis" by Xenophon).

When people think of Paganism today, they think of nerdy kids wearing pentacles and chanting in the woods, but Paganism has a long history of intellectual sophistication. The sciences, early medicine and philosophy were invented by Pagans. Pagans literally invented biology. Modern psychology originally had influences from Hindu philosophy (which isn't strictly "Pagan", mostly because the term Pagan has historically been used as a slur, but Hinduism is one of the few original Pagan religions to survive intact into modernity and is a good example of what modern Greek Paganism would have looked like if it hadn't been shattered.) People just don't know that the ancient Greek philosophers were Pagans because later European writers, who had a Christian bias, erased all references to polytheism. So you don't know that Plato praised Eros, the God of Love, or that he wrote in his Laws: "If a good man sacrifices to the Gods and keeps Them constant company in his prayers and offerings and every kind of worship he can give Them, this will be the best and noblest policy he can follow; it is the conduct that fits his character as nothing else can, and it is his most effective way of achieving a happy life."

I actually fell in love with Athena through pop culture. I loved the TV show Xena: Warrior Princess as a kid and I also loved the superhero Wonder Woman. Both Xena and Wonder Woman are modern fantasy characters, but they are also basically Greek demi-goddesses and strongly remind me of Athena. It was through them that I found the actual Goddess Athena and fell in love with everything She represents, upholds, and awakens within me. I serve the other Deities too, but Athena is at the center of my heart. The philosophy side of my religious life is intellectual, but my relationship with Athena is purely heart-centered and devotional.

I don't mind the Percy Jackson novels, but the author has been snide about the revival of Hellenic religion. So I don't have a particularly high opinion about the author. I don't mind if people get some secular enjoyment out of novels based on my Gods. I'm not married and don't have any kids, but if I did, I would raise them in a liberal, religious household. They are free to think for themselves, and in fact anyone who follows any belief system should think critically about it, but I hope I could introduce a healthy practice of Hellenic worship and philosophy into their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:My coworker is a lapsed-Catholic turned heathen who worships the old Norse gods. His morals/ethics are very liberal. He meets like-minded people through LARP games and on the Internet, but mostly does solitary practice. He says there isn't much to do beyond sacrifices and he doesn't do those.

A former coworker is a Wiccan and I was shocked how many covens there are in this area. Now I feel like I spot gatherings a few times a year. She said she avoids them, especially if they have male members, because she hates drama. She worships the old Celtic gods and does solitary practice.

What strange, sad lives you describe.

NP. It's no different, and no more weird than the rituals and mythologies believed by "modern" religions.

It is completely and absolutely different. This statement says to me that you know nothing about the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Stop being dramatic. Despite what you believe there is no "right" religion. I'm a practicing catholic who attended catholic school most of my life and I'm aware enough to know that religion is a function of humans and who knows what, if any, true religion exists. We just function on faith and it is extremely hypocritical to believe my religion is somehow "better" or "more right" than someone else's religion.

I'm not being dramatic, I'm being factual. Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." How is it "hypocritical" to know that is correct? Do you even know what the word "hypocritical" means?

You know that every religion says they are the way, the truth, and the life, right? The ALL say that?

There are some lovely, humble intelligent people of faith. And then there are some who are so ignorant in their bubble it's baffling.

Yes, of course they "all" say that. But only Jesus, factually and historically, came to earth to make it happen.

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Anonymous wrote:What are your beliefs? Where do you go to meet other pagans?

I worship the Greek pantheon of Gods, the Olympians, and consider myself a Neoplatonist with Hindu and Theosophy influences. Some of my beliefs:

- I believe in the reality and existence of many Gods and Goddesses, but believe They come from one Source.

- I primarily worship Athena Nike, my divine mother. Athena is the Goddess of learning, wisdom, war and the arts. I love Her.

- I believe that these Gods are loving, benevolent, and care about humanity. In fact, Plato and Socrates disagree with Homer's depiction of the Greek Gods (Homer makes Them seem a bit petty; Plato and Socrates didn't agree with this characterization). They have consistently answered my prayers and I know my opinions, worries and general musings are always being heard. They demand nothing from me in return except that I live a life of kindness, compassion, honesty, gentleness and charity.

- I don't perform sacrifices, and in general I don't do ceremonies with other Hellenes. I'm a solitary practitioner.

- My favorite devotional activity is mindfully scrubbing and cleaning my home. There's no point in having a beautiful household altar with beautiful offerings to the Gods if you can't keep every inch of your house spotless. I consider this a devotional activity because 1) the Gods are being invited into your home, and cleanliness is hospitality, and 2) a completely dust-free home raises the vibration better than incense and candles, and you have a more pure space to say your prayers.

Can I ask more about your background?

Are you Greek?

Were you raised pagan?

If not, how did you convert?

Does this whole Percy Jackson novel thing annoy you?

If you have kids, do they take religious holidays off school?