If the parents are preventing you from having contact with the child as a way to protect the child, then I see no reason to second guess that choice. Too often grandparents try to destroy a marriage and yet demand to keep the spoils. For the children’s sake you should not try to complicate their lives by demanding a pound of their flesh. Stay out of the mess.

Are you trying to gain visits or stop visits?

If it's your child that has the supervised visits then that will be difficult. Can you go on the supervised visits with them?
Or become the supervisor?
Do you get along with the custodial parent?

Anonymous wrote:What are your thoughts on this:

If a father (or even a mother) have issues such as unsavory lifestyle and have supervised visits with their children, or if one parent lives far away and has infrequent visits (like summer) BUT has local (to the primary parent) grandparents, how much "right" do the grandparents have to scheduled frequent visits with grandchildren?

Your first sentence makes it sound like there is CPS involvement and that the parent is getting supervised visits. Do the children live with either parent?

BTDT. If you are in Maryland, I have a lawyer recommendation for you.

I struggle with this question. As it stands, my daughter spends every other holiday with her dad, so one year she's with him at Thanksgiving and the next year at Christmas. They spend that time with his parents, who I like. If something happened to my ex, I would be happy to give them frequent visits (as I do now) but I can't say that I would still give them every other Christmas. That would be pretty much the only advantage of losing him - gaining the holidays.

There was a rift between my parents and grandmother.

I made an effort to see my grandmother when I had a car, and we spoke when I was in college.
The rift got worse.

When I contacted her again in my early 20s to try to establish a relationship, she wanted to trash my parents.
My parents are not perfect, but I navigated that.

When she wanted to remind me of all of their faults to prove she was right, I also stopped talking to her.
I seemed like she really wanted to be right more than she wanted to have a relationship with me, and that hurt, so I didn't do it.

Keep that in mind as you make a case against your own children.

Zippo rights for grandparents

Funny, I thought about grandparents rights when I heard about that judge in Hawaii bent on pissing off DOJ. Immediate relatives are clearly defined by law and don't include grandparents. Methinks it was some sh*tty lawyering on DOJ's part to define relationships as "meaningful." Should've gone with INA, but I digress...

I bet most of you advocate inclusion of Syrian etc grandparents in the IR category. It's interesting how you hate on American grannies so much LOL

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Anonymous wrote:Might end up doing like we are doing. Waiting for the kids to start asking and calling. And they will.

Then when they reach adulthood we will tell them why we were robbed of seeing them during the young years. We have recordings to back it up too.

You record your conversations with your children to use against the later?

I can't imagine why they don't want to have anything to do with you.

Yeah, telling your grandkids that you are sorry that you weren't able to have a close relationship with them growing up, but trashing their parents isn't going to win you any love.

DP. If the parents are trash, than trashing them is simply factual.

Some states allow for grandparent visitation, but the circumstances are extremely narrow, and the fights are VERY hard to win.

As others have said, it depends on the jurisdiction. My aunt was able to go to court in NY and gain bi-weekly visits with her grandson, but once her daughter moved back in with her, the visits were revoked.

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Anonymous wrote:What are your thoughts on this:

If a father (or even a mother) have issues such as unsavory lifestyle and have supervised visits with their children, or if one parent lives far away and has infrequent visits (like summer) BUT has local (to the primary parent) grandparents, how much "right" do the grandparents have to scheduled frequent visits with grandchildren?

What is an "unsavory lifestyle"? Just because you don't approve of something doesn't mean it's inappropriate.

I was reading this as drugs, alcohol or abandonment.

Anonymous wrote:What are your thoughts on this:

If a father (or even a mother) have issues such as unsavory lifestyle and have supervised visits with their children, or if one parent lives far away and has infrequent visits (like summer) BUT has local (to the primary parent) grandparents, how much "right" do the grandparents have to scheduled frequent visits with grandchildren?

What is an "unsavory lifestyle"? Just because you don't approve of something doesn't mean it's inappropriate.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Might end up doing like we are doing. Waiting for the kids to start asking and calling. And they will.

Then when they reach adulthood we will tell them why we were robbed of seeing them during the young years. We have recordings to back it up too.

You record your conversations with your children to use against the later?

I can't imagine why they don't want to have anything to do with you.

Yeah, telling your grandkids that you are sorry that you weren't able to have a close relationship with them growing up, but trashing their parents isn't going to win you any love.