Anonymous wrote:How is it somehow ok for all these posters to say to LIE on a college application form. If you are Asian say Asian, if you are mixed use mixed, how can you lie? As a white person, heck I will just check Hispanic or black as 2 percent of the 23andme came back as other. This is unreal that people are lying on college forms to game the admissions. This must be why trump is looking into changes.

At least when I applied, there was no mixed option for race.

How is it somehow ok for all these posters to say to LIE on a college application form. If you are Asian say Asian, if you are mixed use mixed, how can you lie? As a white person, heck I will just check Hispanic or black as 2 percent of the 23andme came back as other. This is unreal that people are lying on college forms to game the admissions. This must be why trump is looking into changes.

I'm half Asian and half white. When I applied to universities, I looked up their race statistics and picked the race based on that. So in PP's example where a campus is 40% Asian, I'd definitely choose white. However some schools, especially in the midwest, are really white so being Asian can help there.

Anonymous wrote:TJ parent of a white kid. Choose white or mixed/ other.

Asian kids are absolutely held to higher GPA/ SAT standards because of quotas. Especially at higher ranked colleges, and especially in STEM.

Look at the admission stats/ class composition for Cal Tech (which by law is race blind) and MIT. Similar rankings.

Cal Tech is 42% Asian and 29% white.

https://www.registrar.caltech.edu/academics/enrollment

MIT, which s "holistic" and not race blind is 35% white and 26% Asian.

So unless admissions are race blind-- not Asian.


https://www.registrar.caltech.edu/academics/enrollment

Meaningless numbers. Whites are about 72% or the population and Asians are around 5%. It would stand to reason that there would be a greater percentage of Caucasians that Asians.

We worked with a college advisor who had previously been head of admissions at two elite schools. He said never leave it blank as you will be treated as caucasian and that you are better off choosing Asian over blank.

TJ parent of a white kid. Choose white or mixed/ other.

Asian kids are absolutely held to higher GPA/ SAT standards because of quotas. Especially at higher ranked colleges, and especially in STEM.

Look at the admission stats/ class composition for Cal Tech (which by law is race blind) and MIT. Similar rankings.

Cal Tech is 42% Asian and 29% white.

https://www.registrar.caltech.edu/academics/enrollment

MIT, which s "holistic" and not race blind is 35% white and 26% Asian.

So unless admissions are race blind-- not Asian.


https://www.registrar.caltech.edu/academics/enrollment

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can always choose "other."

I wouldn't pay a lot of attention to information about test scores and grades, since they make up only a part of what college admissions officials are looking for. Just work with your daughter to figure out the best school for her, and everything will fall into place.

Good luck going into senior year! It's a fun and exciting time for your family!

Yes, but if white applicants can get into a school with a score of X and other criteria that make them well-rounded, but Asians have to have a score of X+50 plus the other criteria that makes them well rounded, then applicants have a better chance of getting in if they select Caucasian or white vs Asian. That's part of what the quoted article says.

It's really hard to compare and rate outside activities, essays, and recommendations. There's a lot more to putting a college class together than scores and grades. It's not as though it's a "prize" that someone can win by scoring a certain number of objective points. Top colleges want classes that consist of lots of different kinds of students with a variety of strengths in addition to academic strength. They're not looking for the same thing every year since they want a balance among all the classes at the school at any particular time.

There are so many colleges with many different characteristics so it is worth it to look at a lot of schools to figure out which ones would be a good fit.

White - actually - for college admissions

First you have to be honest.

Second Asians are sadly held to higher standards.

You must be VERY ignorant to be coming upon college applications and not know that Asians are discriminated against in academia.

I'm half Asian and my children are 3/4 Asian. Oh well.

I think if you put other you have to say what it is. Yhey also have a category called non european white which is what our kid picked because she is middle eastern but does that category mean something else? Will they assume we are middle eastern?

Anonymous wrote:You can always choose "other."

I wouldn't pay a lot of attention to information about test scores and grades, since they make up only a part of what college admissions officials are looking for. Just work with your daughter to figure out the best school for her, and everything will fall into place.

Good luck going into senior year! It's a fun and exciting time for your family!

Yes, but if white applicants can get into a school with a score of X and other criteria that make them well-rounded, but Asians have to have a score of X+50 plus the other criteria that makes them well rounded, then applicants have a better chance of getting in if they select Caucasian or white vs Asian. That's part of what the quoted article says.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why don't you be honest and select mixed, or all that that apply/other? Don't play some kind of game.

- mixed kid who got into an ivy

Don't be naive....the whole application process is a game.

How so? Seriously.

Anonymous wrote:Why don't you be honest and select mixed, or all that that apply/other? Don't play some kind of game.

- mixed kid who got into an ivy

Don't be naive....the whole application process is a game.

You can always choose "other."

I wouldn't pay a lot of attention to information about test scores and grades, since they make up only a part of what college admissions officials are looking for. Just work with your daughter to figure out the best school for her, and everything will fall into place.

Good luck going into senior year! It's a fun and exciting time for your family!

Anonymous wrote:Do not select Asian if you can help it. There are quotas for Asians and Asians need to have higher stats (tests and grades) to make it in. You have a larger group competing for a smaller set of spaces.

Essentially of all applicants with certain test scores, Asians had the lowest acceptance rate. In fact they are penalized. Asians need higher test scores and grades to get into schools than any other ethnic demographic:
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-adv-asian-race-tutoring-20150222-story.html

This article is about acceptance to Medical School, but the issue affects undergraduate as well. Basically, for the same MCAT scores, Asians are admitted into medical schools at significantly lower rates than other ethnic demographics.
https://www.aei.org/publication/new-chart-illustrates-graphically-racial-preferences-for-blacks-and-hispanics-being-admitted-to-us-medical-schools/?utm_source=EF%3A+New+Proof+of+Discrimination+Against+AsAm+Students&utm_campaign=BOD+Result&utm_medium=email&utm_source=EF%3A+UGLY+facts+on+discrimination+against+Asian+American+youth&utm_campaign=BOD+Result&utm_medium=email

Thank you. That's helpful. I guess we won't pick Asian.