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Anonymous wrote:This thread is bizarre. The question is asking why Harvard is 51% minority while the country is only 37% minority. Harvard admits 22% Asians, more than 4x or 17% higher than the national fraction of Asian-Americans (4.8%)...a margin that is more than sufficient to explain the different between 37% vs 51% minority.

Any y'all are fixated on the 2% over-representation of black Americans?

No wonder your kids won't get into Harvard. You lack basic reasoning skills.

-- Harvard PhD

Do I really need to break this out to you

We are talking about one of the best schools in the country which should have the best students in the country attending not proportional representation

Bet you are a liberal

I don't know where you are getting that I'm suggesting that Harvard should have proportional representation. But, the entire premise of this thread is that Harvard's minority fraction is larger than the US minority fraction. I'm responding to that premise and offering a more nuanced perspective.

What I tried to do is assess how anomalous Harvard's student demographics are. The largest anomalous population is Asian...which makes sense based on overall HS performance. Black Americans are only slightly over-represented, though ultimately we're talking about 15% of about 2000 people. In other words, 300 students. You're telling me you don't believe that there are 300 black students in the entire country who are qualified to go to Harvard? You're really going to argue that? And you're talking down to me?

I'm sorry that your kid didn't get into Harvard, I truly am since it seems like you will never get over it. But if you are so concerned about their future, maybe start by learning some basic reasoning skills and passing them along to your kid instead of just reacting emotionally to things you think are unfair.

Newsflash - your high-average white kid was never going to get into Harvard anyway. Those very few elite white kids who may have gotten displaced from Harvard will get into another Ivy. If your kid did not get into any Ivy he was not elite in the first place. But I realize it's nicer for you to blame "URMs".

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is bizarre. The question is asking why Harvard is 51% minority while the country is only 37% minority. Harvard admits 22% Asians, more than 4x or 17% higher than the national fraction of Asian-Americans (4.8%)...a margin that is more than sufficient to explain the different between 37% vs 51% minority.

Any y'all are fixated on the 2% over-representation of black Americans?

No wonder your kids won't get into Harvard. You lack basic reasoning skills.

-- Harvard PhD

Do I really need to break this out to you

We are talking about one of the best schools in the country which should have the best students in the country attending not proportional representation

Bet you are a liberal

And they do have the best students. Whenever people talk about this issue the only disparity that is brought up is test scores. Nothing else, ever. All that will happen is these top schools will eliminate using tests as a metric.

Exactly. The URM population has been rising at all of the elite schools while the test scores have also incrementally increased or remained constant. If there was something to backup that a higher % of minorities meant a weaker student body, there'd be a case, but in fact the opposite is true.

The elite schools are always going to get the elite applicants across all segments. To see an erosion in student quality you'd have to look at the second and third tier schools where I'm sure it is evident.

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Anonymous wrote:If there wasn't affirmative action for white people it would be 90% minority.

defend this. How do you figure?

NP It would look more like the California schools but not 90% Asian

California has a large population of Asians especially among "smart" cohort going to an elite school

vs the rest of the country which is still majority white especially at the "smart" cohort; in many places there are barely any asians at all

without Affirmative Action there would be barely any Hispanics or blacks at elite schools

So what percent are Asian at UC Berkeley now? Wouldn't Harvard look more like that in a fair, non "holistic" process?

More like that yes still Berkeley being in CA plays a role. If Berkeley was in another state the Asian stats would drop just like the Mexican stats would drop too

http://opa.berkeley.edu/uc-berkeley-fall-enrollment-data

Sidenote I will admit seeing an elite school with 20% Chinese makes me feel uncomfortable (I'm white)

You sound like a real winner. And you do realize the term Asian includes more than just Chinese people?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is bizarre. The question is asking why Harvard is 51% minority while the country is only 37% minority. Harvard admits 22% Asians, more than 4x or 17% higher than the national fraction of Asian-Americans (4.8%)...a margin that is more than sufficient to explain the different between 37% vs 51% minority.

Any y'all are fixated on the 2% over-representation of black Americans?

No wonder your kids won't get into Harvard. You lack basic reasoning skills.

-- Harvard PhD

Do I really need to break this out to you

We are talking about one of the best schools in the country which should have the best students in the country attending not proportional representation

Bet you are a liberal

And they do have the best students. Whenever people talk about this issue the only disparity that is brought up is test scores. Nothing else, ever. All that will happen is these top schools will eliminate using tests as a metric.

Exactly. The URM population has been rising at all of the elite schools while the test scores have also incrementally increased or remained constant. If there was something to backup that a higher % of minorities meant a weaker student body, there'd be a case, but in fact the opposite is true.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is bizarre. The question is asking why Harvard is 51% minority while the country is only 37% minority. Harvard admits 22% Asians, more than 4x or 17% higher than the national fraction of Asian-Americans (4.8%)...a margin that is more than sufficient to explain the different between 37% vs 51% minority.

Any y'all are fixated on the 2% over-representation of black Americans?

No wonder your kids won't get into Harvard. You lack basic reasoning skills.

-- Harvard PhD

Do I really need to break this out to you

We are talking about one of the best schools in the country which should have the best students in the country attending not proportional representation

Bet you are a liberal

And they do have the best students. Whenever people talk about this issue the only disparity that is brought up is test scores. Nothing else, ever. All that will happen is these top schools will eliminate using tests as a metric.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there wasn't affirmative action for white people it would be 90% minority.

defend this. How do you figure?

NP It would look more like the California schools but not 90% Asian

California has a large population of Asians especially among "smart" cohort going to an elite school

vs the rest of the country which is still majority white especially at the "smart" cohort; in many places there are barely any asians at all

without Affirmative Action there would be barely any Hispanics or blacks at elite schools

So what percent are Asian at UC Berkeley now? Wouldn't Harvard look more like that in a fair, non "holistic" process?

More like that yes still Berkeley being in CA plays a role. If Berkeley was in another state the Asian stats would drop just like the Mexican stats would drop too

http://opa.berkeley.edu/uc-berkeley-fall-enrollment-data

Sidenote I will admit seeing an elite school with 20% Chinese makes me feel uncomfortable (I'm white)

According to that link, whites are only 24% at UC Berkeley.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there wasn't affirmative action for white people it would be 90% minority.

defend this. How do you figure?

NP It would look more like the California schools but not 90% Asian

California has a large population of Asians especially among "smart" cohort going to an elite school

vs the rest of the country which is still majority white especially at the "smart" cohort; in many places there are barely any asians at all

without Affirmative Action there would be barely any Hispanics or blacks at elite schools

So what percent are Asian at UC Berkeley now? Wouldn't Harvard look more like that in a fair, non "holistic" process?

More like that yes still Berkeley being in CA plays a role. If Berkeley was in another state the Asian stats would drop just like the Mexican stats would drop too

http://opa.berkeley.edu/uc-berkeley-fall-enrollment-data

Sidenote I will admit seeing an elite school with 20% Chinese makes me feel uncomfortable (I'm white)

Why? Because you're racist?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there wasn't affirmative action for white people it would be 90% minority.

defend this. How do you figure?

NP It would look more like the California schools but not 90% Asian

California has a large population of Asians especially among "smart" cohort going to an elite school

vs the rest of the country which is still majority white especially at the "smart" cohort; in many places there are barely any asians at all

without Affirmative Action there would be barely any Hispanics or blacks at elite schools

So what percent are Asian at UC Berkeley now? Wouldn't Harvard look more like that in a fair, non "holistic" process?

More like that yes still Berkeley being in CA plays a role. If Berkeley was in another state the Asian stats would drop just like the Mexican stats would drop too

http://opa.berkeley.edu/uc-berkeley-fall-enrollment-data

Sidenote I will admit seeing an elite school with 20% Chinese makes me feel uncomfortable (I'm white)

You mean that's too low?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there wasn't affirmative action for white people it would be 90% minority.

defend this. How do you figure?

NP It would look more like the California schools but not 90% Asian

California has a large population of Asians especially among "smart" cohort going to an elite school

vs the rest of the country which is still majority white especially at the "smart" cohort; in many places there are barely any asians at all

without Affirmative Action there would be barely any Hispanics or blacks at elite schools

So what percent are Asian at UC Berkeley now? Wouldn't Harvard look more like that in a fair, non "holistic" process?

More like that yes still Berkeley being in CA plays a role. If Berkeley was in another state the Asian stats would drop just like the Mexican stats would drop too

http://opa.berkeley.edu/uc-berkeley-fall-enrollment-data

Sidenote I will admit seeing an elite school with 20% Chinese makes me feel uncomfortable (I'm white)

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there wasn't affirmative action for white people it would be 90% minority.

defend this. How do you figure?

NP It would look more like the California schools but not 90% Asian

California has a large population of Asians especially among "smart" cohort going to an elite school

vs the rest of the country which is still majority white especially at the "smart" cohort; in many places there are barely any asians at all

without Affirmative Action there would be barely any Hispanics or blacks at elite schools

So what percent are Asian at UC Berkeley now? Wouldn't Harvard look more like that in a fair, non "holistic" process?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there wasn't affirmative action for white people it would be 90% minority.

defend this. How do you figure?

NP It would look more like the California schools but not 90% Asian

California has a large population of Asians especially among "smart" cohort going to an elite school

vs the rest of the country which is still majority white especially at the "smart" cohort; in many places there are barely any asians at all

without Affirmative Action there would be barely any Hispanics or blacks at elite schools

Anonymous wrote:This thread is bizarre. The question is asking why Harvard is 51% minority while the country is only 37% minority. Harvard admits 22% Asians, more than 4x or 17% higher than the national fraction of Asian-Americans (4.8%)...a margin that is more than sufficient to explain the different between 37% vs 51% minority.

Any y'all are fixated on the 2% over-representation of black Americans?

No wonder your kids won't get into Harvard. You lack basic reasoning skills.

-- Harvard PhD

Do I really need to break this out to you

We are talking about one of the best schools in the country which should have the best students in the country attending not proportional representation

Bet you are a liberal

Anonymous wrote:The number of asians did not go up though.

I would have expected the increase to be in the percentage of asian students since they are the highest achievers.

So can you tell which minority groups did increase in number?

Anonymous wrote:If there wasn't affirmative action for white people it would be 90% minority.

defend this. How do you figure?