Affirmative action is institutionalized racism. Time to end it.

Another waste of taxpayer money and another "oh, poor me" whine from the dumb whites.

Anonymous wrote:Ironically, in college admissions, it's actually asians that get hurt most by affirmative action.

So true. In merit based only schools the Asians make up about 70%. Without diversity programs, whites could kiss the top universities good-bye.

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Anonymous wrote:Hasn't SCOTUS already decided on the constitutionality of affirmative action? So glad taxpayer funds will be going to what's *really* important.

Yes screw little Johnny who got s 1600 SAT. he needs to give up his seat to Harvard because racism, right?

To little Jamal who also got a 1600? Maybe.

But you know that government can't tell Harvard who to admit, I hope.

That would be one thing but universities are giving preference to Jamal with a 1300 over mr white 1600.

Maybe Jamal with 1300 has a much more interesting back story to his life, has done a lot more admirable things, is a much better writer, a more talented inventor, won more awards, is a kinder person than Johnny who took 5 prep courses to get his perfect score but has never been out of his little cocoon of privilege and who obviously had help writing his essay.

I know which candidate I'd prefer.

DP. But you're just making up a sympathetic story. Johnny could be the one with the "interesting back story," not Jamal. AA isn't based on who possesses a certain back story; it's based on who possesses a certain skin color.

So, are you on an admissions committee and are telling us a particular story about particular candidates?

Admissions committees don't just look at skin color. They look at the whole package. And yes, non-academic factors come into play. I'm a white person who got into an Ivy League school with that 1300 SAT score and you know what I am almost certain put me over in the yes pile? The fact that I was from a poor rural midwestern area from where they rarely received applications. An admissions officer as much told me so. I probably prevented a Connecticut Johnny with his 1600 SAT score from getting in.

But he probably got in elsewhere so i don't feel so bad about it.

I don't think anyone remotely suggested that Admissions committees ONLY look at skin color.

From what I've read on this thread it seems people are suggesting admissions committees shouldn't be able to consider race at all. Maybe they shouldn't be able to consider any other non-academic factors at all. I'm sure that would make for a great class makeup. Maybe they should just take all the highest SAT scorers, put their name in a bag, and pull out names at random. Because of course SAT is the only indicator of a good college student.

They shouldn't even ASK about your color of skin.

Throw thes deans and admissions officers in prison. Enough illegal racist discrimination.

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Anonymous wrote:Hasn't SCOTUS already decided on the constitutionality of affirmative action? So glad taxpayer funds will be going to what's *really* important.

Yes screw little Johnny who got s 1600 SAT. he needs to give up his seat to Harvard because racism, right?

To little Jamal who also got a 1600? Maybe.

But you know that government can't tell Harvard who to admit, I hope.

That would be one thing but universities are giving preference to Jamal with a 1300 over mr white 1600.

Maybe Jamal with 1300 has a much more interesting back story to his life, has done a lot more admirable things, is a much better writer, a more talented inventor, won more awards, is a kinder person than Johnny who took 5 prep courses to get his perfect score but has never been out of his little cocoon of privilege and who obviously had help writing his essay.

I know which candidate I'd prefer.

DP. But you're just making up a sympathetic story. Johnny could be the one with the "interesting back story," not Jamal. AA isn't based on who possesses a certain back story; it's based on who possesses a certain skin color.

So, are you on an admissions committee and are telling us a particular story about particular candidates?

Admissions committees don't just look at skin color. They look at the whole package. And yes, non-academic factors come into play. I'm a white person who got into an Ivy League school with that 1300 SAT score and you know what I am almost certain put me over in the yes pile? The fact that I was from a poor rural midwestern area from where they rarely received applications. An admissions officer as much told me so. I probably prevented a Connecticut Johnny with his 1600 SAT score from getting in.

But he probably got in elsewhere so i don't feel so bad about it.

I don't think anyone remotely suggested that Admissions committees ONLY look at skin color.

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Anonymous wrote:Hasn't SCOTUS already decided on the constitutionality of affirmative action? So glad taxpayer funds will be going to what's *really* important.

Yes screw little Johnny who got s 1600 SAT. he needs to give up his seat to Harvard because racism, right?

To little Jamal who also got a 1600? Maybe.

But you know that government can't tell Harvard who to admit, I hope.

That would be one thing but universities are giving preference to Jamal with a 1300 over mr white 1600.

Maybe Jamal with 1300 has a much more interesting back story to his life, has done a lot more admirable things, is a much better writer, a more talented inventor, won more awards, is a kinder person than Johnny who took 5 prep courses to get his perfect score but has never been out of his little cocoon of privilege and who obviously had help writing his essay.

I know which candidate I'd prefer.

DP. But you're just making up a sympathetic story. Johnny could be the one with the "interesting back story," not Jamal. AA isn't based on who possesses a certain back story; it's based on who possesses a certain skin color.

So, are you on an admissions committee and are telling us a particular story about particular candidates?

Admissions committees don't just look at skin color. They look at the whole package. And yes, non-academic factors come into play. I'm a white person who got into an Ivy League school with that 1300 SAT score and you know what I am almost certain put me over in the yes pile? The fact that I was from a poor rural midwestern area from where they rarely received applications. An admissions officer as much told me so. I probably prevented a Connecticut Johnny with his 1600 SAT score from getting in.

But he probably got in elsewhere so i don't feel so bad about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not even white and I agree with this policy. There is no reason to discriminate against a qualified white student

Tons of qualified students, white or black or Asian, don't get admitted to schools because 1) too many qualified students apply for the number of slots available and 2) schools decide what kind of class make up they want. 10000 applicants with 1600 SAT scores for 500 slots? They have to pick somehow and they look at lots of factors to make it an interesting group.

Have you never been on a selection committee for anything?

DP. But they shouldn't be racist about it.

They're not.

Favoring blacks over whites isn't racist?

Merriam Webster: racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

A university deciding it wants a diverse incoming class -- diverse in terms of race, class, gender, where people come from -- is not included in the dictionary definition of racism.

Yes it is.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not even white and I agree with this policy. There is no reason to discriminate against a qualified white student

Tons of qualified students, white or black or Asian, don't get admitted to schools because 1) too many qualified students apply for the number of slots available and 2) schools decide what kind of class make up they want. 10000 applicants with 1600 SAT scores for 500 slots? They have to pick somehow and they look at lots of factors to make it an interesting group.

Have you never been on a selection committee for anything?

DP. But they shouldn't be racist about it.

They're not.

Favoring blacks over whites isn't racist?

Merriam Webster: racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

A university deciding it wants a diverse incoming class -- diverse in terms of race, class, gender, where people come from -- is not included in the dictionary definition of racism.

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Anonymous wrote:Hasn't SCOTUS already decided on the constitutionality of affirmative action? So glad taxpayer funds will be going to what's *really* important.

Yes screw little Johnny who got s 1600 SAT. he needs to give up his seat to Harvard because racism, right?

To little Jamal who also got a 1600? Maybe.

But you know that government can't tell Harvard who to admit, I hope.

That would be one thing but universities are giving preference to Jamal with a 1300 over mr white 1600.

Maybe Jamal with 1300 has a much more interesting back story to his life, has done a lot more admirable things, is a much better writer, a more talented inventor, won more awards, is a kinder person than Johnny who took 5 prep courses to get his perfect score but has never been out of his little cocoon of privilege and who obviously had help writing his essay.

I know which candidate I'd prefer.

DP. But you're just making up a sympathetic story. Johnny could be the one with the "interesting back story," not Jamal. AA isn't based on who possesses a certain back story; it's based on who possesses a certain skin color.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not even white and I agree with this policy. There is no reason to discriminate against a qualified white student

Tons of qualified students, white or black or Asian, don't get admitted to schools because 1) too many qualified students apply for the number of slots available and 2) schools decide what kind of class make up they want. 10000 applicants with 1600 SAT scores for 500 slots? They have to pick somehow and they look at lots of factors to make it an interesting group.

Have you never been on a selection committee for anything?

DP. But they shouldn't be racist about it.

They're not.

Favoring blacks over whites isn't racist?

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Anonymous wrote:Hasn't SCOTUS already decided on the constitutionality of affirmative action? So glad taxpayer funds will be going to what's *really* important.

Yes screw little Johnny who got s 1600 SAT. he needs to give up his seat to Harvard because racism, right?

To little Jamal who also got a 1600? Maybe.

But you know that government can't tell Harvard who to admit, I hope.

That would be one thing but universities are giving preference to Jamal with a 1300 over mr white 1600.

Maybe Jamal with 1300 has a much more interesting back story to his life, has done a lot more admirable things, is a much better writer, a more talented inventor, won more awards, is a kinder person than Johnny who took 5 prep courses to get his perfect score but has never been out of his little cocoon of privilege and who obviously had help writing his essay.

I know which candidate I'd prefer.

Oh we know what you prefer, honey

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Anonymous wrote:I am not even white and I agree with this policy. There is no reason to discriminate against a qualified white student

Tons of qualified students, white or black or Asian, don't get admitted to schools because 1) too many qualified students apply for the number of slots available and 2) schools decide what kind of class make up they want. 10000 applicants with 1600 SAT scores for 500 slots? They have to pick somehow and they look at lots of factors to make it an interesting group.

Have you never been on a selection committee for anything?

DP. But they shouldn't be racist about it.

They're not.

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Anonymous wrote:Hasn't SCOTUS already decided on the constitutionality of affirmative action? So glad taxpayer funds will be going to what's *really* important.

Yes screw little Johnny who got s 1600 SAT. he needs to give up his seat to Harvard because racism, right?

To little Jamal who also got a 1600? Maybe.

But you know that government can't tell Harvard who to admit, I hope.

That would be one thing but universities are giving preference to Jamal with a 1300 over mr white 1600.

Maybe Jamal with 1300 has a much more interesting back story to his life, has done a lot more admirable things, is a much better writer, a more talented inventor, won more awards, is a kinder person than Johnny who took 5 prep courses to get his perfect score but has never been out of his little cocoon of privilege and who obviously had help writing his essay.

I know which candidate I'd prefer.