Anonymous
07/31/2017 15:31
Subject: Benefits of DCPS for non residents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There isn't a comparable arts school in the suburbs. The arts instruction -- not necessarily the academics -- are outstanding at Ellington. That's why people apply from out of state.
The Ellington school renovation budget is over budget (it isn't the only one). The school operating budget is not and, in addition, privately raised funds pay for 40% of what it costs to run the school.
Personally i wish Ellington would become a regional school co-managed and funded by DC with any county that wants to chip in (like TJ High School which is a multi county consortium). Kids from every participating jurisdiction could apply and the most qualified can attend.
Ellington raises grant money to pay to send their students on study trips. So your tax dollars weren't spent.
That's a huge cop out -- Ellington's renovation budget was absurdly high from the beginning and he only gotten further off the rails over time. It's a disgrace.
It's opening this fall. Can we please move on from that complaint to their test scores or something?
OK - I have a complaint that more than 10% of the students enrolled are not DC residents.
They're paying for their ride. What's your beef with that?
Anonymous
07/31/2017 13:55
Subject: Benefits of DCPS for non residents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There isn't a comparable arts school in the suburbs. The arts instruction -- not necessarily the academics -- are outstanding at Ellington. That's why people apply from out of state.
The Ellington school renovation budget is over budget (it isn't the only one). The school operating budget is not and, in addition, privately raised funds pay for 40% of what it costs to run the school.
Personally i wish Ellington would become a regional school co-managed and funded by DC with any county that wants to chip in (like TJ High School which is a multi county consortium). Kids from every participating jurisdiction could apply and the most qualified can attend.
Ellington raises grant money to pay to send their students on study trips. So your tax dollars weren't spent.
That's a huge cop out -- Ellington's renovation budget was absurdly high from the beginning and he only gotten further off the rails over time. It's a disgrace.
It's opening this fall. Can we please move on from that complaint to their test scores or something?
OK - I have a complaint that more than 10% of the students enrolled are not DC residents.
Now we're getting somewhere. How would you fix it without watering down the arts programming?
Apparently there were hundreds denied admission from the article. I would assume most were D.C. residents. So we are to believe that the non-residents were so superior that one of the higher perfoming applicants would water down the programming? I don't buy it. First, this is extremely subjective. Second, itsn't it their job to teach the students so they improve?
"School official Desepe de Vargas told me that only 190 of 610 applicants were admitted to the ninth and 10th grades last year. The upper grades don’t take new students. The school had 525 students last year."
The application process includes an essay, an admissions test and an audition or portfolio.
No more than 10% of its students can come from outside the district (for 16-17 there were 42 out of state, tuition paying students).
Not to get off track, and it's been a few years since our child applied (and was accepted), but the admissions process does not have an academic portion, so it's incorrect to say that there's an admissions test. The components were:
1. short essay on why child wants to attend
2. audition/portfolio
3. family interview
The academic test was only for academic placement.
Anonymous
07/31/2017 13:34
Subject: Benefits of DCPS for non residents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There isn't a comparable arts school in the suburbs. The arts instruction -- not necessarily the academics -- are outstanding at Ellington. That's why people apply from out of state.
The Ellington school renovation budget is over budget (it isn't the only one). The school operating budget is not and, in addition, privately raised funds pay for 40% of what it costs to run the school.
Personally i wish Ellington would become a regional school co-managed and funded by DC with any county that wants to chip in (like TJ High School which is a multi county consortium). Kids from every participating jurisdiction could apply and the most qualified can attend.
Ellington raises grant money to pay to send their students on study trips. So your tax dollars weren't spent.
That's a huge cop out -- Ellington's renovation budget was absurdly high from the beginning and he only gotten further off the rails over time. It's a disgrace.
It's opening this fall. Can we please move on from that complaint to their test scores or something?
OK - I have a complaint that more than 10% of the students enrolled are not DC residents.
Now we're getting somewhere. How would you fix it without watering down the arts programming?
Apparently there were hundreds denied admission from the article. I would assume most were D.C. residents. So we are to believe that the non-residents were so superior that one of the higher perfoming applicants would water down the programming? I don't buy it. First, this is extremely subjective. Second, itsn't it their job to teach the students so they improve?
"School official Desepe de Vargas told me that only 190 of 610 applicants were admitted to the ninth and 10th grades last year. The upper grades don’t take new students. The school had 525 students last year."
If no horn players from DC apply to the school, why wouldn't the school accept tuition playing horn players from MD to fill out the orchestra? That's most of what we're talking about here.
Anonymous
07/31/2017 13:33
Subject: Benefits of DCPS for non residents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There isn't a comparable arts school in the suburbs. The arts instruction -- not necessarily the academics -- are outstanding at Ellington. That's why people apply from out of state.
The Ellington school renovation budget is over budget (it isn't the only one). The school operating budget is not and, in addition, privately raised funds pay for 40% of what it costs to run the school.
Personally i wish Ellington would become a regional school co-managed and funded by DC with any county that wants to chip in (like TJ High School which is a multi county consortium). Kids from every participating jurisdiction could apply and the most qualified can attend.
Ellington raises grant money to pay to send their students on study trips. So your tax dollars weren't spent.
That's a huge cop out -- Ellington's renovation budget was absurdly high from the beginning and he only gotten further off the rails over time. It's a disgrace.
It's opening this fall. Can we please move on from that complaint to their test scores or something?
OK - I have a complaint that more than 10% of the students enrolled are not DC residents.
Now we're getting somewhere. How would you fix it without watering down the arts programming?
Apparently there were hundreds denied admission from the article. I would assume most were D.C. residents. So we are to believe that the non-residents were so superior that one of the higher perfoming applicants would water down the programming? I don't buy it. First, this is extremely subjective. Second, itsn't it their job to teach the students so they improve?
"School official Desepe de Vargas told me that only 190 of 610 applicants were admitted to the ninth and 10th grades last year. The upper grades don’t take new students. The school had 525 students last year."
The application process includes an essay, an admissions test and an audition or portfolio.
No more than 10% of its students can come from outside the district (for 16-17 there were 42 out of state, tuition paying students).
Anonymous
07/31/2017 13:25
Subject: Benefits of DCPS for non residents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There isn't a comparable arts school in the suburbs. The arts instruction -- not necessarily the academics -- are outstanding at Ellington. That's why people apply from out of state.
The Ellington school renovation budget is over budget (it isn't the only one). The school operating budget is not and, in addition, privately raised funds pay for 40% of what it costs to run the school.
Personally i wish Ellington would become a regional school co-managed and funded by DC with any county that wants to chip in (like TJ High School which is a multi county consortium). Kids from every participating jurisdiction could apply and the most qualified can attend.
Ellington raises grant money to pay to send their students on study trips. So your tax dollars weren't spent.
That's a huge cop out -- Ellington's renovation budget was absurdly high from the beginning and he only gotten further off the rails over time. It's a disgrace.
It's opening this fall. Can we please move on from that complaint to their test scores or something?
OK - I have a complaint that more than 10% of the students enrolled are not DC residents.
Now we're getting somewhere. How would you fix it without watering down the arts programming?
Apparently there were hundreds denied admission from the article. I would assume most were D.C. residents. So we are to believe that the non-residents were so superior that one of the higher perfoming applicants would water down the programming? I don't buy it. First, this is extremely subjective. Second, itsn't it their job to teach the students so they improve?
"School official Desepe de Vargas told me that only 190 of 610 applicants were admitted to the ninth and 10th grades last year. The upper grades don’t take new students. The school had 525 students last year."
Anonymous
07/31/2017 13:13
Subject: Re:Benefits of DCPS for non residents
One of the eligibility criteria for the DCPS Study Abroad program is that you have to be a DCPS student. In other words, you MUST attend a DCPS school. So if you live in VA or MD and pay tuition to attend a DCPS school, that student is eligible to attend the DCPS Study Abroad Program because that student attends a DCPS school. It is not meant for DC charter students.
Resident, DCPS student: Eligible
Non-resident, DCPS student paying tuition: Eligible
Non-resident OR resident, non-DCPS, charter school student: Ineligible.
https://dcpsglobaled.org/how-to-apply
Resident, DCPS student: Eligible
Non-resident, DCPS student paying tuition: Eligible
Non-resident OR resident, non-DCPS, charter school student: Ineligible.
https://dcpsglobaled.org/how-to-apply
Anonymous
07/31/2017 12:59
Subject: Benefits of DCPS for non residents
Anonymous wrote:Just keep 'my tax dollars' out of your complaint. The DCPs study abroad program is also privately funded (donations to DCPS' foundation).
I never saw any explicit restrictions on the application related to DC residency -- just that you must be enrolled in a DCPS (not charter) school.
Wait- so people from Virginia can apply and do it, but not charter school kids?
Anonymous
07/31/2017 12:41
Subject: Benefits of DCPS for non residents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There isn't a comparable arts school in the suburbs. The arts instruction -- not necessarily the academics -- are outstanding at Ellington. That's why people apply from out of state.
The Ellington school renovation budget is over budget (it isn't the only one). The school operating budget is not and, in addition, privately raised funds pay for 40% of what it costs to run the school.
Personally i wish Ellington would become a regional school co-managed and funded by DC with any county that wants to chip in (like TJ High School which is a multi county consortium). Kids from every participating jurisdiction could apply and the most qualified can attend.
Ellington raises grant money to pay to send their students on study trips. So your tax dollars weren't spent.
That's a huge cop out -- Ellington's renovation budget was absurdly high from the beginning and he only gotten further off the rails over time. It's a disgrace.
It's opening this fall. Can we please move on from that complaint to their test scores or something?
I'll stop complaining when out of state tuition is raised to $20,000-$30,000 per year to pay for their share of the renovation.
Ellington should not cost non DC residents the fixed $12K that DC has determined is the general cost given the grade. The cost per pupil at Ellington is much higher. For example, Ellington offers an average class size of 11 students. In contrast, Wilson is 20. Why should DC residents be subsidizing this school for others.
The class size isn't 11. But there are more teachers per student because the kids take 9-10 classes each day (the regular DCPS of foreign language, math, science and english), plus the arts block. The arts block is funded by the Ellington Fund (private $). The tuition charged to out of state students is for the DCPS portion.
Of course it costs more, even for the DCPS portion, but that is the per pupil figure that DCPS uses for all high schools. If they added renovation costs or rent, sports and all the other extras to that figure to come up with an accurate out of state tuition rate, they'd be on the hook for giving the charter sector that much money per pupil too.
Anonymous
07/31/2017 11:26
Subject: Benefits of DCPS for non residents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There isn't a comparable arts school in the suburbs. The arts instruction -- not necessarily the academics -- are outstanding at Ellington. That's why people apply from out of state.
The Ellington school renovation budget is over budget (it isn't the only one). The school operating budget is not and, in addition, privately raised funds pay for 40% of what it costs to run the school.
Personally i wish Ellington would become a regional school co-managed and funded by DC with any county that wants to chip in (like TJ High School which is a multi county consortium). Kids from every participating jurisdiction could apply and the most qualified can attend.
Ellington raises grant money to pay to send their students on study trips. So your tax dollars weren't spent.
That's a huge cop out -- Ellington's renovation budget was absurdly high from the beginning and he only gotten further off the rails over time. It's a disgrace.
It's opening this fall. Can we please move on from that complaint to their test scores or something?
I'll stop complaining when out of state tuition is raised to $20,000-$30,000 per year to pay for their share of the renovation.
Ellington should not cost non DC residents the fixed $12K that DC has determined is the general cost given the grade. The cost per pupil at Ellington is much higher. For example, Ellington offers an average class size of 11 students. In contrast, Wilson is 20. Why should DC residents be subsidizing this school for others.
Anonymous
07/31/2017 10:41
Subject: Benefits of DCPS for non residents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There isn't a comparable arts school in the suburbs. The arts instruction -- not necessarily the academics -- are outstanding at Ellington. That's why people apply from out of state.
The Ellington school renovation budget is over budget (it isn't the only one). The school operating budget is not and, in addition, privately raised funds pay for 40% of what it costs to run the school.
Personally i wish Ellington would become a regional school co-managed and funded by DC with any county that wants to chip in (like TJ High School which is a multi county consortium). Kids from every participating jurisdiction could apply and the most qualified can attend.
Ellington raises grant money to pay to send their students on study trips. So your tax dollars weren't spent.
That's a huge cop out -- Ellington's renovation budget was absurdly high from the beginning and he only gotten further off the rails over time. It's a disgrace.
It's opening this fall. Can we please move on from that complaint to their test scores or something?
I'll stop complaining when out of state tuition is raised to $20,000-$30,000 per year to pay for their share of the renovation.
Anonymous
07/31/2017 10:30
Subject: Benefits of DCPS for non residents
Anonymous wrote:Jay Mathews doesn't even live in DC anymore. He lives in California -- he decides what to write based on chatter and gossip he gets via email or by talking to friends still in the area. It's embarrassing that he still has a column in the Post.
1000+
Anonymous
07/31/2017 10:23
Subject: Benefits of DCPS for non residents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There isn't a comparable arts school in the suburbs. The arts instruction -- not necessarily the academics -- are outstanding at Ellington. That's why people apply from out of state.
The Ellington school renovation budget is over budget (it isn't the only one). The school operating budget is not and, in addition, privately raised funds pay for 40% of what it costs to run the school.
Personally i wish Ellington would become a regional school co-managed and funded by DC with any county that wants to chip in (like TJ High School which is a multi county consortium). Kids from every participating jurisdiction could apply and the most qualified can attend.
Ellington raises grant money to pay to send their students on study trips. So your tax dollars weren't spent.
That's a huge cop out -- Ellington's renovation budget was absurdly high from the beginning and he only gotten further off the rails over time. It's a disgrace.
It's opening this fall. Can we please move on from that complaint to their test scores or something?
OK - I have a complaint that more than 10% of the students enrolled are not DC residents.
Now we're getting somewhere. How would you fix it without watering down the arts programming?
Anonymous
07/31/2017 10:11
Subject: Benefits of DCPS for non residents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There isn't a comparable arts school in the suburbs. The arts instruction -- not necessarily the academics -- are outstanding at Ellington. That's why people apply from out of state.
The Ellington school renovation budget is over budget (it isn't the only one). The school operating budget is not and, in addition, privately raised funds pay for 40% of what it costs to run the school.
Personally i wish Ellington would become a regional school co-managed and funded by DC with any county that wants to chip in (like TJ High School which is a multi county consortium). Kids from every participating jurisdiction could apply and the most qualified can attend.
Ellington raises grant money to pay to send their students on study trips. So your tax dollars weren't spent.
That's a huge cop out -- Ellington's renovation budget was absurdly high from the beginning and he only gotten further off the rails over time. It's a disgrace.
It's opening this fall. Can we please move on from that complaint to their test scores or something?
No. It's an understatement to suggest the massive budget overrun was anything other than an aberration. It sucked the oxygen out of the modernization budgets and schedules for any number of other MORE deserving schools.
Anonymous
07/31/2017 10:03
Subject: Benefits of DCPS for non residents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There isn't a comparable arts school in the suburbs. The arts instruction -- not necessarily the academics -- are outstanding at Ellington. That's why people apply from out of state.
The Ellington school renovation budget is over budget (it isn't the only one). The school operating budget is not and, in addition, privately raised funds pay for 40% of what it costs to run the school.
Personally i wish Ellington would become a regional school co-managed and funded by DC with any county that wants to chip in (like TJ High School which is a multi county consortium). Kids from every participating jurisdiction could apply and the most qualified can attend.
Ellington raises grant money to pay to send their students on study trips. So your tax dollars weren't spent.
That's a huge cop out -- Ellington's renovation budget was absurdly high from the beginning and he only gotten further off the rails over time. It's a disgrace.
It's opening this fall. Can we please move on from that complaint to their test scores or something?
OK - I have a complaint that more than 10% of the students enrolled are not DC residents.
Anonymous
07/31/2017 09:58
Subject: Benefits of DCPS for non residents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There isn't a comparable arts school in the suburbs. The arts instruction -- not necessarily the academics -- are outstanding at Ellington. That's why people apply from out of state.
The Ellington school renovation budget is over budget (it isn't the only one). The school operating budget is not and, in addition, privately raised funds pay for 40% of what it costs to run the school.
Personally i wish Ellington would become a regional school co-managed and funded by DC with any county that wants to chip in (like TJ High School which is a multi county consortium). Kids from every participating jurisdiction could apply and the most qualified can attend.
Ellington raises grant money to pay to send their students on study trips. So your tax dollars weren't spent.
That's a huge cop out -- Ellington's renovation budget was absurdly high from the beginning and he only gotten further off the rails over time. It's a disgrace.
It's opening this fall. Can we please move on from that complaint to their test scores or something?