Anonymous
Post 06/20/2017 09:50     Subject: PARC scores
of course parents care. Why do you think all the high SES families leave their IB shitty shitty schools by Kindergarent or their good school at 4th grade? they don't want their kids brought down in such a horrible learning environment.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2017 09:47     Subject: PARC scores
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The PARCC is not rocket science at all.
My kids have always received 5's on ELA and math and they're bright but not geniuses.
The only kids receiving 4's or below at their school are the ones who are average or below (on IEPs or with behavioral issues). 5 does not mean much.


You are absolutely wrong about this.


That is not mathematically impossible. Just not that many kids on IEPs or having behavioral issues.

YOu may need to brush up on your own math skills.


That's a terrible generalization. There are plenty of bright high performing kids who also have IEPs. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2017 09:46     Subject: Re:PARC scores
Anonymous wrote:Oh come on, you're painting with too broad a brush. You don't know if PP assumed that's what it takes. She noted that, these days, with all the parent-generated inputs on the part of the DC literati, no surprise that 5s on the PARCC aren't rare at certain schools. Some kids will score high regardless, particularly if reading is emphasized in the home (easier for schools to teach math than advanced literacy), most won't without kids getting the experiences high SES lifestyles can buy.



But 5s aren't that common for DC despite whatever advantages some families have. From my admittedly limited experience there is little correlation between the types of supports PP mentions and the highest performing students.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2017 09:21     Subject: PARC scores
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Go to this link and click on 'explore by LEA'

You can see the 'top' schools (% students scoring 4s and 5s)

Click on the ELA column to see that list ranked by ELA; click math to see if that way.

http://results.osse.dc.gov/state/DC#explore-schools-leas



So besides Mann and Banneker not much to see here, clearly most children at DCPS are NOT getting 4s and 5s.


Yes; as a system DCPS has 25% 4s and 5s in ELA and 24% in Math.


WHY DOES NO ONE CARE ABOUT THIS? I'm at a loss to understand while parents think this is ok?


People do care about it -- it's their data for dismissing many schools for their own kids.

Of course when their own children's schools have mediocre to decent scores, they talk about the test being bad, a waste or time, how their own kids are focusing on more important tests, how DC should have an opt out policy, etc.

It's pretty entertaining to watch the rationalizations.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2017 09:18     Subject: PARC scores
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Go to this link and click on 'explore by LEA'

You can see the 'top' schools (% students scoring 4s and 5s)

Click on the ELA column to see that list ranked by ELA; click math to see if that way.

http://results.osse.dc.gov/state/DC#explore-schools-leas



So besides Mann and Banneker not much to see here, clearly most children at DCPS are NOT getting 4s and 5s.


Yes; as a system DCPS has 25% 4s and 5s in ELA and 24% in Math.


WHY DOES NO ONE CARE ABOUT THIS? I'm at a loss to understand while parents think this is ok?
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2017 21:24     Subject: PARC scores
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Go to this link and click on 'explore by LEA'

You can see the 'top' schools (% students scoring 4s and 5s)

Click on the ELA column to see that list ranked by ELA; click math to see if that way.

http://results.osse.dc.gov/state/DC#explore-schools-leas



So besides Mann and Banneker not much to see here, clearly most children at DCPS are NOT getting 4s and 5s.


Yes; as a system DCPS has 25% 4s and 5s in ELA and 24% in Math.

Anonymous
Post 06/19/2017 21:22     Subject: PARC scores
Anonymous wrote:Go to this link and click on 'explore by LEA'

You can see the 'top' schools (% students scoring 4s and 5s)

Click on the ELA column to see that list ranked by ELA; click math to see if that way.

http://results.osse.dc.gov/state/DC#explore-schools-leas



So besides Mann and Banneker not much to see here, clearly most children at DCPS are NOT getting 4s and 5s.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2017 20:30     Subject: Re:PARC scores
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Fives certainly aren't rare at our DCPS. With so many highly educated parents in the mix, including SAHMs with multiple graduate degrees, au pairs, tutors, weekend and summer enrichment camps etc., the DCPS curriculum clearly isn't hard enough for many kids. The schools homegrown, PTA funded GT programs help, but not enough.

Not rare in our DCPS either. DS got both 5s, but without highly educated parents- father has high school only, I have bachelor's and even that took me 17 years , I'm not a SAHM, no Au Pairs or tutors, no enrichments. DS does play baseball and that's the only thing he does. He doesn't do all his homework either and makes careless mistakes. He took Parcc last year for the first time and while his English was great (I'm a foreigner with bad English), his math was too close to 4.
This time I told him not to make careless mistakes and if he gets 4 on math this year, I will start checking his homework and add extras. He is a sharp kid, but not like the gifted and hardworking ones. I think it's his peers at school that have helped him do so well. I know my child and therefore I don't think it was a hard test, at least not in 3rd grade. I'm using my glass ball here and will tell you that he will get ELA also 5 in 4th grade, but math will be 4 most likely.
Elementary education has been great thus far, but have to keep an eye out for middle school. I wasn't even into his schooling until he showed up with 5s on Parcc. Seems like he is paying attention at school. He is in one of the WOtP elementary schools and he was better than 75% of his classmates if I'm not mistaken.


I'm sure your indiv child did score well, but where are all these schools that the students are doing so amazingly well, overall PARCC scores do not support that the majority of students are doing well, neither WOTP or EOTP. Banneker if I recall was an exception!

How well do you want them to do? " Amazingly well" you mean 5s only? Found his test result and he did better in math than 72% students in his grade in his school and scored better than 94% of students in grade 3 in his school. I'll get the kid an icecream. There are plenty of kids with 4s and 4s/5s.


4s and 5s are great. Elementary schools that are doing well should have 65-70% of students in that range, especially for the older grades (4th - 5th vs 3rd).

I drill down into the subgroups - students with disabilities and minorities and economically disadvantaged students. The schools that are doing "really well" should also be able to help those kids do well on PARCC.


Agree with your first point. Getting a 4 means you are doing really well at school. A straight A student on grade level should expect a 4. It is plain silly for PPS to suggest that a student who is doing everything expected for his or her grade is somehow not doing well enough. You may want your kids to get all 5s but it actually is not the expected that everyone "exceed expectations." If too many kids get 5s it means there is a problem with the test.

Your next point ignores a reality about schools in DC, and that is, they don't always have a student from PK4 to 5th. Many kids are being tested in schools they have attended for a year or less, so the school can neither take credit nor blame for their scores. This is especially true for schools that take in students at 4th and 5th. Some schools have a high percentage of turnover. Our school looks at how many 5th graders were so-called "lifers" and it is a surprisingly small percentage of the class even though the number of students barely changes. So the numbers never tell the full story at any school. Yet another reason why the test score driven policy is problematic.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2017 20:20     Subject: PARC scores
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The PARCC is not rocket science at all.
My kids have always received 5's on ELA and math and they're bright but not geniuses.
The only kids receiving 4's or below at their school are the ones who are average or below (on IEPs or with behavioral issues). 5 does not mean much.


You are absolutely wrong about this.


That is not mathematically impossible. Just not that many kids on IEPs or having behavioral issues.

YOu may need to brush up on your own math skills.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2017 20:13     Subject: PARC scores
Anonymous wrote:The PARCC is not rocket science at all.
My kids have always received 5's on ELA and math and they're bright but not geniuses.
The only kids receiving 4's or below at their school are the ones who are average or below (on IEPs or with behavioral issues). 5 does not mean much.


You are absolutely wrong about this.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2017 20:11     Subject: PARC scores
The PARCC is not rocket science at all.
My kids have always received 5's on ELA and math and they're bright but not geniuses.
The only kids receiving 4's or below at their school are the ones who are average or below (on IEPs or with behavioral issues). 5 does not mean much.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2017 19:36     Subject: Re:PARC scores
Oh come on, you're painting with too broad a brush. You don't know if PP assumed that's what it takes. She noted that, these days, with all the parent-generated inputs on the part of the DC literati, no surprise that 5s on the PARCC aren't rare at certain schools. Some kids will score high regardless, particularly if reading is emphasized in the home (easier for schools to teach math than advanced literacy), most won't without kids getting the experiences high SES lifestyles can buy.

Anonymous
Post 06/19/2017 18:04     Subject: Re:PARC scores
Anonymous wrote:Fives certainly aren't rare at our DCPS. With so many highly educated parents in the mix, including SAHMs with multiple graduate degrees, au pairs, tutors, weekend and summer enrichment camps etc., the DCPS curriculum clearly isn't hard enough for many kids. The schools homegrown, PTA funded GT programs help, but not enough.


I have a child who scored 5 on both math and ELA and has none of those things. Even the summer camp choice is fun and not academic. Scored nearly perfect on both.

Not bragging at all because it's not a big deal and people get way too hung up on these scores. Just funny that ^^someone^^ assumes that's what it takes.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2017 16:02     Subject: Re:PARC scores
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Fives certainly aren't rare at our DCPS. With so many highly educated parents in the mix, including SAHMs with multiple graduate degrees, au pairs, tutors, weekend and summer enrichment camps etc., the DCPS curriculum clearly isn't hard enough for many kids. The schools homegrown, PTA funded GT programs help, but not enough.

Not rare in our DCPS either. DS got both 5s, but without highly educated parents- father has high school only, I have bachelor's and even that took me 17 years , I'm not a SAHM, no Au Pairs or tutors, no enrichments. DS does play baseball and that's the only thing he does. He doesn't do all his homework either and makes careless mistakes. He took Parcc last year for the first time and while his English was great (I'm a foreigner with bad English), his math was too close to 4.
This time I told him not to make careless mistakes and if he gets 4 on math this year, I will start checking his homework and add extras. He is a sharp kid, but not like the gifted and hardworking ones. I think it's his peers at school that have helped him do so well. I know my child and therefore I don't think it was a hard test, at least not in 3rd grade. I'm using my glass ball here and will tell you that he will get ELA also 5 in 4th grade, but math will be 4 most likely.
Elementary education has been great thus far, but have to keep an eye out for middle school. I wasn't even into his schooling until he showed up with 5s on Parcc. Seems like he is paying attention at school. He is in one of the WOtP elementary schools and he was better than 75% of his classmates if I'm not mistaken.


I'm sure your indiv child did score well, but where are all these schools that the students are doing so amazingly well, overall PARCC scores do not support that the majority of students are doing well, neither WOTP or EOTP. Banneker if I recall was an exception!

How well do you want them to do? " Amazingly well" you mean 5s only? Found his test result and he did better in math than 72% students in his grade in his school and scored better than 94% of students in grade 3 in his school. I'll get the kid an icecream. There are plenty of kids with 4s and 4s/5s.


4s and 5s are great. Elementary schools that are doing well should have 65-70% of students in that range, especially for the older grades (4th - 5th vs 3rd).

I drill down into the subgroups - students with disabilities and minorities and economically disadvantaged students. The schools that are doing "really well" should also be able to help those kids do well on PARCC.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2017 15:52     Subject: Re:PARC scores
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Fives certainly aren't rare at our DCPS. With so many highly educated parents in the mix, including SAHMs with multiple graduate degrees, au pairs, tutors, weekend and summer enrichment camps etc., the DCPS curriculum clearly isn't hard enough for many kids. The schools homegrown, PTA funded GT programs help, but not enough.

Not rare in our DCPS either. DS got both 5s, but without highly educated parents- father has high school only, I have bachelor's and even that took me 17 years , I'm not a SAHM, no Au Pairs or tutors, no enrichments. DS does play baseball and that's the only thing he does. He doesn't do all his homework either and makes careless mistakes. He took Parcc last year for the first time and while his English was great (I'm a foreigner with bad English), his math was too close to 4.
This time I told him not to make careless mistakes and if he gets 4 on math this year, I will start checking his homework and add extras. He is a sharp kid, but not like the gifted and hardworking ones. I think it's his peers at school that have helped him do so well. I know my child and therefore I don't think it was a hard test, at least not in 3rd grade. I'm using my glass ball here and will tell you that he will get ELA also 5 in 4th grade, but math will be 4 most likely.
Elementary education has been great thus far, but have to keep an eye out for middle school. I wasn't even into his schooling until he showed up with 5s on Parcc. Seems like he is paying attention at school. He is in one of the WOtP elementary schools and he was better than 75% of his classmates if I'm not mistaken.


I'm sure your indiv child did score well, but where are all these schools that the students are doing so amazingly well, overall PARCC scores do not support that the majority of students are doing well, neither WOTP or EOTP. Banneker if I recall was an exception!

How well do you want them to do? " Amazingly well" you mean 5s only? Found his test result and he did better in math than 72% students in his grade in his school and scored better than 94% of students in grade 3 in his school. I'll get the kid an icecream. There are plenty of kids with 4s and 4s/5s.