Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who still chooses to live in flyover country is a dumbass.

Coastal cities are where the economy is. That's where the jobs that matter are, where policy is made, and where people with talent will gravitate.

The middle of the country is the sump that collects the lazy, the stupid, those without ambition, and anyone else too obtuse to figure out where to be.

Democrats are the party of science, learning, education and betterment. By that definition, if you call yourself a Democrat, and subscribe to those values, you live on the coast, either in the northest, or the west coast.

If you call yourself a Dem and live in .... I dunno, someplace I'd never be caught dead in, then guess what? You're an idiot.

It's pretty simple.

This.

The way I see it, landlocked states pretty much cost us the election. I have exactly zero love for red states, or Democrats that choose to live in red states. They should know better. And if they can't figure out that the blue states are where the future is, where the jobs will be, where the growth and investment will be, then they are no smarter than their dumbass trump voting next door neighbor. They all need to be written off.

We need to focus on two things - 1) voter turnout in urban areas. 2) immigration, and bringing new Democrats to America. 3) making sure voter ID laws are struck down in the courts whenever they are passed by racist thug state legislatures.

That is how we will win. Not by courting dumb people who can't figure out they should move

Anonymous wrote:Detroit Mayor Duggan's comments this month on the state of the Democratic Party really resonated with me. I've encountered a lot of disdain for Midwestern Dems while living in DVM. So, so sad. Will the coastal Dems continue to push the Midwesterners away? Anyone know of plans to bring them into the fold? I get the sense that coastal Dems think the Midwesterners are too centrist, and will ultimately be shut out like the Blue Dogs. It is as if the coastal Dems pretend the Midwesterners don't exist.

Here's one Detroit columnist's report:

http://www.freep.com/story/news/columnists/rochelle-riley/2017/06/02/mike-duggan-detroit-democratic-party/362434001/

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who still chooses to live in flyover country is a dumbass.

Coastal cities are where the economy is. That's where the jobs that matter are, where policy is made, and where people with talent will gravitate.

The middle of the country is the sump that collects the lazy, the stupid, those without ambition, and anyone else too obtuse to figure out where to be.

Democrats are the party of science, learning, education and betterment. By that definition, if you call yourself a Democrat, and subscribe to those values, you live on the coast, either in the northest, or the west coast.

If you call yourself a Dem and live in .... I dunno, someplace I'd never be caught dead in, then guess what? You're an idiot.

It's pretty simple.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP again -- based on the Michigan Dems comments in the article, I get the sense that there hasn't been any movement to come together. Their message seems to be no one is listening. It is as frustrating as the lack of bipartisanship in this country.

Like this?

If the Democratic Party doesn't come up with a set of principles and policies that create opportunity for people who haven't had it, I think a third party is going to emerge.


First of all I hear a LOT about Dems supporting higher minimum wages, free college, etc. But all that is rather academic when they have no control over any branch of the federal govt. People ARE doing things in states, from Nevada to New York. Meanwhile the rule of law is under attack, so it seems pretty reasonable to focus on that. And on fighting what is being done at the federal level to go backwards - on health care, on financial regs, etc.

So, again, I am not sure of what they want, and whom they are addressing. They want Pelosi to drop focus on defending the republic and create a plan for the auto industry?

OTOH this probably sounds good in Michigan, so more power to them.

but congresspeople are going to represent their own regions interests as they always have. Congressional leadership is going to balance. A national policy will wait for 2020 in all likelihood.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP again -- based on the Michigan Dems comments in the article, I get the sense that there hasn't been any movement to come together. Their message seems to be no one is listening. It is as frustrating as the lack of bipartisanship in this country.

Like this?

If the Democratic Party doesn't come up with a set of principles and policies that create opportunity for people who haven't had it, I think a third party is going to emerge.


First of all I hear a LOT about Dems supporting higher minimum wages, free college, etc. But all that is rather academic when they have no control over any branch of the federal govt. People ARE doing things in states, from Nevada to New York. Meanwhile the rule of law is under attack, so it seems pretty reasonable to focus on that. And on fighting what is being done at the federal level to go backwards - on health care, on financial regs, etc.

So, again, I am not sure of what they want, and whom they are addressing. They want Pelosi to drop focus on defending the republic and create a plan for the auto industry?

OTOH this probably sounds good in Michigan, so more power to them.

but congresspeople are going to represent their own regions interests as they always have. Congressional leadership is going to balance. A national policy will wait for 2020 in all likelihood.

Anonymous wrote:OP again -- based on the Michigan Dems comments in the article, I get the sense that there hasn't been any movement to come together. Their message seems to be no one is listening. It is as frustrating as the lack of bipartisanship in this country.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who still chooses to live in flyover country is a dumbass.

Coastal cities are where the economy is. That's where the jobs that matter are, where policy is made, and where people with talent will gravitate.

The middle of the country is the sump that collects the lazy, the stupid, those without ambition, and anyone else too obtuse to figure out where to be.

Democrats are the party of science, learning, education and betterment. By that definition, if you call yourself a Democrat, and subscribe to those values, you live on the coast, either in the northest, or the west coast.

If you call yourself a Dem and live in .... I dunno, someplace I'd never be caught dead in, then guess what? You're an idiot.

It's pretty simple.

I guarantee this is a Republican. No Dem I know thinks like this. In fact, they want to see more investment in the Midwestern cities so they can innovate and thrive.

No, I'm pretty sure this is a Democrat. They've been on a rage since they lost the election, but they've sunk to new lows in recent days.

I agree. Based on some of the posts I have seen here, this fits. This type of person is why liberals have been given the “elitist” moniker.
But, I don’t think this thinking is in line with what MOST liberals believe. Just a few who are loud enough to give liberals a bad name.

Anonymous wrote:OP I hope you have some constructive ideas for how we can breach that divide

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who still chooses to live in flyover country is a dumbass.

Coastal cities are where the economy is. That's where the jobs that matter are, where policy is made, and where people with talent will gravitate.

The middle of the country is the sump that collects the lazy, the stupid, those without ambition, and anyone else too obtuse to figure out where to be.

Democrats are the party of science, learning, education and betterment. By that definition, if you call yourself a Democrat, and subscribe to those values, you live on the coast, either in the northest, or the west coast.

If you call yourself a Dem and live in .... I dunno, someplace I'd never be caught dead in, then guess what? You're an idiot.

It's pretty simple.

I guarantee this is a Republican. No Dem I know thinks like this. In fact, they want to see more investment in the Midwestern cities so they can innovate and thrive.

No, I'm pretty sure this is a Democrat. They've been on a rage since they lost the election, but they've sunk to new lows in recent days.

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who still chooses to live in flyover country is a dumbass.

Coastal cities are where the economy is. That's where the jobs that matter are, where policy is made, and where people with talent will gravitate.

The middle of the country is the sump that collects the lazy, the stupid, those without ambition, and anyone else too obtuse to figure out where to be.

Democrats are the party of science, learning, education and betterment. By that definition, if you call yourself a Democrat, and subscribe to those values, you live on the coast, either in the northest, or the west coast.

If you call yourself a Dem and live in .... I dunno, someplace I'd never be caught dead in, then guess what? You're an idiot.

It's pretty simple.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who still chooses to live in flyover country is a dumbass.

Coastal cities are where the economy is. That's where the jobs that matter are, where policy is made, and where people with talent will gravitate.

The middle of the country is the sump that collects the lazy, the stupid, those without ambition, and anyone else too obtuse to figure out where to be.

Democrats are the party of science, learning, education and betterment. By that definition, if you call yourself a Democrat, and subscribe to those values, you live on the coast, either in the northest, or the west coast.

If you call yourself a Dem and live in .... I dunno, someplace I'd never be caught dead in, then guess what? You're an idiot.

It's pretty simple.

I guarantee this is a Republican. No Dem I know thinks like this. In fact, they want to see more investment in the Midwestern cities so they can innovate and thrive.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who still chooses to live in flyover country is a dumbass.

Coastal cities are where the economy is. That's where the jobs that matter are, where policy is made, and where people with talent will gravitate.

The middle of the country is the sump that collects the lazy, the stupid, those without ambition, and anyone else too obtuse to figure out where to be.

Democrats are the party of science, learning, education and betterment. By that definition, if you call yourself a Democrat, and subscribe to those values, you live on the coast, either in the northest, or the west coast.

If you call yourself a Dem and live in .... I dunno, someplace I'd never be caught dead in, then guess what? You're an idiot.

It's pretty simple.

I guarantee this is a Republican. No Dem I know thinks like this. In fact, they want to see more investment in the Midwestern cities so they can innovate and thrive.

+1

The focus that I am keenly aware of is to develop 'flyover' country so that it can be more economically feasible for people to work where they want to live & to drive economic development to rural areas. The future is not going to be in physical labor, the future is in technology. The more we can do to develop a workforce that can support that, the better off we will be.

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who still chooses to live in flyover country is a dumbass.

Coastal cities are where the economy is. That's where the jobs that matter are, where policy is made, and where people with talent will gravitate.

The middle of the country is the sump that collects the lazy, the stupid, those without ambition, and anyone else too obtuse to figure out where to be.

Democrats are the party of science, learning, education and betterment. By that definition, if you call yourself a Democrat, and subscribe to those values, you live on the coast, either in the northest, or the west coast.

If you call yourself a Dem and live in .... I dunno, someplace I'd never be caught dead in, then guess what? You're an idiot.

It's pretty simple.