Anonymous
Post 06/03/2017 12:54     Subject: Washington Post Article - Disability
My problem with this article was that it plays into the right wing trope that these benefits are scams and most people are abusing he system, . It a written to make it clear that the only thing wrong with those twins is sh*tty parenting. The one trying the hardest is the one who appears to be the one who would be entitled to benefits no matter what. No matter what system you've got, some people are going to game it. It's the price you pay for agreeing to take care of the most vulnerable. If this article was all I knew about how disability was done in the US, I'd be saying "cut it off" too.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2017 12:42     Subject: Washington Post Article - Disability
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Everyone in the disability and antipoverty advocacy community is pretty furious with the WaPo and that article. Ditto for the recent NPR coverage on Hale, AL.

The problem isn't the benefits or people. The problem is much bigger: it's the failing American system that ignored the plight of failing communities, allowing the education system to fail and ignoring corporate abandonment. Plus, no real access to healthcare.

Imagine what your options might be if you were born and raised in a Podunk town with crummy schools, opioid addiction running rampant, zero jobs, and no hope. You can't "just move." These people don't have money or options.

Ever been to Selma, AL? That's a city...a city where Applebees wasn't willing to take the risk and open a restaurant because it wouldn't have a customer base equipped to eat out or entry level staff with sufficient literacy skills to run a cash register. And that's a city.


OP here. I don't understand how a presumably factual article is something to be furious over. Of course there are larger systemic issues at play, but people operate within the constraints they're allowed to. It's just a look at one way disability benefits are used. In this family's eyes, it's completely legitimate.

What I find the most sad is what the article glosses over. How was a woman with Down syndrome, the mental capacity of a 13/14 year old, and no means of support besides a disability check given the opportunity to get pregnant not one but three times? There needs to be some personal responsibility here.


+1000
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2017 12:34     Subject: Washington Post Article - Disability
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Everyone in the disability and antipoverty advocacy community is pretty furious with the WaPo and that article. Ditto for the recent NPR coverage on Hale, AL.

The problem isn't the benefits or people. The problem is much bigger: it's the failing American system that ignored the plight of failing communities, allowing the education system to fail and ignoring corporate abandonment. Plus, no real access to healthcare.

Imagine what your options might be if you were born and raised in a Podunk town with crummy schools, opioid addiction running rampant, zero jobs, and no hope. You can't "just move." These people don't have money or options.

Ever been to Selma, AL? That's a city...a city where Applebees wasn't willing to take the risk and open a restaurant because it wouldn't have a customer base equipped to eat out or entry level staff with sufficient literacy skills to run a cash register. And that's a city.


Um no. Do you speak for everyone in the disability and anti poverty community? Are you even disabled? Because I am, permanently, physically disabled, from birth. Your post does not reflect any of our view points of a true disabled community. We are pissed at the article subjects. These people are gaming the system, making it much harder for legitimate disabled people from getting the services they need to live productive, independent and fulfilling lives. The people in the article are pill shopping (it was glossed over, the main lady goes to a pain clinic and needs more meds because she's been taking more than prescribed, for scoliosis, which I also have, and it has to be severe to keep you from working). They self diagnose based on internet searches and being picky about flatware. They use the disability money not for therapies but for Internet, cable and cell phones. The only one who has a legitimate claim for disability is the woman with mosaic downs (if you don't know what that is, google it). Mosaic means the downs isn't found in every cell of her body (hence her face lacks he typical downs facial features). But there is no reason she cannot live a fulfilling life. There are so many good programs meant just for people like her, to get an education, to get life skills, to get a paying job, to live on her own. Instead she's been reduced to house keeper, cook and child care. It's abuse in my opinion.

We want a regular life. We may need help in certain areas but we want what everyone else wants. A happy, independent life. This is about a year old but this is a short explanation of what the actual disability community still needs and wants, hardly any of it seems to honestly effect the article's
family. https://youtu.be/VN_UNwcG8_8


We're on the same page, pp. I'm the person you quoted. I've dedicated my career over the last two decades fighting for antipoverty initiatives.

Advocates are upset with the WaPo for essentially highlighting outliers. These are critical safety net programs and people rely on them for legitimate reason. This is akin to fostering dangerous stereotypes like welfare queens who use food stamps to buy lobster at whole foods. Has someone some that before? Perhaps. Is that what most people are doing? Absolutely not.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2017 12:30     Subject: Washington Post Article - Disability
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Everyone in the disability and antipoverty advocacy community is pretty furious with the WaPo and that article. Ditto for the recent NPR coverage on Hale, AL.

The problem isn't the benefits or people. The problem is much bigger: it's the failing American system that ignored the plight of failing communities, allowing the education system to fail and ignoring corporate abandonment. Plus, no real access to healthcare.

Imagine what your options might be if you were born and raised in a Podunk town with crummy schools, opioid addiction running rampant, zero jobs, and no hope. You can't "just move." These people don't have money or options.

Ever been to Selma, AL? That's a city...a city where Applebees wasn't willing to take the risk and open a restaurant because it wouldn't have a customer base equipped to eat out or entry level staff with sufficient literacy skills to run a cash register. And that's a city.


The article states that education discouraged. Also there are jobs there, but jobs that Americans refused to do. The migrants are doing the work.


As I said, the advocates whose FT jobs focus on disability rights and antipoverty initiatives aren't pleased with this article. They think it's sloppy journalism and not grounded in fact. It's also fueling Trump's move to cut critical programs.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2017 11:46     Subject: Washington Post Article - Disability
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry but if this article was about a Black family in an urban area in, say Chicago or Atlanta and they were pulling in $2k a month in "disability," plus food stamps, people would be ready to riot talking about "welfare queens" and people cheating the system.



Except that already happens in hundreds of thousands of cases, and no one cares.


Feeble attempt with your dog whistle troll


Lol yes they do care. If this same article was about an urban Black family people on right wing websites would be FURIOUS. These people are literally living off their kid's disability benefits! Why does an 11 year old who isn't seriously disabled (like serious intellectual disabilities, wheelchair bound for life, serious medical needs) need $1000 a month or whatever in disability, anyway?
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2017 11:40     Subject: Washington Post Article - Disability
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yesterday's Post had an article called "Generations Disabled" that I found pretty interesting. I have been lucky enough in my life not to have any experience with this sort of thing, but I really feel for the kids in this environment who are "labeled" and thus enabled to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. How does this cycle even stop?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/local/2017/06/02/generations-disabled/?hpid=hp_rhp-more-top-stories_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.dcd71507a0df


Free money. That's how they survive. Instead of disciplining, educating, and properly feeding those kids, grandma wants a government check and pour pills down their throats


All the wealthy families around here are pouring 2x the number of pills down their kids' throats so that they can work and not get a call from the school.
Every rich kid with any kind of issue around here in the rich area is ' autistic' too - because the parents want the benefits of free therapies for them.
People around here are WAY worse about that kind of thing . People around here falsely pile up the govt benefits for their kid way more. Those people actually need more therapies for their kids and they probably get nothing. Move those people to Fairfax and they'll get benefits for their kids .

The disability checks are a bit much. I do wonder how the mom or grandma or whatever she is can find childcare for her adult disabled child to work? I doubt that that Down syndrome daughter can be left alone .


This!! I find it outrageous to read in DCUM demanding free therapies, IEPs for their special snowflake at the expense of everyone around them. They scream "Its the law!" It's a rich person version of a welfare queen.


Of course it's the rich person's version of welfare. But they would never call it welfare. Other people get welfare, not them. And why are kids receiving checks.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2017 11:38     Subject: Washington Post Article - Disability
Anonymous wrote:Everyone in the disability and antipoverty advocacy community is pretty furious with the WaPo and that article. Ditto for the recent NPR coverage on Hale, AL.

The problem isn't the benefits or people. The problem is much bigger: it's the failing American system that ignored the plight of failing communities, allowing the education system to fail and ignoring corporate abandonment. Plus, no real access to healthcare.

Imagine what your options might be if you were born and raised in a Podunk town with crummy schools, opioid addiction running rampant, zero jobs, and no hope. You can't "just move." These people don't have money or options.

Ever been to Selma, AL? That's a city...a city where Applebees wasn't willing to take the risk and open a restaurant because it wouldn't have a customer base equipped to eat out or entry level staff with sufficient literacy skills to run a cash register. And that's a city.


Um no. Do you speak for everyone in the disability and anti poverty community? Are you even disabled? Because I am, permanently, physically disabled, from birth. Your post does not reflect any of our view points of a true disabled community. We are pissed at the article subjects. These people are gaming the system, making it much harder for legitimate disabled people from getting the services they need to live productive, independent and fulfilling lives. The people in the article are pill shopping (it was glossed over, the main lady goes to a pain clinic and needs more meds because she's been taking more than prescribed, for scoliosis, which I also have, and it has to be severe to keep you from working). They self diagnose based on internet searches and being picky about flatware. They use the disability money not for therapies but for Internet, cable and cell phones. The only one who has a legitimate claim for disability is the woman with mosaic downs (if you don't know what that is, google it). Mosaic means the downs isn't found in every cell of her body (hence her face lacks he typical downs facial features). But there is no reason she cannot live a fulfilling life. There are so many good programs meant just for people like her, to get an education, to get life skills, to get a paying job, to live on her own. Instead she's been reduced to house keeper, cook and child care. It's abuse in my opinion.

We want a regular life. We may need help in certain areas but we want what everyone else wants. A happy, independent life. This is about a year old but this is a short explanation of what the actual disability community still needs and wants, hardly any of it seems to honestly effect the article's
family. https://youtu.be/VN_UNwcG8_8
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2017 11:33     Subject: Washington Post Article - Disability
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Everyone in the disability and antipoverty advocacy community is pretty furious with the WaPo and that article. Ditto for the recent NPR coverage on Hale, AL.

The problem isn't the benefits or people. The problem is much bigger: it's the failing American system that ignored the plight of failing communities, allowing the education system to fail and ignoring corporate abandonment. Plus, no real access to healthcare.

Imagine what your options might be if you were born and raised in a Podunk town with crummy schools, opioid addiction running rampant, zero jobs, and no hope. You can't "just move." These people don't have money or options.

Ever been to Selma, AL? That's a city...a city where Applebees wasn't willing to take the risk and open a restaurant because it wouldn't have a customer base equipped to eat out or entry level staff with sufficient literacy skills to run a cash register. And that's a city.


The article states that education discouraged. Also there are jobs there, but jobs that Americans refused to do. The migrants are doing the work.


The migrants don't lose their Medicaid and food stamps when they make $10 over the income limits and then have to reapply for those benefits and wait for them to kick in.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2017 10:46     Subject: Washington Post Article - Disability
I read that article and I was pissed by the end of it. I live around a family similar to this and everytime I see them, I want to scream "go get a job".

I have nothing against truly disabled people but those who scam the system piss me off. I feel the same way about welfare.

I had one lady call me a bitch because I wouldn't give her any money so she could feed her 3 kids. I shot back that it's her responsibility and if you can afford to buy your kids the latest gadgets then you can afford to feed them.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2017 10:30     Subject: Washington Post Article - Disability
Anonymous wrote:Disability is the new welfare. When the unemployment check stops and the jobs left, millions went on disability to survive. There are no jobs in these places. in fact there may never be jobs in the US for people like this. This is the new America. It's understandable that people are anti-immigrant. Not enough jobs to go around.


+1

In the story presented I have no doubt that the 4yr old will be diagnosed soon with a disability and that the mother will encourage her disabled daughter to get pregnant again.

I am glad the neighbors called her out when she tried to start and online fundraiser instead of working.

The same situation is occurring in inner cities as well. Most of those families have this same story. Welfare families simply shifted from welfare to disability.

If you get pregnant on welfare or disability - there should be a change - terminate, place for private adoption with zero "birth mother expenses" paid, or lose all benefits and figure it out how to afford your kids yourself. I know it's mean but years and years of anti poverty programs have done nothing.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2017 10:26     Subject: Washington Post Article - Disability
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yesterday's Post had an article called "Generations Disabled" that I found pretty interesting. I have been lucky enough in my life not to have any experience with this sort of thing, but I really feel for the kids in this environment who are "labeled" and thus enabled to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. How does this cycle even stop?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/local/2017/06/02/generations-disabled/?hpid=hp_rhp-more-top-stories_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.dcd71507a0df


Free money. That's how they survive. Instead of disciplining, educating, and properly feeding those kids, grandma wants a government check and pour pills down their throats


All the wealthy families around here are pouring 2x the number of pills down their kids' throats so that they can work and not get a call from the school.
Every rich kid with any kind of issue around here in the rich area is ' autistic' too - because the parents want the benefits of free therapies for them.
People around here are WAY worse about that kind of thing . People around here falsely pile up the govt benefits for their kid way more. Those people actually need more therapies for their kids and they probably get nothing. Move those people to Fairfax and they'll get benefits for their kids .

The disability checks are a bit much. I do wonder how the mom or grandma or whatever she is can find childcare for her adult disabled child to work? I doubt that that Down syndrome daughter can be left alone .


This!! I find it outrageous to read in DCUM demanding free therapies, IEPs for their special snowflake at the expense of everyone around them. They scream "Its the law!" It's a rich person version of a welfare queen.


you are a horrible person with no understanding of parents or children with disabilities.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2017 10:21     Subject: Washington Post Article - Disability
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Everyone in the disability and antipoverty advocacy community is pretty furious with the WaPo and that article. Ditto for the recent NPR coverage on Hale, AL.

The problem isn't the benefits or people. The problem is much bigger: it's the failing American system that ignored the plight of failing communities, allowing the education system to fail and ignoring corporate abandonment. Plus, no real access to healthcare.

Imagine what your options might be if you were born and raised in a Podunk town with crummy schools, opioid addiction running rampant, zero jobs, and no hope. You can't "just move." These people don't have money or options.

Ever been to Selma, AL? That's a city...a city where Applebees wasn't willing to take the risk and open a restaurant because it wouldn't have a customer base equipped to eat out or entry level staff with sufficient literacy skills to run a cash register. And that's a city.


OP here. I don't understand how a presumably factual article is something to be furious over. Of course there are larger systemic issues at play, but people operate within the constraints they're allowed to. It's just a look at one way disability benefits are used. In this family's eyes, it's completely legitimate.

What I find the most sad is what the article glosses over. How was a woman with Down syndrome, the mental capacity of a 13/14 year old, and no means of support besides a disability check given the opportunity to get pregnant not one but three times? There needs to be some personal responsibility here.


Her three kids were supposed to get checks - they were taken off disability at some point, and the family lost $1000/mo. They absolutely allowed her to get pregnant and give birth so that her children's disability checks could add to their coffers.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2017 10:18     Subject: Washington Post Article - Disability
Anonymous wrote:Everyone in the disability and antipoverty advocacy community is pretty furious with the WaPo and that article. Ditto for the recent NPR coverage on Hale, AL.

The problem isn't the benefits or people. The problem is much bigger: it's the failing American system that ignored the plight of failing communities, allowing the education system to fail and ignoring corporate abandonment. Plus, no real access to healthcare.

Imagine what your options might be if you were born and raised in a Podunk town with crummy schools, opioid addiction running rampant, zero jobs, and no hope. You can't "just move." These people don't have money or options.

Ever been to Selma, AL? That's a city...a city where Applebees wasn't willing to take the risk and open a restaurant because it wouldn't have a customer base equipped to eat out or entry level staff with sufficient literacy skills to run a cash register. And that's a city.


Wait, are you talking about Baltimore? No, because those people are black? Same shit, different city. The overt racism rose color racist glasses are incredible. SMH.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2017 10:12     Subject: Washington Post Article - Disability
Anonymous wrote:I found the article really sad.

IMO, the solution is to pay men and woman to be sterilized. Less children, less expenses.

The cycle must be broken.

Flame away.


+1 except I think we need to go further and just cut off all funding for 1.5 generations. Let nature take its course and correct its self.
And I'm atheist, so don't cudgel me with the bad Christian trope.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2017 10:06     Subject: Washington Post Article - Disability
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yesterday's Post had an article called "Generations Disabled" that I found pretty interesting. I have been lucky enough in my life not to have any experience with this sort of thing, but I really feel for the kids in this environment who are "labeled" and thus enabled to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. How does this cycle even stop?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/local/2017/06/02/generations-disabled/?hpid=hp_rhp-more-top-stories_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.dcd71507a0df


Free money. That's how they survive. Instead of disciplining, educating, and properly feeding those kids, grandma wants a government check and pour pills down their throats


All the wealthy families around here are pouring 2x the number of pills down their kids' throats so that they can work and not get a call from the school.
Every rich kid with any kind of issue around here in the rich area is ' autistic' too - because the parents want the benefits of free therapies for them.
People around here are WAY worse about that kind of thing . People around here falsely pile up the govt benefits for their kid way more. Those people actually need more therapies for their kids and they probably get nothing. Move those people to Fairfax and they'll get benefits for their kids .

The disability checks are a bit much. I do wonder how the mom or grandma or whatever she is can find childcare for her adult disabled child to work? I doubt that that Down syndrome daughter can be left alone .


This!! I find it outrageous to read in DCUM demanding free therapies, IEPs for their special snowflake at the expense of everyone around them. They scream "Its the law!" It's a rich person version of a welfare queen.