PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This is not about his personal views. Spencer is a very public figure who is vocal about his antiquates beliefs. He advertises and monetizes his prejudice and hatred - it's not some private dinner table ideas.

Well ok, but how do you define "hatred?" Does opposing same-sex marriage make one a hater?(Buchanan and Ken Cuccinelli fall into this camp) Or is i just racist comments that would make someone a hater?

I'm biracial. He thinks people like me are unnatural. I feel pretty confident that this qualifies as him hating me and people like me.

But why should holding this view get his gym membership revoked?

It's a private club.

I am VERY curious if you're one of those people who thinks that businesses have freedom of religion and should be able to discriminate against gay people.

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not about his personal views. Spencer is a very public figure who is vocal about his antiquates beliefs. He advertises and monetizes his prejudice and hatred - it's not some private dinner table ideas.

Well ok, but how do you define "hatred?" Does opposing same-sex marriage make one a hater?(Buchanan and Ken Cuccinelli fall into this camp) Or is i just racist comments that would make someone a hater?

I'm biracial. He thinks people like me are unnatural. I feel pretty confident that this qualifies as him hating me and people like me.

But why should holding this view get his gym membership revoked?

Again, it's not his private personal view that he talks about with a buddy at the dinner table - he is extremely public, advertised these "ideas" as his livelihood, encourages others to congregate about it, to shout it from the rooftops that people - like me - are less than. I find that dangerous and personally threatening. Maybe you don't, and you're likely not part of a demographic he targets as a societal sub value, based solely on my genes.

OP, Richard Spencer's views are reprehensible. Period.

It does seem that Fair has a problem with the first amendment:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2017/01/06/muslim-woman-who-voted-for-trump-asks-georgetown-to-intervene-over-professors-hateful-vulgar-messages/?utm_term=.da0086df2c81

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not about his personal views. Spencer is a very public figure who is vocal about his antiquates beliefs. He advertises and monetizes his prejudice and hatred - it's not some private dinner table ideas.

Well ok, but how do you define "hatred?" Does opposing same-sex marriage make one a hater?(Buchanan and Ken Cuccinelli fall into this camp) Or is i just racist comments that would make someone a hater?

I'm biracial. He thinks people like me are unnatural. I feel pretty confident that this qualifies as him hating me and people like me.

But why should holding this view get his gym membership revoked?

As I said earlier, these concepts are difficult for fans of Pat Buchanan.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not about his personal views. Spencer is a very public figure who is vocal about his antiquates beliefs. He advertises and monetizes his prejudice and hatred - it's not some private dinner table ideas.

Well ok, but how do you define "hatred?" Does opposing same-sex marriage make one a hater?(Buchanan and Ken Cuccinelli fall into this camp) Or is i just racist comments that would make someone a hater?

Clearly you were not paying attention in high school history class

Spencer has popularized the term “alt-right” to describe the movement he leads. Spencer has said his dream is “a new society, an ethno-state that would be a gathering point for all Europeans,” and has called for “peaceful ethnic cleansing.”

“America was until this past generation a white country designed for ourselves and our posterity,” Spencer said. “It is our creation, it is our inheritance, and it belongs to us.”

The audience offered cheers, applause, and enthusiastic Nazi salutes.

Here is the video, excerpted from an Atlantic documentary profile of Spencer that will premiere in December 2016.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/508379/

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not about his personal views. Spencer is a very public figure who is vocal about his antiquates beliefs. He advertises and monetizes his prejudice and hatred - it's not some private dinner table ideas.

Well ok, but how do you define "hatred?" Does opposing same-sex marriage make one a hater?(Buchanan and Ken Cuccinelli fall into this camp) Or is i just racist comments that would make someone a hater?

I'm biracial. He thinks people like me are unnatural. I feel pretty confident that this qualifies as him hating me and people like me.

But why should holding this view get his gym membership revoked?

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is not about his personal views. Spencer is a very public figure who is vocal about his antiquates beliefs. He advertises and monetizes his prejudice and hatred - it's not some private dinner table ideas.

Well ok, but how do you define "hatred?" Does opposing same-sex marriage make one a hater?(Buchanan and Ken Cuccinelli fall into this camp) Or is i just racist comments that would make someone a hater?

I'm biracial. He thinks people like me are unnatural. I feel pretty confident that this qualifies as him hating me and people like me.

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the story about this in the WaPo. I agree that the professor should have been kicked out, too -- you shouldn't yell at patrons. That said, a private gym has the right to exclude Nazis if they want to.

The gym certainly has the right to do it. I just don't understand why they did it. Before long, Right-wingers will have to establish private gyms exclusively for Right-wingers.

OP, right-wingers are welcome at any gym. Richard Spencer is not "a right-winger".

I think the gym could have taken a courageous stand and kept him on. However, their business model is increasing the number of satisfied gym-goers, not reducing it. So they kicked out the problematic gym-goer.

Right. I agree it's the right move from a business prospective. Where do you draw the line though? Let's say Pat Buchanan worked out at a gym, and was confronted by someone. Do you think he should be booted out? How do you decide who's welcome and who's not?

Someone that calls for ethnic cleansing. Out.

It's not difficult. Really.

When Spencer says "ethnic cleansing", he's not talking about killing minorities. He's talking about moving them to an area away from whites.(he's a "white separatist") I totally disagree with him on this, but just trying to clarify his position.

He also is outspoken about not believing in "racial mixing." I'm biracial. I'm also a long-time member of the gym he was terminated from. You think it's in any way ok to allow a guy in, who publicly gives speeches on why someone like me shouldn't even exist? This bullshit needs to be nipped in the bud, and I'm proud of S&H for revoking his membership.

Things maybe could have been handled better or done in a different way, but good riddance. I'm horrified that he had the nerve to ask one of the black trainers to step in - what a cowardly lowlife.

Anonymous wrote:This is not about his personal views. Spencer is a very public figure who is vocal about his antiquates beliefs. He advertises and monetizes his prejudice and hatred - it's not some private dinner table ideas.

Well ok, but how do you define "hatred?" Does opposing same-sex marriage make one a hater?(Buchanan and Ken Cuccinelli fall into this camp) Or is i just racist comments that would make someone a hater?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the story about this in the WaPo. I agree that the professor should have been kicked out, too -- you shouldn't yell at patrons. That said, a private gym has the right to exclude Nazis if they want to.

The gym certainly has the right to do it. I just don't understand why they did it. Before long, Right-wingers will have to establish private gyms exclusively for Right-wingers.

OP, right-wingers are welcome at any gym. Richard Spencer is not "a right-winger".

I think the gym could have taken a courageous stand and kept him on. However, their business model is increasing the number of satisfied gym-goers, not reducing it. So they kicked out the problematic gym-goer.

Right. I agree it's the right move from a business prospective. Where do you draw the line though? Let's say Pat Buchanan worked out at a gym, and was confronted by someone. Do you think he should be booted out? How do you decide who's welcome and who's not?

Someone that calls for ethnic cleansing. Out.

It's not difficult. Really.

Oh I think that it is difficult, if you're a fan of Pat Buchanan.

Can Pat beat this?


About Richard Bertrand Spencer

Spencer advocates for an Aryan homeland for the supposedly dispossessed white race and calls for “peaceful ethnic cleansing” to halt the “deconstruction” of European culture. But even some of the Europeans he lionizes have rejected him; in October 2014, his attempt to hold an NPI conference in Budapest, Hungary, resulted in his arrest and expulsion.

In His Own Words

“Martin Luther King Jr., a fraud and degenerate in his life, has become the symbol and cynosure of White Dispossession and the deconstruction of Occidental civilization. We must overcome!”

– National Policy Institute column, January 2014

“Immigration is a kind a proxy war—and maybe a last stand—for White Americans, who are undergoing a painful recognition that, unless dramatic action is taken, their grandchildren will live in a country that is alien and hostile.”

– National Policy Institute column, February 2014

“Our dream is a new society, an ethno-state that would be a gathering point for all Europeans. It would be a new society based on very different ideals than, say, the Declaration of Independence."

– Quoted by Vice, October 2013

“When we hear any professional ‘Latino’ support this or that social program, we sense in our guts that her policy proscriptions are rationalizations for nationalism. She might say ‘more immigration is good’; she means ‘The Anglos are finished!’”

– Speech at the 2013 American Renaissance conference

“What blocks our progress is the meme that has been carefully implanted in White people’s minds over the course of decades of programming, from Mississippi Burning to Lee Daniel's The Butler—that any kind of positive racial feeling among Whites is inherently evil and stupid and derives solely from bigotry and resentment. And that the political and social advancement of non-Whites is inherently moral and wonderful.”

– National Policy Institute column, September 2013

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/richard-bertrand-spencer-0

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the story about this in the WaPo. I agree that the professor should have been kicked out, too -- you shouldn't yell at patrons. That said, a private gym has the right to exclude Nazis if they want to.

The gym certainly has the right to do it. I just don't understand why they did it. Before long, Right-wingers will have to establish private gyms exclusively for Right-wingers.

OP, right-wingers are welcome at any gym. Richard Spencer is not "a right-winger".

I think the gym could have taken a courageous stand and kept him on. However, their business model is increasing the number of satisfied gym-goers, not reducing it. So they kicked out the problematic gym-goer.

Right. I agree it's the right move from a business prospective. Where do you draw the line though? Let's say Pat Buchanan worked out at a gym, and was confronted by someone. Do you think he should be booted out? How do you decide who's welcome and who's not?

Someone that calls for ethnic cleansing. Out.

It's not difficult. Really.

When Spencer says "ethnic cleansing", he's not talking about killing minorities. He's talking about moving them to an area away from whites.(he's a "white separatist") I totally disagree with him on this, but just trying to clarify his position.

This is not about his personal views. Spencer is a very public figure who is vocal about his antiquates beliefs. He advertises and monetizes his prejudice and hatred - it's not some private dinner table ideas.

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the story about this in the WaPo. I agree that the professor should have been kicked out, too -- you shouldn't yell at patrons. That said, a private gym has the right to exclude Nazis if they want to.

The gym certainly has the right to do it. I just don't understand why they did it. Before long, Right-wingers will have to establish private gyms exclusively for Right-wingers.

OP, right-wingers are welcome at any gym. Richard Spencer is not "a right-winger".

I think the gym could have taken a courageous stand and kept him on. However, their business model is increasing the number of satisfied gym-goers, not reducing it. So they kicked out the problematic gym-goer.

Right. I agree it's the right move from a business prospective. Where do you draw the line though? Let's say Pat Buchanan worked out at a gym, and was confronted by someone. Do you think he should be booted out? How do you decide who's welcome and who's not?

Someone that calls for ethnic cleansing. Out.

It's not difficult. Really.

Oh I think that it is difficult, if you're a fan of Pat Buchanan.

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the story about this in the WaPo. I agree that the professor should have been kicked out, too -- you shouldn't yell at patrons. That said, a private gym has the right to exclude Nazis if they want to.

The gym certainly has the right to do it. I just don't understand why they did it. Before long, Right-wingers will have to establish private gyms exclusively for Right-wingers.

OP, right-wingers are welcome at any gym. Richard Spencer is not "a right-winger".

I think the gym could have taken a courageous stand and kept him on. However, their business model is increasing the number of satisfied gym-goers, not reducing it. So they kicked out the problematic gym-goer.

Right. I agree it's the right move from a business prospective. Where do you draw the line though? Let's say Pat Buchanan worked out at a gym, and was confronted by someone. Do you think he should be booted out? How do you decide who's welcome and who's not?

It's an easy line. Pat Buchanan is welcome. Spencer is not.

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PaleoConPrep wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the story about this in the WaPo. I agree that the professor should have been kicked out, too -- you shouldn't yell at patrons. That said, a private gym has the right to exclude Nazis if they want to.

The gym certainly has the right to do it. I just don't understand why they did it. Before long, Right-wingers will have to establish private gyms exclusively for Right-wingers.

OP, right-wingers are welcome at any gym. Richard Spencer is not "a right-winger".

I think the gym could have taken a courageous stand and kept him on. However, their business model is increasing the number of satisfied gym-goers, not reducing it. So they kicked out the problematic gym-goer.

Right. I agree it's the right move from a business prospective. Where do you draw the line though? Let's say Pat Buchanan worked out at a gym, and was confronted by someone. Do you think he should be booted out? How do you decide who's welcome and who's not?

Someone that calls for ethnic cleansing. Out.

It's not difficult. Really.