Anonymous
05/20/2017 20:42
Subject: The Culprits Behind White Flight
LOL - did anyone read OP's post? It had two paragraphs from a NY Times opinion piece and one paragraph from a somewhat fringe Catholic book.
How did the thread become about how the NY Times as Washington Post having bias? Where do you people get your news? Fair and Balanced from Fox News? Infowars perhaps? Oh I know, you use your brilliant reading comprehension and critical thinking skills, evidenced so clearly by your inability to understand this thread.
The timing of the hostility to the Times and Post is also interesting and suggests DCUM has a sizeable contingent of Trumpkins frustrated their Fuhrer is getting creamed.
Threads like this one make me want to quit DCUM.
How did the thread become about how the NY Times as Washington Post having bias? Where do you people get your news? Fair and Balanced from Fox News? Infowars perhaps? Oh I know, you use your brilliant reading comprehension and critical thinking skills, evidenced so clearly by your inability to understand this thread.
The timing of the hostility to the Times and Post is also interesting and suggests DCUM has a sizeable contingent of Trumpkins frustrated their Fuhrer is getting creamed.
Threads like this one make me want to quit DCUM.
Anonymous
05/20/2017 19:02
Subject: The Culprits Behind White Flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I can't read the Times anymore. Political crap posing as journalism.
I'm a democrat and I'm starting to feel the same way.
+1
I'm a moderate. I'm adding the Washington Post. They are even worse than the Times. I wish it would burn down.
Really it was the media itself that drove me to quit being a democrat and go independent. Also to stop reading and watching and listening to the media I grew up on. Unreliable narrators.
But to get back to the topic, my very liberal pro civil rights democratic relatives fled Detroit due to riots and skyrocketing violent crime. They sought safety, plain and simple.
Anonymous
05/20/2017 10:35
Subject: Re:The Culprits Behind White Flight
White people may be responsible for areas becoming all black but black people must take responsibility for them becoming ghettos.
Anonymous
05/20/2017 06:03
Subject: Re:The Culprits Behind White Flight
Baltimore is a case study of the impact of racism on residential patterns and white flight on so many levels.
Beginning in the 1950s real estate agents started to target white neighborhoods through a practice called blockbusting, by buying a house, reselling it to a black family then going around the neighborhood and warning the residents that a black invasion was about to happen and they needed to sell now before property prices plunged. In panic, most white homeowners did sell houses below market value before it was "too late" and the realtor firms resold the houses to black buyers at high markups.
The neighborhoods targeted were primarily working to lower middle class white neighborhoods and often inhabited by descendants of Irish, German, Italian, Polish immigrants, as well as Jewish areas. The realtors who drove the blockbusting mania were primary Jewish, unfortunately. I only say this to show that racial flight was not a war driven by the Waspocracy but racism was something that "white" America, regardless of ethnicity, was responsible for. Ironically given the Times article, in Baltimore it was the most waspy "old money" areas that held their ground even as adjoining areas became majority African American and even slipped into ghetto status. The first black homeowners moved into Guilford, Baltimore's premier neighborhood, in the 1970s and it didn't lead to a white flight. By contrast, the traditional Jewish areas in Northwest Baltimore quickly succumbed to racial flight.
By the way, I am NOT implying or suggesting a Jewish conspiracy or blaming Jews and Jews certainly suffered their own version of housing discrimination too. Only pointing out that all whites were equally complicit in this ugly period of American history.
Not in My Neighborhood: How Bigotry Shaped a Great American City is a great book for anyone interested in studying this subject.
https://www.amazon.com/Not-My-Neighborhood-Bigotry-American/dp/1566638437
Beginning in the 1950s real estate agents started to target white neighborhoods through a practice called blockbusting, by buying a house, reselling it to a black family then going around the neighborhood and warning the residents that a black invasion was about to happen and they needed to sell now before property prices plunged. In panic, most white homeowners did sell houses below market value before it was "too late" and the realtor firms resold the houses to black buyers at high markups.
The neighborhoods targeted were primarily working to lower middle class white neighborhoods and often inhabited by descendants of Irish, German, Italian, Polish immigrants, as well as Jewish areas. The realtors who drove the blockbusting mania were primary Jewish, unfortunately. I only say this to show that racial flight was not a war driven by the Waspocracy but racism was something that "white" America, regardless of ethnicity, was responsible for. Ironically given the Times article, in Baltimore it was the most waspy "old money" areas that held their ground even as adjoining areas became majority African American and even slipped into ghetto status. The first black homeowners moved into Guilford, Baltimore's premier neighborhood, in the 1970s and it didn't lead to a white flight. By contrast, the traditional Jewish areas in Northwest Baltimore quickly succumbed to racial flight.
By the way, I am NOT implying or suggesting a Jewish conspiracy or blaming Jews and Jews certainly suffered their own version of housing discrimination too. Only pointing out that all whites were equally complicit in this ugly period of American history.
Not in My Neighborhood: How Bigotry Shaped a Great American City is a great book for anyone interested in studying this subject.
https://www.amazon.com/Not-My-Neighborhood-Bigotry-American/dp/1566638437
Anonymous
05/19/2017 07:24
Subject: The Culprits Behind White Flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I can't read the Times anymore. Political crap posing as journalism.
I'm a democrat and I'm starting to feel the same way.
+1
I'm a moderate. I'm adding the Washington Post. They are even worse than the Times. I wish it would burn down.
Yeah. You totally sound like it.
Let me add to the list NPR/WAMU. Their newsreaders manage to get through the news without an "editorial" comment, however the hosts of various shows ask leading questions to denigrate Trump and are speechless when the interviewee won't go along with their narrative
It buttered me right after the election because they were so rattled by Trump. I continue to listen to see how once good journalists can't contain their hatred if Trump. Yesterday, a host referred to Trump as "The Donald" in a voice dripping with scorn. They are still pushing listeners to tell them how the "Trump effect" had adversely affected the DC Metro area. They stopped their show "Indivisible" but the bias displayed by airing that program continues.
I posted a comment that the biggest "Trump effect" I saw was the demise of WAMU's impartiality and was blasted in their response. They almost called me a Trumpkin. So sad
Anonymous
05/19/2017 05:02
Subject: The Culprits Behind White Flight
Anonymous wrote:I minored in urban studies and was always puzzled at the implicit message that cities can't function unless they have lots of white people. How is it white peoples fault for crime, public corruption, and dysfunctional leadership? If you're given a 'turn-key' city all you have to do is MAINTAIN it. Yet every major city in the US was destroyed after white flight.
Further validates the decision of the whites to flee.
Anonymous
05/19/2017 01:29
Subject: The Culprits Behind White Flight
I minored in urban studies and was always puzzled at the implicit message that cities can't function unless they have lots of white people. How is it white peoples fault for crime, public corruption, and dysfunctional leadership? If you're given a 'turn-key' city all you have to do is MAINTAIN it. Yet every major city in the US was destroyed after white flight.
Anonymous
05/18/2017 20:40
Subject: The Culprits Behind White Flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I can't read the Times anymore. Political crap posing as journalism.
I'm a democrat and I'm starting to feel the same way.
+1
I'm a moderate. I'm adding the Washington Post. They are even worse than the Times. I wish it would burn down.
I still like the NYtimes, but really only read slate regularly. And Bloomberg .
Hate WaPo.
Anonymous
05/18/2017 20:34
Subject: The Culprits Behind White Flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I can't read the Times anymore. Political crap posing as journalism.
I'm a democrat and I'm starting to feel the same way.
+1
I'm a moderate. I'm adding the Washington Post. They are even worse than the Times. I wish it would burn down.
Yeah. You totally sound like it.
Anonymous
05/18/2017 19:20
Subject: The Culprits Behind White Flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I can't read the Times anymore. Political crap posing as journalism.
I'm a democrat and I'm starting to feel the same way.
+1
I'm a moderate. I'm adding the Washington Post. They are even worse than the Times. I wish it would burn down.
Anonymous
05/18/2017 19:13
Subject: The Culprits Behind White Flight
Interesting when the NYT does these sanctimonious stories but won't go after co-op boards that are the biggest discriminators in housing.
Nor do they discuss red lining, block busting or racial covenants.
Cuts too close to the bone.
Nor do they discuss red lining, block busting or racial covenants.
Cuts too close to the bone.
Anonymous
05/18/2017 19:03
Subject: The Culprits Behind White Flight
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/opinion/white-flight.html
"Not surprisingly, houses on the suburban side of the border have always been a little more expensive than their city counterparts. Using data on 100 border neighborhoods in the 1960s and 1970s, I find that this cross-border housing price gap grew by a few percentage points — to a 7 percent suburban housing price premium from a 5 percent premium — as black migrants flowed into the city, even though new black arrivals lived miles away. Households in these areas were motivated by concerns about how a changing local electorate would affect property taxes and service levels. In fact, for this set of households, what mattered most about the new Southern arrivals crowding into neighborhoods across town was not their race but their lower levels of income.
That doesn’t mean racism wasn’t a motivating factor. For the third of white households near a black enclave in 1940, concerns about new black neighbors was indeed a primary motivation. And those households moved out of the city at a higher rate than others, contributing more than a third to the white exodus. But for the remainder of urban whites, most of whom never interacted with a black family, leaving for the resource-rich suburbs was an economic calculus, one that was accelerated by the steady stream of poor migrants, both white and black, into central cities."
Another interesting hypothesis from Slaughter Of Cities: Urban Renewal As Ethnic Cleansing. https://www.amazon.com/Slaughter-Cities-Renewal-Ethnic-Cleansing/dp/1587317702/ From the Amazon description:
"Urban renewal was the last gasp attempt of the WASP ruling class to take control of a country that was slipping out of its grasp for demographic reasons. The largely Catholic ethnics were to be driven out of their neighborhoods into the suburbs, where they were to be “Americanized” according to WASP principles. The neighborhoods they left behind were to be turned over to the sharecroppers from the South or turned into futuristic Bauhaus enclaves for the new government elites. Using political tactics like eminent domain and “integration,” the planners made sure that the ethnic neighborhood got transformed into something more congenial to their dreams of social engineering than the actual communities of people they saw as a threat to their control."
https://youtu.be/s_2JOyxFTIc
Anonymous
05/18/2017 19:01
Subject: The Culprits Behind White Flight
Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/opinion/white-flight.html
"Not surprisingly, houses on the suburban side of the border have always been a little more expensive than their city counterparts. Using data on 100 border neighborhoods in the 1960s and 1970s, I find that this cross-border housing price gap grew by a few percentage points — to a 7 percent suburban housing price premium from a 5 percent premium — as black migrants flowed into the city, even though new black arrivals lived miles away. Households in these areas were motivated by concerns about how a changing local electorate would affect property taxes and service levels. In fact, for this set of households, what mattered most about the new Southern arrivals crowding into neighborhoods across town was not their race but their lower levels of income.
That doesn’t mean racism wasn’t a motivating factor. For the third of white households near a black enclave in 1940, concerns about new black neighbors was indeed a primary motivation. And those households moved out of the city at a higher rate than others, contributing more than a third to the white exodus. But for the remainder of urban whites, most of whom never interacted with a black family, leaving for the resource-rich suburbs was an economic calculus, one that was accelerated by the steady stream of poor migrants, both white and black, into central cities."
Another interesting hypothesis from Slaughter Of Cities: Urban Renewal As Ethnic Cleansing. https://www.amazon.com/Slaughter-Cities-Renewal-Ethnic-Cleansing/dp/1587317702/ From the Amazon description:
"Urban renewal was the last gasp attempt of the WASP ruling class to take control of a country that was slipping out of its grasp for demographic reasons. The largely Catholic ethnics were to be driven out of their neighborhoods into the suburbs, where they were to be “Americanized” according to WASP principles. The neighborhoods they left behind were to be turned over to the sharecroppers from the South or turned into futuristic Bauhaus enclaves for the new government elites. Using political tactics like eminent domain and “integration,” the planners made sure that the ethnic neighborhood got transformed into something more congenial to their dreams of social engineering than the actual communities of people they saw as a threat to their control."
https://youtu.be/s_2JOyxFTIc
Anonymous
05/18/2017 18:27
Subject: Re:The Culprits Behind White Flight
Anonymous wrote:Are you joking? actually that is exactly what happened- a bunch of white people (not to the entire race , most of whom are not racist) did get together and decide "coloreds over there, whites over here" and whites who rebelled against this social order faced negative consequences.
Not exactly, free market capitalism created an environment where there was a buyer class and a seller class and the buyer class put in protections to ensure they stayed there. White people were just here first or at least made the rules we all agreed to live by first. Classic example of house rules at a national level and yes the house always wins. All men are created equal but they are not born equal and all adults aren't even close to equal.
Every person since makes the choice either consciously or subconsciously to live by the rules, move somewhere with a different set of rules or try to change the rules. Rules always dictate winners and losers as they are literally the selection criteria. And the current winners rarely agree to change them unless made to.
Anonymous
05/18/2017 13:58
Subject: The Culprits Behind White Flight
Anonymous wrote:I can't read the Times anymore. Political crap posing as journalism.
I'm a democrat and I'm starting to feel the same way.