Anonymous
Post 05/16/2017 01:31     Subject: Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You have the education.
You have the career.
You have the money for a home and childcare.
You have IVF at your disposal.

You don't need men.





This is what I'm seeing more and more. Women want the family without a man. If they truly want kids it's going to be with some random guy, a bf, or the sperm bank. No custody battles, no exes bothering them, no ex in laws and all the other horrible dilemmas people get themselves into.

I don't see anything wrong with it. It's all about personal choices.


if this is the case, why is there so much wrangling over child support?
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2017 01:30     Subject: Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life
Anonymous wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/05/13/childish-men-are-to-blame-for-women-having-kids-late-in-life/

The only flaw with this article is that I don't think career-women are necessarily looking for an equal as much as a "better" (higher earner).

"The census labels childless college-educated women over age 35 the “delayer boom” — as if we gathered together in a collective conspiracy in defiance of motherhood.

The trouble with all this finger pointing is that it leaves out half of the baby-making equation: men.

Women want an equal partner, but there are increasingly fewer candidates to choose from. The census reports that “the average adult woman in the US is more likely to be a college graduate than the average adult man.” Moreover, today’s young, childless female city-dwellers with college degrees are out-earning their male counterparts by 8 cents on the dollar. Their higher incomes may be why they are less likely (29 percent) to be living with their parents than single men (35 percent)."


the college graduate stat is pointless. there are a lot of shit colleges that don't deserve to be open and a lot of shit college graduates. marginal women go to college, marginal men (in a classroom sense) go into the military or trades.

there was an article some time ago about women not getting as great of law jobs as men because there are more men at t14's due to men scoring higher on the lsat than women.

Anonymous
Post 05/16/2017 00:53     Subject: Re:Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life
Anonymous wrote:This article basically says he'll never buy the cow if he can get the milk for free. Grandma knew that, it's not new.

Also, men prize different qualities in women than women prize in men. An average looking woman with an ivy league education is not the equal of an average looking man with an ivy education. A female preschool [vimeo]teacher with a hot body has far more dating options than the hot bodied male preschool teacher. Same doesn't mean equal


+1

I have no problem with people marrying later in life, or never marrying, or being older virgins, or whatever. If you're OK with it, then there is no shame in it. Just don't blame the opposite sex for your situation, whatever that may be.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2017 00:33     Subject: Re:Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life
This article basically says he'll never buy the cow if he can get the milk for free. Grandma knew that, it's not new.

Also, men prize different qualities in women than women prize in men. An average looking woman with an ivy league education is not the equal of an average looking man with an ivy education. A female preschool [vimeo]teacher with a hot body has far more dating options than the hot bodied male preschool teacher. Same doesn't mean equal
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2017 00:18     Subject: Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You have the education.
You have the career.
You have the money for a home and childcare.
You have IVF at your disposal.

You don't need men.





Please leave


No the PP, but what's wrong with this response?


Because you're robbing your child of having a father? B/c every single study done shows children do better in 2-parent households? Especially boys.


So let me get this straight. If I can provide a loving stable home for a child, I should not have one because the one thing I don't have is a partner? It would be better in your eyes to settle for a man, any man, then embark on this journey by myself? And when the marriage goes south, because I settled, it's better that the children live through divorce? Or maybe you think that I should have to have to suck it up and endure the marriage I settled for because I wanted children? Then again, what if he leaves against my wishes--you know because you can't control if someone wants to be in a relationship.



I'm not trying to upset you, but if you cannot find a decent partner who wants to live his/her life with you, then there is something wrong with you.

And so no, you should not procreate and you should also not burden your child with your mental illness/personality disorder, esp. since will be no other co-parent they can turn to when you get too cray.



Np. Pp, I would love to know: how old are you? My guess is that you are older, from the time when unmarried women were seen as failures and old maids? Or maybe from a culture that still sees it that way?
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2017 21:34     Subject: Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You have the education.
You have the career.
You have the money for a home and childcare.
You have IVF at your disposal.

You don't need men.





Please leave


No the PP, but what's wrong with this response?


Because you're robbing your child of having a father? B/c every single study done shows children do better in 2-parent households? Especially boys.


So let me get this straight. If I can provide a loving stable home for a child, I should not have one because the one thing I don't have is a partner? It would be better in your eyes to settle for a man, any man, then embark on this journey by myself? And when the marriage goes south, because I settled, it's better that the children live through divorce? Or maybe you think that I should have to have to suck it up and endure the marriage I settled for because I wanted children? Then again, what if he leaves against my wishes--you know because you can't control if someone wants to be in a relationship.



I'm not trying to upset you, but if you cannot find a decent partner who wants to live his/her life with you, then there is something wrong with you.

And so no, you should not procreate and you should also not burden your child with your mental illness/personality disorder, esp. since will be no other co-parent they can turn to when you get too cray.
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2017 21:02     Subject: Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life
Anonymous wrote:Or we just don't want kids?


I honestly feel like more than half the issues raised on this board stem from the fact that a lot of men just don't feel that strongly about having kids. The wife pushes for kids. And then more kids. And knows DH was mostly ambivalent yet "she's always dreamed of having a large family, and we can afford it!" It wasn't HIS dream, though. So he had the kids because he loves his wife and doesn't want to disappoint her, but then she gets pissed and resentful. Excuse he doesn't want to go to 17 soccer games on the weekend and doesnt feel like wiping poo from a baby's butt for months or years if there are multiple kids.

I am thankful I recognize that I don't want kids and hat my fiancé recognizes that about himself.
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2017 20:36     Subject: Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life
What's there for guys not to like? Being a human ATM for 18 years sounds like a blast.

Women (feminists) are reaping what they sowed. When men become expendable in a society, society suffers.
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2017 20:34     Subject: Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life
The author seems to have made something of a career out of writing confirmation bias articles for 30-40 something, never-married women:

I’m 47 and my love life is better than ever!
Melanie Notkin

http://nypost.com/2016/06/16/im-47-and-my-love-life-is-better-than-ever/


Anonymous
Post 05/15/2017 20:25     Subject: Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life
The author sounds like the female equivalent of an "incel" male who blames women for this inability to get laid (she can't get "quality" males to commit to an LTR/marriage). Oh, boo hoo!
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2017 20:23     Subject: Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life
And many of the men who meet your requirements prefer to marry a woman who is thrilled to be a wife and mother and won't nag him for not doing his share of the HH chores.
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2017 20:19     Subject: Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You have the education.
You have the career.
You have the money for a home and childcare.
You have IVF at your disposal.

You don't need men.





Please leave


No the PP, but what's wrong with this response?


Because you're robbing your child of having a father? B/c every single study done shows children do better in 2-parent households? Especially boys.


So let me get this straight. If I can provide a loving stable home for a child, I should not have one because the one thing I don't have is a partner? It would be better in your eyes to settle for a man, any man, then embark on this journey by myself? And when the marriage goes south, because I settled, it's better that the children live through divorce? Or maybe you think that I should have to have to suck it up and endure the marriage I settled for because I wanted children? Then again, what if he leaves against my wishes--you know because you can't control if someone wants to be in a relationship.



Correct
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2017 20:18     Subject: Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life
I think it's more complicated.
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2017 19:14     Subject: Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life
No matter what it is, it's ALWAYS the man's fault. Always.


Men have known this for about 40,000 years.
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2017 19:02     Subject: Childish men are to blame for women having kids late in life
Anonymous wrote:You have the education.
You have the career.
You have the money for a home and childcare.
You have IVF at your disposal.

You don't need men.