Anonymous wrote:NP. Agree with 9:48. We've already been at Shepherd for a bit with a kid in early elementary. A few of my kid's classmates live in multi-generational households in SP or Colonial Village/North Portal Estates. Also, we see grandparents walking kids to school, and at pickup.
The newcomers to the neighborhood do skew whiter but there are still AA families that have moved in recently, like ourselves, along with other groups. There are also a ton (proportionally) of interracial families,and also transracial adoptee families in the neighborhood. Agree the demographics are changing, but I don't see it becoming majority white anytime soon. Right now I'd say it's one of the most diverse neighborhoods of the Deal/Wilson feeders.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[
I'm not so sure about this. Shepherd Park is still attracting a lot of high SES AA families. PK4 is still majority AA by quite a bit.
The biggest potential demographics change would probably come if the apartment building proposed for Georgia & Eastern gets constructed and opens up a whole bunch of spots for in-boundary renters. But I'm not sure which way that would swing the demographics, honestly.
Shepherd Park is attracting higher SES families irrespective of their racial demographic, but the fact that it's higher SES means it will trend whiter just like every other gentrifying neighborhood in DC.
The idea that AA families will rent apartments in an apartment building that is still the in proposal stage and swing it towards one HS or another suggests that I need to be selling you something. Because I'd like some easy money and you'll buy anything.
Well, considering the original question was about something that's 8 years away, I don't think it's so crazy.
I'd challenge the idea that Shepherd Park is "gentrifying." It's been a high SES neighborhood forever. It may be getting younger, which may mean whiter in the context of DC's recent migration patterns, but I don't think the SES is changing all that substantially (which is my indicator of gentrification).
I also don't think the notion that the apt building is the main potential catalyst for any demographics change at the school. That's based on considering that:
1) SP is pretty small to begin with
2) It has a decent sized Orthodox population that generally goes to Jewish schools
3) Lots of houses are multi-generational, meaning that turnover is pretty limited
4) The housing stock is generally good and pricey
The apt building (which btw, I'm supportive of) is really the only thing that I think could change the school demographics considerably, as it removes all of the typical high SES barriers to entry. I think you'll see higher inbound population numbers for the school as a result of the more families sticking out public schools in DC, and seeking out certainty from the lottery all the way through MS and HS.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[
I'm not so sure about this. Shepherd Park is still attracting a lot of high SES AA families. PK4 is still majority AA by quite a bit.
The biggest potential demographics change would probably come if the apartment building proposed for Georgia & Eastern gets constructed and opens up a whole bunch of spots for in-boundary renters. But I'm not sure which way that would swing the demographics, honestly.
Shepherd Park is attracting higher SES families irrespective of their racial demographic, but the fact that it's higher SES means it will trend whiter just like every other gentrifying neighborhood in DC.
The idea that AA families will rent apartments in an apartment building that is still the in proposal stage and swing it towards one HS or another suggests that I need to be selling you something. Because I'd like some easy money and you'll buy anything.
Well, considering the original question was about something that's 8 years away, I don't think it's so crazy.
I'd challenge the idea that Shepherd Park is "gentrifying." It's been a high SES neighborhood forever. It may be getting younger, which may mean whiter in the context of DC's recent migration patterns, but I don't think the SES is changing all that substantially (which is my indicator of gentrification).
I also don't think the notion that the apt building is the main potential catalyst for any demographics change at the school. That's based on considering that:
1) SP is pretty small to begin with
2) It has a decent sized Orthodox population that generally goes to Jewish schools
3) Lots of houses are multi-generational, meaning that turnover is pretty limited
4) The housing stock is generally good and pricey
The apt building (which btw, I'm supportive of) is really the only thing that I think could change the school demographics considerably, as it removes all of the typical high SES barriers to entry. I think you'll see higher inbound population numbers for the school as a result of the more families sticking out public schools in DC, and seeking out certainty from the lottery all the way through MS and HS.
Low turnover only means aging in place. The menopausal ladies aren't sending any PreKers into Shepherd elementary. So either the white newcomers will fill up the school or else their proximal neighbors will via the OOB process. Either way the optics of eliminating Shepherd will only get easier.
The non-existent apartment coalition for rights to Wilson will never matter to anybody other than realtors.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[
I'm not so sure about this. Shepherd Park is still attracting a lot of high SES AA families. PK4 is still majority AA by quite a bit.
The biggest potential demographics change would probably come if the apartment building proposed for Georgia & Eastern gets constructed and opens up a whole bunch of spots for in-boundary renters. But I'm not sure which way that would swing the demographics, honestly.
Shepherd Park is attracting higher SES families irrespective of their racial demographic, but the fact that it's higher SES means it will trend whiter just like every other gentrifying neighborhood in DC.
The idea that AA families will rent apartments in an apartment building that is still the in proposal stage and swing it towards one HS or another suggests that I need to be selling you something. Because I'd like some easy money and you'll buy anything.
Well, considering the original question was about something that's 8 years away, I don't think it's so crazy.
I'd challenge the idea that Shepherd Park is "gentrifying." It's been a high SES neighborhood forever. It may be getting younger, which may mean whiter in the context of DC's recent migration patterns, but I don't think the SES is changing all that substantially (which is my indicator of gentrification).
I also don't think the notion that the apt building is the main potential catalyst for any demographics change at the school. That's based on considering that:
1) SP is pretty small to begin with
2) It has a decent sized Orthodox population that generally goes to Jewish schools
3) Lots of houses are multi-generational, meaning that turnover is pretty limited
4) The housing stock is generally good and pricey
The apt building (which btw, I'm supportive of) is really the only thing that I think could change the school demographics considerably, as it removes all of the typical high SES barriers to entry. I think you'll see higher inbound population numbers for the school as a result of the more families sticking out public schools in DC, and seeking out certainty from the lottery all the way through MS and HS.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[
I'm not so sure about this. Shepherd Park is still attracting a lot of high SES AA families. PK4 is still majority AA by quite a bit.
The biggest potential demographics change would probably come if the apartment building proposed for Georgia & Eastern gets constructed and opens up a whole bunch of spots for in-boundary renters. But I'm not sure which way that would swing the demographics, honestly.
Shepherd Park is attracting higher SES families irrespective of their racial demographic, but the fact that it's higher SES means it will trend whiter just like every other gentrifying neighborhood in DC.
The idea that AA families will rent apartments in an apartment building that is still the in proposal stage and swing it towards one HS or another suggests that I need to be selling you something. Because I'd like some easy money and you'll buy anything.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's possible that 8 years from now Shepherd will still feed to Deal, but considering that Deal is currently pressing 1,500 students it seems likely some schools will need to be cut from the feeding system. Shepherd is one of the more logical choices to eliminate.
MacFarland is the most logical possibility. Considering Roosevelt is right next to MacFarland, there's no way it would be Coolidge (which is good, because Coolidge might as well be jail).
I really don't think Shepherd is going to be removed from the Deal / Wilson feeder pattern.
However, it is only 2.2 miles to Coolidge -- which will be co-located with new North Middle School. MacFarland/Roosevelt are just over 3 miles away. DCPS rejected an IB program for MacFarland, so no logical reason why Shepherd would feed there over North Middle School.
"We have an IB program for elementary school, so therefore we should feed Deal and therefore Wilson" (which is AP, btw not IB Diploma) isn't compelling as a programmatic argument. And since the local privates that do IB are off the table, wouldn't Eastern make the most sense?
No because it's 9 miles away.
Obviously, Sherlock. The point is that "Shepherd has IB! So there! Give us access! Because of our IB status!" will sway only the parents at Shepherd... and exactly 0.0% of everyone else.
No one has ever said that's why Shepherd feeds to Deal -- although that is the only IB primary to middle years feed in DCPS.
Obviously you weren't paying attention in 2014 when the school boundary "discussions" were had. Were you stupid or are you that new? Eaton got booted away from Deal into Hardy because EVERYONE knows Deal is full. The fights over "who gets kicked out!" were legendary. Oyster lost Deal as it's all-English MS, and now has Hardy instead (for those students who don't want Adams).
Yes, the IB program at Shepherd was indeed a flogging point (but we all know it was about the racial optics of kicking the blackest feeder out of the whitest middle school). Considering OP's kid is only 2.5 y.o., her cohort at Shepherd is unlikely to offer significant racial diversity in DC's traditional sense. This point will be moot within 5 years, while OP's kid is still learning her multiplication tables and how to read the most common irregular verbs.
Actually Oyster-Adams has SWW @ FS, not Hardy. They did get to 'keep' Wilson.
Personally I think we should still Oyster so that Oyster + MacFarland can feed to a dual-language high school.
FS is a step down from Hardy, but whatever. It's like comparing anchovies to sardines - both stink.
In any event, be careful about raising that "we need a dual language HS!" flag - you might fight yourselves funneled into CHEC - which, at 1.4 miles is closer to Wilson by 1.1 miles.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's possible that 8 years from now Shepherd will still feed to Deal, but considering that Deal is currently pressing 1,500 students it seems likely some schools will need to be cut from the feeding system. Shepherd is one of the more logical choices to eliminate.
MacFarland is the most logical possibility. Considering Roosevelt is right next to MacFarland, there's no way it would be Coolidge (which is good, because Coolidge might as well be jail).
logical yes, but the optics don't look so good. So Deal cuts the neighborhoods that actually provide some IB diversity? Not gonna happen. WoTP elems will get cut first and sent to Hardy which will help Hardy in the long run.
Better to increase commutes than to risk bad optics!
Meh. DC is no longer majority AA. It's plurality AA, but by the time her kid's in the upper elementary grades there will be a lot more demographic changes and updates. By then Shepherd will probably be majority White anyway (especially including the "White - Hispanic" category which we all know exists on our demographic forms). The optics won't be bad at all.
I'm not so sure about this. Shepherd Park is still attracting a lot of high SES AA families. PK4 is still majority AA by quite a bit.
The biggest potential demographics change would probably come if the apartment building proposed for Georgia & Eastern gets constructed and opens up a whole bunch of spots for in-boundary renters. But I'm not sure which way that would swing the demographics, honestly.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's possible that 8 years from now Shepherd will still feed to Deal, but considering that Deal is currently pressing 1,500 students it seems likely some schools will need to be cut from the feeding system. Shepherd is one of the more logical choices to eliminate.
MacFarland is the most logical possibility. Considering Roosevelt is right next to MacFarland, there's no way it would be Coolidge (which is good, because Coolidge might as well be jail).
I really don't think Shepherd is going to be removed from the Deal / Wilson feeder pattern.
However, it is only 2.2 miles to Coolidge -- which will be co-located with new North Middle School. MacFarland/Roosevelt are just over 3 miles away. DCPS rejected an IB program for MacFarland, so no logical reason why Shepherd would feed there over North Middle School.
"We have an IB program for elementary school, so therefore we should feed Deal and therefore Wilson" (which is AP, btw not IB Diploma) isn't compelling as a programmatic argument. And since the local privates that do IB are off the table, wouldn't Eastern make the most sense?
No because it's 9 miles away.
Obviously, Sherlock. The point is that "Shepherd has IB! So there! Give us access! Because of our IB status!" will sway only the parents at Shepherd... and exactly 0.0% of everyone else.
No one has ever said that's why Shepherd feeds to Deal -- although that is the only IB primary to middle years feed in DCPS.
Obviously you weren't paying attention in 2014 when the school boundary "discussions" were had. Were you stupid or are you that new? Eaton got booted away from Deal into Hardy because EVERYONE knows Deal is full. The fights over "who gets kicked out!" were legendary. Oyster lost Deal as it's all-English MS, and now has Hardy instead (for those students who don't want Adams).
Yes, the IB program at Shepherd was indeed a flogging point (but we all know it was about the racial optics of kicking the blackest feeder out of the whitest middle school). Considering OP's kid is only 2.5 y.o., her cohort at Shepherd is unlikely to offer significant racial diversity in DC's traditional sense. This point will be moot within 5 years, while OP's kid is still learning her multiplication tables and how to read the most common irregular verbs.
Actually Oyster-Adams has SWW @ FS, not Hardy. They did get to 'keep' Wilson.
Personally I think we should still Oyster so that Oyster + MacFarland can feed to a dual-language high school.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's possible that 8 years from now Shepherd will still feed to Deal, but considering that Deal is currently pressing 1,500 students it seems likely some schools will need to be cut from the feeding system. Shepherd is one of the more logical choices to eliminate.
MacFarland is the most logical possibility. Considering Roosevelt is right next to MacFarland, there's no way it would be Coolidge (which is good, because Coolidge might as well be jail).
logical yes, but the optics don't look so good. So Deal cuts the neighborhoods that actually provide some IB diversity? Not gonna happen. WoTP elems will get cut first and sent to Hardy which will help Hardy in the long run.
Better to increase commutes than to risk bad optics!
Meh. DC is no longer majority AA. It's plurality AA, but by the time her kid's in the upper elementary grades there will be a lot more demographic changes and updates. By then Shepherd will probably be majority White anyway (especially including the "White - Hispanic" category which we all know exists on our demographic forms). The optics won't be bad at all.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's possible that 8 years from now Shepherd will still feed to Deal, but considering that Deal is currently pressing 1,500 students it seems likely some schools will need to be cut from the feeding system. Shepherd is one of the more logical choices to eliminate.
MacFarland is the most logical possibility. Considering Roosevelt is right next to MacFarland, there's no way it would be Coolidge (which is good, because Coolidge might as well be jail).
I really don't think Shepherd is going to be removed from the Deal / Wilson feeder pattern.
However, it is only 2.2 miles to Coolidge -- which will be co-located with new North Middle School. MacFarland/Roosevelt are just over 3 miles away. DCPS rejected an IB program for MacFarland, so no logical reason why Shepherd would feed there over North Middle School.
"We have an IB program for elementary school, so therefore we should feed Deal and therefore Wilson" (which is AP, btw not IB Diploma) isn't compelling as a programmatic argument. And since the local privates that do IB are off the table, wouldn't Eastern make the most sense?
No because it's 9 miles away.
Obviously, Sherlock. The point is that "Shepherd has IB! So there! Give us access! Because of our IB status!" will sway only the parents at Shepherd... and exactly 0.0% of everyone else.
No one has ever said that's why Shepherd feeds to Deal -- although that is the only IB primary to middle years feed in DCPS.
Obviously you weren't paying attention in 2014 when the school boundary "discussions" were had. Were you stupid or are you that new? Eaton got booted away from Deal into Hardy because EVERYONE knows Deal is full. The fights over "who gets kicked out!" were legendary. Oyster lost Deal as it's all-English MS, and now has Hardy instead (for those students who don't want Adams).
Yes, the IB program at Shepherd was indeed a flogging point (but we all know it was about the racial optics of kicking the blackest feeder out of the whitest middle school). Considering OP's kid is only 2.5 y.o., her cohort at Shepherd is unlikely to offer significant racial diversity in DC's traditional sense. This point will be moot within 5 years, while OP's kid is still learning her multiplication tables and how to read the most common irregular verbs.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's possible that 8 years from now Shepherd will still feed to Deal, but considering that Deal is currently pressing 1,500 students it seems likely some schools will need to be cut from the feeding system. Shepherd is one of the more logical choices to eliminate.
MacFarland is the most logical possibility. Considering Roosevelt is right next to MacFarland, there's no way it would be Coolidge (which is good, because Coolidge might as well be jail).
I really don't think Shepherd is going to be removed from the Deal / Wilson feeder pattern.
However, it is only 2.2 miles to Coolidge -- which will be co-located with new North Middle School. MacFarland/Roosevelt are just over 3 miles away. DCPS rejected an IB program for MacFarland, so no logical reason why Shepherd would feed there over North Middle School.
"We have an IB program for elementary school, so therefore we should feed Deal and therefore Wilson" (which is AP, btw not IB Diploma) isn't compelling as a programmatic argument. And since the local privates that do IB are off the table, wouldn't Eastern make the most sense?
No because it's 9 miles away.
Obviously, Sherlock. The point is that "Shepherd has IB! So there! Give us access! Because of our IB status!" will sway only the parents at Shepherd... and exactly 0.0% of everyone else.
No one has ever said that's why Shepherd feeds to Deal -- although that is the only IB primary to middle years feed in DCPS.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's possible that 8 years from now Shepherd will still feed to Deal, but considering that Deal is currently pressing 1,500 students it seems likely some schools will need to be cut from the feeding system. Shepherd is one of the more logical choices to eliminate.
MacFarland is the most logical possibility. Considering Roosevelt is right next to MacFarland, there's no way it would be Coolidge (which is good, because Coolidge might as well be jail).
logical yes, but the optics don't look so good. So Deal cuts the neighborhoods that actually provide some IB diversity? Not gonna happen. WoTP elems will get cut first and sent to Hardy which will help Hardy in the long run.
Better to increase commutes than to risk bad optics!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's possible that 8 years from now Shepherd will still feed to Deal, but considering that Deal is currently pressing 1,500 students it seems likely some schools will need to be cut from the feeding system. Shepherd is one of the more logical choices to eliminate.
MacFarland is the most logical possibility. Considering Roosevelt is right next to MacFarland, there's no way it would be Coolidge (which is good, because Coolidge might as well be jail).
I really don't think Shepherd is going to be removed from the Deal / Wilson feeder pattern.
However, it is only 2.2 miles to Coolidge -- which will be co-located with new North Middle School. MacFarland/Roosevelt are just over 3 miles away. DCPS rejected an IB program for MacFarland, so no logical reason why Shepherd would feed there over North Middle School.
"We have an IB program for elementary school, so therefore we should feed Deal and therefore Wilson" (which is AP, btw not IB Diploma) isn't compelling as a programmatic argument. And since the local privates that do IB are off the table, wouldn't Eastern make the most sense?
No because it's 9 miles away.
Obviously, Sherlock. The point is that "Shepherd has IB! So there! Give us access! Because of our IB status!" will sway only the parents at Shepherd... and exactly 0.0% of everyone else.