What's the elephant in the room?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, having their stats and being quads is a huge hook. I don't care what race they are. If they had been white or asian they likely would have been admitted. A hook is something that sets you apart in the minds of the admissions office. The fact that there are four of them means that if they decide to go en masse to a school they will bring their own support system. This is also very attractive to a school, because they know that many students who fail to succeed at elite schools do so because their support systems fail. Kudos to these young men on their accomplishments.

OP here. I agree with this. I think it is the combo of their stats/interests and being quads that put them over. I stand by my original comment that this family sure pulled it together for four kids to do this at once.

Agree with all this and will add that I think even twins will often be accepted together when they apply to the same school.

Yale admitted a set of quadruplets once before:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/19/education/19yale.html?_r=0

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, having their stats and being quads is a huge hook. I don't care what race they are. If they had been white or asian they likely would have been admitted. A hook is something that sets you apart in the minds of the admissions office. The fact that there are four of them means that if they decide to go en masse to a school they will bring their own support system. This is also very attractive to a school, because they know that many students who fail to succeed at elite schools do so because their support systems fail. Kudos to these young men on their accomplishments.

OP here. I agree with this. I think it is the combo of their stats/interests and being quads that put them over. I stand by my original comment that this family sure pulled it together for four kids to do this at once.

Agree with all this and will add that I think even twins will often be accepted together when they apply to the same school.

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Anonymous wrote:Nigel and Aaron look like they could be identical twins. Zach and Nick also look like they could be identical twins.

I know that they are quads but are they all fraternal twins or is there one or two sets of identical twins among them?

What an amazing accomplishment for them all to get into the top schools like that. I wonder if they'll all go to the same school or choose different schools based on their majors.

Quads can happen in a number of different ways, including:

--4 separate eggs (fraternal quads, same genetic relationship as any siblings)

--3 eggs, one splits into 2, effectively creating one identical set of "twins" and two singletons

--2 eggs, each splitting into 2 (2 sets of identical twins--this would be incredibly rare I think)

--2 eggs, one splitting into 2 and then one of those splitting again (1 set of identical triplets and one singleton)

--1 egg, splits in 2, then each splits again (identical quads)

Even before fertility treatments (I have no idea if such treatments were involved in the conception of these children), fraternal multiples of any kind (twin/triplet/etc) are much more common than identical twins. So, statistically speaking, it is more likely that they are all fraternal than that any of them are identical. And, the reports I've read are that they are, in fact, fraternal quads.

Sorry, need to clarify my statement: Twins of any kind are more common than triplets. What I mean is that it is much more common for any set of multiples to arise from multiple eggs than it is for a single egg to split.

This is not true. I have triplets who are two identical and one fraternal - a pair and a spare. This is the most common combination without fertility treatments. It's very unlikely that a mother will drop three eggs, also very unlikely that the egg would split three times. More common that a mother drops two eggs and one splits.
Almost all HOM now are fraternal due to fertility treatments.
https://www.huggies.com.au/childbirth/multiple-births/triplets See the first paragraph stating the most common is a pair and a spare.

Uh, yeah, what I said is that, given that only 3 of every 1000 deliveries are identical twins (that is, are from a single egg that split), it would be extremely rare for a mother to "drop" two eggs and for BOTH eggs to split, resulting in 4 babies.

But I see I may have misunderstood you, maybe you were talking about my clarification and not my initial statement. You are right that it is unusual for ovulation to involve more than 2 eggs, in the absence of fertility treatments.

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Anonymous wrote:Nigel and Aaron look like they could be identical twins. Zach and Nick also look like they could be identical twins.

I know that they are quads but are they all fraternal twins or is there one or two sets of identical twins among them?

What an amazing accomplishment for them all to get into the top schools like that. I wonder if they'll all go to the same school or choose different schools based on their majors.

Quads can happen in a number of different ways, including:

--4 separate eggs (fraternal quads, same genetic relationship as any siblings)

--3 eggs, one splits into 2, effectively creating one identical set of "twins" and two singletons

--2 eggs, each splitting into 2 (2 sets of identical twins--this would be incredibly rare I think)

--2 eggs, one splitting into 2 and then one of those splitting again (1 set of identical triplets and one singleton)

--1 egg, splits in 2, then each splits again (identical quads)

Even before fertility treatments (I have no idea if such treatments were involved in the conception of these children), fraternal multiples of any kind (twin/triplet/etc) are much more common than identical twins. So, statistically speaking, it is more likely that they are all fraternal than that any of them are identical. And, the reports I've read are that they are, in fact, fraternal quads.

Sorry, need to clarify my statement: Twins of any kind are more common than triplets. What I mean is that it is much more common for any set of multiples to arise from multiple eggs than it is for a single egg to split.

This is not true. I have triplets who are two identical and one fraternal - a pair and a spare. This is the most common combination without fertility treatments. It's very unlikely that a mother will drop three eggs, also very unlikely that the egg would split three times. More common that a mother drops two eggs and one splits.
Almost all HOM now are fraternal due to fertility treatments.
https://www.huggies.com.au/childbirth/multiple-births/triplets See the first paragraph stating the most common is a pair and a spare.

Uh, yeah, what I said is that, given that only 3 of every 1000 deliveries are identical twins (that is, are from a single egg that split), it would be extremely rare for a mother to "drop" two eggs and for BOTH eggs to split, resulting in 4 babies.

Anonymous wrote:A 29 is a stat hook?

Who knew? My 29 ACT kid didn't even bother with UVA, let alone multiple Ivy League schools.

I think you are being purposefully obtuse, but I will entertain you. What is said is : having their stats AND being quads is a huge hook.

Reading is fundamental. The and is there in the sentence for a reason. Meaning their stats alone and being quads alone probably would not be enough. It is the combination that makes it a hook.

A 29 is a stat hook?

Who knew? My 29 ACT kid didn't even bother with UVA, let alone multiple Ivy League schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Nigel and Aaron look like they could be identical twins. Zach and Nick also look like they could be identical twins.

I know that they are quads but are they all fraternal twins or is there one or two sets of identical twins among them?

What an amazing accomplishment for them all to get into the top schools like that. I wonder if they'll all go to the same school or choose different schools based on their majors.

Quads can happen in a number of different ways, including:

--4 separate eggs (fraternal quads, same genetic relationship as any siblings)

--3 eggs, one splits into 2, effectively creating one identical set of "twins" and two singletons

--2 eggs, each splitting into 2 (2 sets of identical twins--this would be incredibly rare I think)

--2 eggs, one splitting into 2 and then one of those splitting again (1 set of identical triplets and one singleton)

--1 egg, splits in 2, then each splits again (identical quads)

Even before fertility treatments (I have no idea if such treatments were involved in the conception of these children), fraternal multiples of any kind (twin/triplet/etc) are much more common than identical twins. So, statistically speaking, it is more likely that they are all fraternal than that any of them are identical. And, the reports I've read are that they are, in fact, fraternal quads.

Sorry, need to clarify my statement: Twins of any kind are more common than triplets. What I mean is that it is much more common for any set of multiples to arise from multiple eggs than it is for a single egg to split.

This is not true. I have triplets who are two identical and one fraternal - a pair and a spare. This is the most common combination without fertility treatments. It's very unlikely that a mother will drop three eggs, also very unlikely that the egg would split three times. More common that a mother drops two eggs and one splits.
Almost all HOM now are fraternal due to fertility treatments.
https://www.huggies.com.au/childbirth/multiple-births/triplets See the first paragraph stating the most common is a pair and a spare.

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, having their stats and being quads is a huge hook. I don't care what race they are. If they had been white or asian they likely would have been admitted. A hook is something that sets you apart in the minds of the admissions office. The fact that there are four of them means that if they decide to go en masse to a school they will bring their own support system. This is also very attractive to a school, because they know that many students who fail to succeed at elite schools do so because their support systems fail. Kudos to these young men on their accomplishments.

OP here. I agree with this. I think it is the combo of their stats/interests and being quads that put them over. I stand by my original comment that this family sure pulled it together for four kids to do this at once.

Honestly, having their stats and being quads is a huge hook. I don't care what race they are. If they had been white or asian they likely would have been admitted. A hook is something that sets you apart in the minds of the admissions office. The fact that there are four of them means that if they decide to go en masse to a school they will bring their own support system. This is also very attractive to a school, because they know that many students who fail to succeed at elite schools do so because their support systems fail. Kudos to these young men on their accomplishments.

Anonymous wrote:Nigel and Aaron look like they could be identical twins. Zach and Nick also look like they could be identical twins.

I know that they are quads but are they all fraternal twins or is there one or two sets of identical twins among them?

What an amazing accomplishment for them all to get into the top schools like that. I wonder if they'll all go to the same school or choose different schools based on their majors.

They do not look alike anymore than regular brothers.

Anonymous wrote:He's right a white or Asian 29 would be laughed at

Here we go again....POC does not deserve to get into the school that admitted him.

Interesting though that many of you went right to the URM hook when the quad hook is a pretty compelling hook.

He's right a white or Asian 29 would be laughed at

Relevant info from College Confidential:

As RD deadlines approach, I've been wondering this.

So we are all in the top 10% of our class of 720. Each of us has 3.8+ Unweighted GPAs, each of us has loads of AP classes and we’ll have glowing recs. One of us (not me) could be valedictorian. We are also URMs (black).

Here are my extracurriculars:

Nsliy Arabic scholar (State Dept scholarship to study Arabic in Morocco over the summer)

Council American Islamic Relations (CAIR)- Govt affairs interns

President of my school’s cultural club

Volunteer at refugee center- I use my Arabic skills to help resettle refugees

Varsity Shotput thrower (not recruited)

*I want to major in International Relations and Arabic.

My bros and I have similar extra curriculars in that we excel in our areas of interest: Language and Geopolitics (me), Engineering , Medicine and Neuroscience, Computer Science.

Test scores is where the problems start. One of us has a 29 ACT, I have a 31 (32 super scored), and the other two have 33s. We are all applying to Harvard, Yale, Stanford, and Vanderbilt together, and then we have schools we individually like. I know my 31 is borderline for Ivies, and my brother’s 29 is very low. I was hoping the fact that we are black URMs and quads could help. But if we all apply at these prestigious Universities, will my brother’s 29 and my 31 prevent all of us from getting in?

More here: http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1934926-should-quadruplet-brothers-apply-to-the-same-prestigious-universities.html

^^ their offers. I'm an idiot.