Anonymous
Post 03/23/2017 14:04     Subject: Finding a breeder
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If everyone got their puppies from ethical breeders, we wouldn't have a problem with euthanizing unwanted animals.

A reputable breeder will ALWAYS take back your dog so that it has a good home.


Nope not true and that only makes sense if we lived in some magic world where puppies were only born of ethical breeders.

And we don't live in that world.


+1

PP does not understand logic.

Say 10 people want a dog. There are 10 adoptable dogs in a kill shelter. All 10 people put a deposit down with a breeder. The breeder makes new dogs and the existing dogs in the kill shelter are all killed.



This is also a magical world in which those 10 dogs happily meet the needs of the 10 people looking for dogs.


Who needs a "new" dog when there are thousands who need homes?

Don't confuse wants and needs. I know it's hard in DCUM land.


Ok.
I NEED a dog that is good with kids, not just fine with our's in our home but one that will happily engage with the dozens of kids at the playground, the soccer field, and so on.
I NEED a dog that is good with other dogs and all kinds of people, that I know doesn't have a history of problems or insecurities.
I NEED a dog where I know a fairly good amount about its history, both personal as well as its genetic history. Genetics not just for potential illnesses or health conditions, but also the breed type so I know what general types of behaviors or innate traits I can expect.
I also NEED a good amount of the dog's history in terms of its behavior, how it was treated, how it was socialized especially in the critical early stages before 16wks of age.
I NEED a dog with a particular type of tempermant, certain behaviors and character traits to fit with our family's life.
Yes, I want a dog that has a certain look.

Not OP, but please, don't be holier-than-thou.

I know the difference between wants and needs.


You WANT a dog with all of that, at the expense of another dog in a shelter.

You don't NEED a dog unless you live on a ranch or a farm.

You're certainly not alone in how you feel, but own it.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2017 14:02     Subject: Re:Finding a breeder
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:+1 for being patient and researching a rescue dog. Breeders are gross. You want to get a dog from someone that gets dogs pregnant constantly for profit? Their homes are gross too. Hundreds of untrained puppies milling about their living space or "designated breeding spaces" over the years. So creepy that people choose breeding as a career/profession.


This is a PUPPY MILL, not a breeder. Big difference. A puppy mill in it for only profit with hundreds of untrained puppies is the definition of what OP and others should avoid.


Ten to fifteen untrained puppies at a time is just as bad. Do you think "breeders" can control how many puppies are born in each litter? It's gross and disturbing.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2017 13:57     Subject: Finding a breeder
Anonymous wrote:FYI no rescue will place a dog with a family that has kids under like 10. Not any I could find anyways. I get why they have the policy but it makes finding a family dog darn near impossible when you have an allergy sufferer in the house


Friend just rescued an apparently purebred puppy. They already have an old dog and two kids under 6. Petfinder.com.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2017 13:55     Subject: Finding a breeder
FYI no rescue will place a dog with a family that has kids under like 10. Not any I could find anyways. I get why they have the policy but it makes finding a family dog darn near impossible when you have an allergy sufferer in the house
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2017 13:42     Subject: Finding a breeder
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If everyone got their puppies from ethical breeders, we wouldn't have a problem with euthanizing unwanted animals.

A reputable breeder will ALWAYS take back your dog so that it has a good home.


Nope not true and that only makes sense if we lived in some magic world where puppies were only born of ethical breeders.

And we don't live in that world.


+1

PP does not understand logic.

Say 10 people want a dog. There are 10 adoptable dogs in a kill shelter. All 10 people put a deposit down with a breeder. The breeder makes new dogs and the existing dogs in the kill shelter are all killed.



This is also a magical world in which those 10 dogs happily meet the needs of the 10 people looking for dogs.


Who needs a "new" dog when there are thousands who need homes?

Don't confuse wants and needs. I know it's hard in DCUM land.


Ok.
I NEED a dog that is good with kids, not just fine with our's in our home but one that will happily engage with the dozens of kids at the playground, the soccer field, and so on.
I NEED a dog that is good with other dogs and all kinds of people, that I know doesn't have a history of problems or insecurities.
I NEED a dog where I know a fairly good amount about its history, both personal as well as its genetic history. Genetics not just for potential illnesses or health conditions, but also the breed type so I know what general types of behaviors or innate traits I can expect.
I also NEED a good amount of the dog's history in terms of its behavior, how it was treated, how it was socialized especially in the critical early stages before 16wks of age.
I NEED a dog with a particular type of tempermant, certain behaviors and character traits to fit with our family's life.
Yes, I want a dog that has a certain look.

Not OP, but please, don't be holier-than-thou.

I know the difference between wants and needs.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2017 11:40     Subject: Finding a breeder
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If everyone got their puppies from ethical breeders, we wouldn't have a problem with euthanizing unwanted animals.

A reputable breeder will ALWAYS take back your dog so that it has a good home.


Nope not true and that only makes sense if we lived in some magic world where puppies were only born of ethical breeders.

And we don't live in that world.


+1

PP does not understand logic.

Say 10 people want a dog. There are 10 adoptable dogs in a kill shelter. All 10 people put a deposit down with a breeder. The breeder makes new dogs and the existing dogs in the kill shelter are all killed.



This is also a magical world in which those 10 dogs happily meet the needs of the 10 people looking for dogs.


Who needs a "new" dog when there are thousands who need homes?

Don't confuse wants and needs. I know it's hard in DCUM land.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2017 11:18     Subject: Re:Finding a breeder
Anonymous wrote:+1 for being patient and researching a rescue dog. Breeders are gross. You want to get a dog from someone that gets dogs pregnant constantly for profit? Their homes are gross too. Hundreds of untrained puppies milling about their living space or "designated breeding spaces" over the years. So creepy that people choose breeding as a career/profession.


This is a PUPPY MILL, not a breeder. Big difference. A puppy mill in it for only profit with hundreds of untrained puppies is the definition of what OP and others should avoid.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2017 08:30     Subject: Re:Finding a breeder
+1 for being patient and researching a rescue dog. Breeders are gross. You want to get a dog from someone that gets dogs pregnant constantly for profit? Their homes are gross too. Hundreds of untrained puppies milling about their living space or "designated breeding spaces" over the years. So creepy that people choose breeding as a career/profession.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2017 08:25     Subject: Finding a breeder
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If everyone got their puppies from ethical breeders, we wouldn't have a problem with euthanizing unwanted animals.

A reputable breeder will ALWAYS take back your dog so that it has a good home.


Nope not true and that only makes sense if we lived in some magic world where puppies were only born of ethical breeders.

And we don't live in that world.


+1

PP does not understand logic.

Say 10 people want a dog. There are 10 adoptable dogs in a kill shelter. All 10 people put a deposit down with a breeder. The breeder makes new dogs and the existing dogs in the kill shelter are all killed.



This is also a magical world in which those 10 dogs happily meet the needs of the 10 people looking for dogs.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2017 08:24     Subject: Finding a breeder
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If everyone got their puppies from ethical breeders, we wouldn't have a problem with euthanizing unwanted animals.

A reputable breeder will ALWAYS take back your dog so that it has a good home.


Nope not true and that only makes sense if we lived in some magic world where puppies were only born of ethical breeders.

And we don't live in that world.


+1

PP does not understand logic.

Say 10 people want a dog. There are 10 adoptable dogs in a kill shelter. All 10 people put a deposit down with a breeder. The breeder makes new dogs and the existing dogs in the kill shelter are all killed.



Except there wouldn't be dogs in a shelter in the first place, or at least far fewer (let's assume some strays get pregnant), if there weren't puppy mills or backyard breeders making money.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2017 23:10     Subject: Finding a breeder
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If everyone got their puppies from ethical breeders, we wouldn't have a problem with euthanizing unwanted animals.

A reputable breeder will ALWAYS take back your dog so that it has a good home.


Nope not true and that only makes sense if we lived in some magic world where puppies were only born of ethical breeders.

And we don't live in that world.


+1

PP does not understand logic.

Say 10 people want a dog. There are 10 adoptable dogs in a kill shelter. All 10 people put a deposit down with a breeder. The breeder makes new dogs and the existing dogs in the kill shelter are all killed.

Anonymous
Post 03/22/2017 22:39     Subject: Finding a breeder
Anonymous wrote:If everyone got their puppies from ethical breeders, we wouldn't have a problem with euthanizing unwanted animals.

A reputable breeder will ALWAYS take back your dog so that it has a good home.


Nope not true and that only makes sense if we lived in some magic world where puppies were only born of ethical breeders.

And we don't live in that world.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2017 08:33     Subject: Finding a breeder
I accidentally bought a dog from a puppy mill, not knowing better, and it died from cancer at around 4-5 years old. I'm undecided what we'd do — rescue or good breeder — if we get another dog. AKC does have lists.

But here's a rescue doodle puppy: http://www.adoptapet.com/pet/17800373-fairfax-virginia-goldendoodle-mix
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2017 08:21     Subject: Re:Finding a breeder
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Purebred pets range in cost because you are trying to sort out the so-called backyard breeders from puppy mills from breeders who put a lot of time, effort, and love into continuing to improve the breed.

Backyard breeders might be the local family who decided to let their pet have a litter. Cute pups, but likely have not tested the parents for known issues with the breeds in question, or done more than basic worming and shots. Pups will likely run you a few hundred dollars, probably no contract involved and certainly no health guarantees.

Puppy mills are individuals who own multiple female dogs and are in it for the money. They have multiple litters a year, rarely do any sort of genetic testing, and will probably sell you a dog fairly quickly and easily with little interest in who you are as a potential dog owner. They may or may not welcome you to their facility - dogs likely don't live in the home and often are in subpar conditions. There is little attention paid to puppy development and socialization. Again, you can find a puppy this way for a few hundred dollars.

Reputable breeders may have one or two litters a year at most. They will likely have an extensive interview process with you, to determine if you are the kind of family that they would trust with one of their puppies. They have contracts with a number of requirements, likely including a lifetime "take back" policy on the dog if you cannot keep it. They can show you copies of test results for eyes, hips, hearts, and any other genetic conditions that their particular breed is prone to. They can tell you why a particular litter is happening, what characteristics of the bitch and sire they had in mind when they did the breeding. These dogs will be more expensive, but the time and testing behind them are the reason.

http://yourdogsfriend.org/before-you-adopt/breeders-vs-puppy-mills/

Most on this board will push you hard to consider only a rescue dog, and that's one option, however I'm trying to answer your particular question in the event you do want to proceed with an ethical breeder.


No you're not moron. Obviously, the OP is looking for an ethical breeder. So provide some names of STFU.


What? Clearly OP is, but didn't know how to find one, so the prior post was helping her understand potential reasons for differences in costs and what to look for. And, FWIW, I don't recall her first post even mentioning what breed she wanted, so how could any poster give her a name of a particular breeder. Jeez. Hope today goes better for you!

And yes, agree with the most recent PP that if people stopped buying from puppy mills and backyard breeders, it would cut way way way way way down on the number of unwanted animals in this country. Stop castigating anyone who doesn't want a rescue dog, we've been down that road ten million times on DCUM.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2017 00:28     Subject: Finding a breeder
If everyone got their puppies from ethical breeders, we wouldn't have a problem with euthanizing unwanted animals.

A reputable breeder will ALWAYS take back your dog so that it has a good home.