Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous--what a burden to place on a child. It's not easy to get into the HGCs. So, how is you CHILD going to feel if they don't get in after spending "quality time" with mommy bonding over Cogat workbooks?

Oh, please! You're being ridiculous here. The child is 'going to feel' exactly the way said child's going to feel when they don't make a team, don't win the gold medal or don't get that coveted part in a play. Disappointed, yes, but so what?

For the record, I know multiple kids who didn't get into the HGCs and no one was traumatized for life for having sat through Cogat test.

Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous--what a burden to place on a child. It's not easy to get into the HGCs. So, how is you CHILD going to feel if they don't get in after spending "quality time" with mommy bonding over Cogat workbooks?

Some Cogat problems are fun to solve for some people.

I don't understand why/what you people are arguing about. If you want to prep, go ahead and prep. If you don't, then don't. WTF?

-np

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Anonymous wrote:Studying is for cheaters!

When it comes to tests for innate ability, yup.

Nothing more than an attempt to manipulate results to make ordinary children appear to be "gifted".

Hilarious. If that's really true then you wouldn't be threatened by kids who study. It's all 'innate'? Then how would studying help?

Who's threatened? Kid #1 tested off the charts, kid #2 too young for it to be an issue.

I just don't like strivers/grifters who try to game the system.

You'll note that I said "attempt" to manipulate the results, but certainly test design is not a perfect science.

Even tests designed to test innate traits can be gamed by those sufficiently desperate and determined.

So if you're not threatened, then you shouldn't even waste your time thinking about this. Who cares?

I do. I don't like grifters/cheaters impacting my community.

Do you only care about things that immediately impact you?

There's a word for that...

Does schooling affect the kid's innate capability? If it does, is it cheating?

We all make lots of choices when it comes to our kids. If you want to prep go ahead. We did no prepping but I work with someone who thinks it is basically a requirement if you want to get in. She really encouraged me to enroll my daughter in a class. Both of our kids have been in magnets all along..who knows!

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Anonymous wrote:Studying is for cheaters!

When it comes to tests for innate ability, yup.

Nothing more than an attempt to manipulate results to make ordinary children appear to be "gifted".

If the test measures inmate ability, then studying wouldn't affect the outcome, but if it does, well you might want question some of your assumptions.

What a joke. If the test scores can be improved through studying or taking practice tests, then *by definition* the test is not one that measures innate ability.

Moreover, many very smart kids don't do well on timed/multiple choice tests, no matter how smart they are. Smarter even than the kids who ace the test first try. The idea that the CoGAT measures "true giftedness" is naive and uninformed.

I assume all of you parents with your knickers in a knot about taking practice tests for the CoGAT will not be buying review books for the SAT or sending your kids to prep classes when the time comes. Standardized tests in many ways are best at measuring one variable: the student's ability to take standardized tests.

This is ridiculous--what a burden to place on a child. It's not easy to get into the HGCs. So, how is you CHILD going to feel if they don't get in after spending "quality time" with mommy bonding over Cogat workbooks?

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Anonymous wrote:Studying is for cheaters!

When it comes to tests for innate ability, yup.

Nothing more than an attempt to manipulate results to make ordinary children appear to be "gifted".

Hilarious. If that's really true then you wouldn't be threatened by kids who study. It's all 'innate'? Then how would studying help?

Who's threatened? Kid #1 tested off the charts, kid #2 too young for it to be an issue.

I just don't like strivers/grifters who try to game the system.

You'll note that I said "attempt" to manipulate the results, but certainly test design is not a perfect science.

Even tests designed to test innate traits can be gamed by those sufficiently desperate and determined.

So if you're not threatened, then you shouldn't even waste your time thinking about this. Who cares?

I do. I don't like grifters/cheaters impacting my community.

Do you only care about things that immediately impact you?

There's a word for that...

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Anonymous wrote:Studying is for cheaters!

When it comes to tests for innate ability, yup.

Nothing more than an attempt to manipulate results to make ordinary children appear to be "gifted".

Hilarious. If that's really true then you wouldn't be threatened by kids who study. It's all 'innate'? Then how would studying help?

Who's threatened? Kid #1 tested off the charts, kid #2 too young for it to be an issue.

I just don't like strivers/grifters who try to game the system.

You'll note that I said "attempt" to manipulate the results, but certainly test design is not a perfect science.

Even tests designed to test innate traits can be gamed by those sufficiently desperate and determined.

So if you're not threatened, then you shouldn't even waste your time thinking about this. Who cares?

Anonymous wrote:If you want to know if test prep is cheating, ask your school. Ask them what test they are using so your child can prepare. See what their response is to you. That should tell you what you need to know. The schools do not publicize the contents of the tests because the schools do not want the results to be influenced by the parents.

Such a joke. Are you talking about MCPS? MCPS doesn't tell parents anything ever. No big surprise. Do you try to get your kids MAP scores? It's like pulling teeth. Report cards? Minimal amount of info given.

If you want to know if test prep is cheating, ask your school. Ask them what test they are using so your child can prepare. See what their response is to you. That should tell you what you need to know. The schools do not publicize the contents of the tests because the schools do not want the results to be influenced by the parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Studying is for cheaters!

When it comes to tests for innate ability, yup.

Nothing more than an attempt to manipulate results to make ordinary children appear to be "gifted".

Hilarious. If that's really true then you wouldn't be threatened by kids who study. It's all 'innate'? Then how would studying help?

Who's threatened? Kid #1 tested off the charts, kid #2 too young for it to be an issue.

I just don't like strivers/grifters who try to game the system.

You'll note that I said "attempt" to manipulate the results, but certainly test design is not a perfect science.

Even tests designed to test innate traits can be gamed by those sufficiently desperate and determined.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Studying is for cheaters!

When it comes to tests for innate ability, yup.

Nothing more than an attempt to manipulate results to make ordinary children appear to be "gifted".

Hilarious. If that's really true then you wouldn't be threatened by kids who study. It's all 'innate'? Then how would studying help?

Anonymous wrote:Studying is for cheaters!

When it comes to tests for innate ability, yup.

Nothing more than an attempt to manipulate results to make ordinary children appear to be "gifted".