Anonymous
01/30/2017 13:37
Subject: Re:Americans traveling internationally... and worried about being let back while being openly critical
Anonymous wrote:Yes, far fetched. Way far fetched. You watch to much news, anyone with a valid Passport is automaticly allowed back in.
This. The hysteria has me scratching my head. People have lost all ability for critical thinking.
Anonymous
01/30/2017 13:35
Subject: Re:Americans traveling internationally... and worried about being let back while being openly critical
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are a US citizen and not born in one of the seven countries on the banned list you will have no issues travelling through US immigration and customs whatsoever.
Panic and run around like a chicken with its head cut off if you want to make yourself feel better, but that is simply the reality. Trump's EO is a terrible one and misplaced but it will not affect you unless you are, as mentioned, from one of the seven countries.
You must be white and have an Anglo name. I've know tons of Muslim and brown people (American born citizens) who were detained for hours or overnight, and questioned, when they came back from something like a bachelor weekend in Aruba.
But how fortunate for you!!
Do you have evidence of this? If "tons of Muslim and brown people" who are American born citizens are being detailed for hours or overnight in the last few days it would be all over the papers. How do you know so many Muslims and brown people who happened to be travelling in the last few days? If this happened in the before this mess blew up, where was the outrage?
Or is it a case of someone who happened to be Muslim and / or brown skinned being pulled for random questioning in the past, how did you know it wasn't a 15 minute interview being exaggerated into hours as is often the case?
I'm white, by the way, and I've been pulled aside and questioned because I travelled to the Middle East a lot for work.
Why don't you talk to this 5 yr old AMERICAN from Maryland - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/detained-child-reunited_us_588e48d6e4b0b065cbbcb559
Anonymous
01/30/2017 13:24
Subject: Re:Americans traveling internationally... and worried about being let back while being openly critical
They were blocking green card holders who are legal, so there's that.
From what I just heard, that has been clarified and they have let them in. FWIW, there is no law against stopping and questioning anyone. Have you never been detained for a few minutes when traveling internationally? Or, been behind someone who was?
And, one situation I read about was two green card Yemini nationals at Dulles. They were 19 and 20, I think the paper said. Paper said they were sent back. I do not know if this is true or not. However, I can understand why young men of that age coming from Yemen would have been questioned. Yemen is a mess with terrorist training camps, etc. We had a Seal killed there last week.
Anonymous
01/30/2017 12:53
Subject: Re:Americans traveling internationally... and worried about being let back while being openly critical
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are a US citizen and not born in one of the seven countries on the banned list you will have no issues travelling through US immigration and customs whatsoever.
Panic and run around like a chicken with its head cut off if you want to make yourself feel better, but that is simply the reality. Trump's EO is a terrible one and misplaced but it will not affect you unless you are, as mentioned, from one of the seven countries.
You must be white and have an Anglo name. I've know tons of Muslim and brown people (American born citizens) who were detained for hours or overnight, and questioned, when they came back from something like a bachelor weekend in Aruba.
But how fortunate for you!!
Do you have evidence of this? If "tons of Muslim and brown people" who are American born citizens are being detailed for hours or overnight in the last few days it would be all over the papers. How do you know so many Muslims and brown people who happened to be travelling in the last few days? If this happened in the before this mess blew up, where was the outrage?
Or is it a case of someone who happened to be Muslim and / or brown skinned being pulled for random questioning in the past, how did you know it wasn't a 15 minute interview being exaggerated into hours as is often the case?
I'm white, by the way, and I've been pulled aside and questioned because I travelled to the Middle East a lot for work.
Anonymous
01/30/2017 12:23
Subject: Re:Americans traveling internationally... and worried about being let back while being openly critical
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are a US citizen and not born in one of the seven countries on the banned list you will have no issues travelling through US immigration and customs whatsoever.
Panic and run around like a chicken with its head cut off if you want to make yourself feel better, but that is simply the reality. Trump's EO is a terrible one and misplaced but it will not affect you unless you are, as mentioned, from one of the seven countries.
You must be white and have an Anglo name. I've know tons of Muslim and brown people (American born citizens) who were detained for hours or overnight, and questioned, when they came back from something like a bachelor weekend in Aruba.
But how fortunate for you!!
+1 Must be nice to live in a bubble.
Anonymous
01/30/2017 11:54
Subject: Americans traveling internationally... and worried about being let back while being openly critical
OP here. American passports say where you were born, whether you were born on US soil (in which case the state is specified), or another country.
I was born in the US, so passport lists the state. Why would a birth certificate help in addition to this?
I was born in the US, so passport lists the state. Why would a birth certificate help in addition to this?
Anonymous
01/30/2017 11:52
Subject: Re:Americans traveling internationally... and worried about being let back while being openly critical
Anonymous wrote:If you are a US citizen and not born in one of the seven countries on the banned list you will have no issues travelling through US immigration and customs whatsoever.
Panic and run around like a chicken with its head cut off if you want to make yourself feel better, but that is simply the reality. Trump's EO is a terrible one and misplaced but it will not affect you unless you are, as mentioned, from one of the seven countries.
For now. I am certain that you must be a white American to have this view and think that any other people worried are fools panicking.
Anonymous
01/30/2017 11:52
Subject: Re:Americans traveling internationally... and worried about being let back while being openly critical
Anonymous wrote:If you are a US citizen and not born in one of the seven countries on the banned list you will have no issues travelling through US immigration and customs whatsoever.
Panic and run around like a chicken with its head cut off if you want to make yourself feel better, but that is simply the reality. Trump's EO is a terrible one and misplaced but it will not affect you unless you are, as mentioned, from one of the seven countries.
You must be white and have an Anglo name. I've know tons of Muslim and brown people (American born citizens) who were detained for hours or overnight, and questioned, when they came back from something like a bachelor weekend in Aruba.
But how fortunate for you!!
Anonymous
01/30/2017 11:41
Subject: Re:Americans traveling internationally... and worried about being let back while being openly critical
If you are a US citizen and not born in one of the seven countries on the banned list you will have no issues travelling through US immigration and customs whatsoever.
Panic and run around like a chicken with its head cut off if you want to make yourself feel better, but that is simply the reality. Trump's EO is a terrible one and misplaced but it will not affect you unless you are, as mentioned, from one of the seven countries.
Panic and run around like a chicken with its head cut off if you want to make yourself feel better, but that is simply the reality. Trump's EO is a terrible one and misplaced but it will not affect you unless you are, as mentioned, from one of the seven countries.
Anonymous
01/30/2017 11:08
Subject: Re:Americans traveling internationally... and worried about being let back while being openly critical
Anonymous wrote:Why a birth certificate? Mine shows I was born outside the US (because my American parents were living overseas at the time). So not sure how a birth certificate will be better than my US passport but maybe I am missing something (leaving today so just want to be prepared).
Then for you a birth certificate isn't helpful. I'd think any identification shoring up your status as a citizen should be brought. The more the better.
Anonymous
01/30/2017 10:13
Subject: Re:Americans traveling internationally... and worried about being let back while being openly critical
Why a birth certificate? Mine shows I was born outside the US (because my American parents were living overseas at the time). So not sure how a birth certificate will be better than my US passport but maybe I am missing something (leaving today so just want to be prepared).
Anonymous
01/30/2017 09:48
Subject: Americans traveling internationally... and worried about being let back while being openly critical
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you have been openly critical about the Trump administration, what are your thoughts on this concern?
You should definitely be scared because dat mean ole Nazi gonna put you in Gitmo or something!
Yes. Steve Banning is now a permanent member of the national security council and the Joint Chiefs of staff is not. The term Nazi is no longer a joke when there is one on the NSC.
If traveling, I would definitely have the name of a lawyer and your birth certificate as well as your passport.
Anonymous
01/30/2017 09:45
Subject: Re:Americans traveling internationally... and worried about being let back while being openly critical
Anonymous wrote:I'd bring birth certificates (along with my passport obviously) and the name of a good lawyer even if you are a citizen and especially if you're not white. They were blocking green card holders who are legal, so there's that. Citizens are next. It seems to be an act first, and apologize later, type of administration. So just because it is illegal doesn't mean they won't do it.
This.
I have neighbors who are naturalized US citizens who canceled all international travel plans after Trump's inauguration. I thought they were over reacting at the time, when I had hope this would be a "normal" Republican presidency. One week in I think they did the right thing.
Anonymous
01/30/2017 09:43
Subject: Americans traveling internationally... and worried about being let back while being openly critical
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe a lawyer can comment but I don't think they can bar entry to a US citizen.
I don't think you can take anything for granted these days.
+1
Anonymous
01/30/2017 09:37
Subject: Americans traveling internationally... and worried about being let back while being openly critical
Anonymous wrote:If you have been openly critical about the Trump administration, what are your thoughts on this concern?
You should definitely be scared because dat mean ole Nazi gonna put you in Gitmo or something!
