Anonymous wrote:Good explanation of why Trump lose this battle:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/opinion/trumps-immigration-ban-is-illegal.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0&mtrref=www.nytimes.com&gwh=F44482FBCAF908CFC1E420DE14A0D22A&gwt=pay&assetType=opinion

Behind the paywall, so short version: Congress outlawed discrimination against immigrant based on National Origin (sound familiar??) in 1965. So, the EO is illegal. He will argue national security needs, and then we start pointing out how random the list of countries is.

That said, Trump can lose this one, and still win. The mere fact he tried will make his base very happy, which is sickening.

Congress banned the long-standing quota system that had been used to dole out visas to immigrants based on country of origin. That law might not be binding in this case.

One man has been released from JFK. But there is at least one ther man there. And some at SFO

Donate to CAIR and ACLU to support their challenge.
Call your representatives, they can override veto.

Good explanation of why Trump lose this battle:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/opinion/trumps-immigration-ban-is-illegal.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0&mtrref=www.nytimes.com&gwh=F44482FBCAF908CFC1E420DE14A0D22A&gwt=pay&assetType=opinion

Behind the paywall, so short version: Congress outlawed discrimination against immigrant based on National Origin (sound familiar??) in 1965. So, the EO is illegal. He will argue national security needs, and then we start pointing out how random the list of countries is.

That said, Trump can lose this one, and still win. The mere fact he tried will make his base very happy, which is sickening.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain to me how this is happening so quickly? If the ban is illegal and unconstitutional, shouldn't it be challenged and a judgment made before putting it into effect?

Lawsuits have been or will be filed today. The EO went into immediate effect.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/aclu-and-other-groups-challenge-trump-immigration-ban-after-refugees-detained

Thank you, ACLU.

I have been detained three times at Dulles with my European born husband when he had a visa and a green card. Each time the immigration agent claimed there was no record of either of us leaving the country so how could we be coming back in if we never left. Accused of faking our own identity. Twice I was accused of trying to smuggle in a different male other than my DH and allowing him the right to use my DH's passport (it was my DH). We are white. We don't have unusual names. This was during W's first term, one time even before 9/11.

It was terrible. Once we were separated and I was bullied to admit guilt and it was like a bad movie. That time I had to get my employer on the phone to fax verification that I worked there and under their HR files my tax info. The other two times I refused to be separated. The last time we were detained and put in that special room at Dulles we were the only nonMuslim people there. When his green card was approved the detainments stopped.

Being held is incredible frightening. You do not have many rights, even if you are a citizen. And even if you do have rights, hat doesn't mean they will be honored. It can even happen to a US citizen. We should all be incredibly concerned about how these people are being treated. Saying being held is no big deal, it is.

This is why I don't care anymore about whatever happens to this country and to all of us.
People knew how terrible Trump is but they still went ahead to vote for him!
Others even refused to get out to vote and now they are complaining the most!
Sorry folks but we are going to have to learn the hard way on this one!
Not sorry and ready to deal with whatever!

Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain to me how this is happening so quickly? If the ban is illegal and unconstitutional, shouldn't it be challenged and a judgment made before putting it into effect?

Legal concept is Standing. Random John Doe can't challenge the ban. It has to be challenged by someone who is actually being harmed. Now that people are being denied entry and detained, they have standing to challenge-- and they are. In fact, I read in the WAPo that a class action had been filed, with two vetted refugees who were on a plane when the ban came down and were denied entry and the lead plaintiffs. So it is starting through the legal system. And they chose well. Entry into JFK is NY, which is the Second Circuit, which leans liberal. If they overturn the ban and it goes to the Supreme Court where there are 8 members and there is a 4-4 split, lower Court ruling holds, but only for that Circuit. LAX is in the 9th Circuit, with is very liberal, and would be another great place to get a plaintiff. All that said, this will have to go through several layers of appeal, so it will take some time to get an answer.

TLDR: before you can sue in many cases, you gotta find someone who is directly impacted.

Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain to me how this is happening so quickly? If the ban is illegal and unconstitutional, shouldn't it be challenged and a judgment made before putting it into effect?

Lawsuits have been or will be filed today. The EO went into immediate effect.

Can someone please explain to me how this is happening so quickly? If the ban is illegal and unconstitutional, shouldn't it be challenged and a judgment made before putting it into effect?

JFC this guy is a total moron

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would greencard holders not be able to return? They are not applying for new visas.

Valid visas are being ignored. The EO is being applied to current visa holders.

Green Card holders too, which are already "extremely vetted"

Here we go, Iran has just banned me from entering their country in response to Trumps ban.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would greencard holders not be able to return? They are not applying for new visas.

Because the order applies to anyone attempting to enter the country, not anyone applying for a visa.

My guess is it's illegal written that way bit it will take a while to sort out and courts are generally pretty relictant to interfere with border operations.

Goes to show what amateurs Trump's people are.

Either amateurs or evil assholes. Neither is good.

Between this and the rhetoric about the media, I'm increasingly disheartened about where we are headed as a country.