Anonymous
Post 01/26/2017 00:49     Subject: Question for people 50+
Anonymous wrote:I am 31. I have never seen sustained political resistance and opposition like this towards a president before in my life that I can remember.

Is there a comparison in modern history?


Your question really should have gone to people over 60. It was like this in the 1960s, with a divided country and a lot of anger on both sides. There was more violence back then, but we are still just at the beginning. Things could get a lot worse.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2017 00:40     Subject: Question for people 50+
Anonymous wrote:OP: In the olden days of yore, you had: CBS, NBC, and ABC. The evening news was 30 minutes a night, not 24 hours a day. You didn't have millions of screaming infantile adult tantrumers on social media pissing their diapers and causing huge uproars over absolutely nothing like you do today.

In those days, people would be ASHAMED if caught being involved in the infantile behavior you saw on Election Night and similar behavior from the left.

Times are different.


The Watergate hearings were televised live, at least where I was.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2017 00:29     Subject: Question for people 50+
Anonymous wrote:OP: In the olden days of yore, you had: CBS, NBC, and ABC. The evening news was 30 minutes a night, not 24 hours a day. You didn't have millions of screaming infantile adult tantrumers on social media pissing their diapers and causing huge uproars over absolutely nothing like you do today.

In those days, people would be ASHAMED if caught being involved in the infantile behavior you saw on Election Night and similar behavior from the left.

Times are different.

Lots of people mugging for the camera. Love the internet and the tools it provides. Hate social media as it is used by so many and what it does to our society.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2017 00:13     Subject: Question for people 50+
OP: In the olden days of yore, you had: CBS, NBC, and ABC. The evening news was 30 minutes a night, not 24 hours a day. You didn't have millions of screaming infantile adult tantrumers on social media pissing their diapers and causing huge uproars over absolutely nothing like you do today.

In those days, people would be ASHAMED if caught being involved in the infantile behavior you saw on Election Night and similar behavior from the left.

Times are different.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2017 00:04     Subject: Question for people 50+
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/from-nixon-to-trump-the-parallels-between-1968-and-2016/Content?oid=5086105

I am almost 50, and so only barely remember the political divisions regarding the Vietnam War and then Richard Nixon. My MIL, who accompanied me to the Mall on Saturday, said that she participated in the 1968 Chicago protests. The article cited above theorizes that just as the civil rights, women's movement, and endless foreign wars created a traditionalists vs. progressives split that gave rise to Nixon, similar conditions existed in this election cycle.

My fear is that unlike the Nixon era, which had Nixon vs. a Democrat-controlled Congress---Trump is completely unfettered, as the GOP has shown that it is willing to overlook anything in order to keep power (and from alienating Trump's populist supporters).

Born around 67? You don't remember anything about Vietnam or Nixon.

As for Trump unfettered. He will do his best to piss off both parties from time to time. Then you have those who will politically suck up to America through Trump. For instance, the Democrat proposal of a 1 Trillion Dollar infrastructure plan.

That said, as much as I dislike the man, he will be better at working deals than Obama.


I'm not the person you're responding to, but I was born in 1967 and yes I do remember lots about Nixon. I also remember something about Vietnam. How is it you think we can't remember 1974?


Because you were in 2nd grade in 74?

You remember reruns and docs made well after the fact. There was no CNN, Fox etc. and cable was rare. Much of the news was gathered through newspapers and magazines with 30 minutes of national news in the evening. Not to mention an understanding of government and what was really happening. When you were six did you understand the ramifications of the Saturday Night Massacre?


What is your problem? I watched Nixon resign live on TV and discussed it with my parents. I still have the Washington Post with the headlines. No, sorry I did not understand the full ramifications of the Saturday Night Massacre but I understood what a cover up was.

"yes I do remember lots about Nixon"

That's my problem. As one that lived through that time as an adult you have no clue to the whole of what unraveled through Watergate. I could understand it if you were 17 but not 5, 6 or 7.

Those of us who lived through three assignations, Vietnam, Watergate, racism, the riots....well...you just had to be there, and be aware, to fully understand. No way would I try to equate to something I 'knew' about when I was a child and what my parents did.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 23:33     Subject: Question for people 50+
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/from-nixon-to-trump-the-parallels-between-1968-and-2016/Content?oid=5086105

I am almost 50, and so only barely remember the political divisions regarding the Vietnam War and then Richard Nixon. My MIL, who accompanied me to the Mall on Saturday, said that she participated in the 1968 Chicago protests. The article cited above theorizes that just as the civil rights, women's movement, and endless foreign wars created a traditionalists vs. progressives split that gave rise to Nixon, similar conditions existed in this election cycle.

My fear is that unlike the Nixon era, which had Nixon vs. a Democrat-controlled Congress---Trump is completely unfettered, as the GOP has shown that it is willing to overlook anything in order to keep power (and from alienating Trump's populist supporters).

Born around 67? You don't remember anything about Vietnam or Nixon.

As for Trump unfettered. He will do his best to piss off both parties from time to time. Then you have those who will politically suck up to America through Trump. For instance, the Democrat proposal of a 1 Trillion Dollar infrastructure plan.

That said, as much as I dislike the man, he will be better at working deals than Obama.


I'm not the person you're responding to, but I was born in 1967 and yes I do remember lots about Nixon. I also remember something about Vietnam. How is it you think we can't remember 1974?


Because you were in 2nd grade in 74?

You remember reruns and docs made well after the fact. There was no CNN, Fox etc. and cable was rare. Much of the news was gathered through newspapers and magazines with 30 minutes of national news in the evening. Not to mention an understanding of government and what was really happening. When you were six did you understand the ramifications of the Saturday Night Massacre?


What is your problem? I watched Nixon resign live on TV and discussed it with my parents. I still have the Washington Post with the headlines. No, sorry I did not understand the full ramifications of the Saturday Night Massacre but I understood what a cover up was.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 23:33     Subject: Question for people 50+
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am only 37. So, I have not seen much more than you have. However, I remember there was a lot of opposition with Bush. People were really upset because Gore won the popular vote. It was a similar situation. However, this time it is much worse.

Anonymous wrote:I am 31. I have never seen sustained political resistance and opposition like this towards a president before in my life that I can remember.

Is there a comparison in modern history?


It was much more intense around 1970. Track the history of the song "4 dead in Ohio."

That picture at Kent was one of the many from that era that cannot be unseen. Burned into memory.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 23:28     Subject: Question for people 50+
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/from-nixon-to-trump-the-parallels-between-1968-and-2016/Content?oid=5086105

I am almost 50, and so only barely remember the political divisions regarding the Vietnam War and then Richard Nixon. My MIL, who accompanied me to the Mall on Saturday, said that she participated in the 1968 Chicago protests. The article cited above theorizes that just as the civil rights, women's movement, and endless foreign wars created a traditionalists vs. progressives split that gave rise to Nixon, similar conditions existed in this election cycle.

My fear is that unlike the Nixon era, which had Nixon vs. a Democrat-controlled Congress---Trump is completely unfettered, as the GOP has shown that it is willing to overlook anything in order to keep power (and from alienating Trump's populist supporters).

Born around 67? You don't remember anything about Vietnam or Nixon.

As for Trump unfettered. He will do his best to piss off both parties from time to time. Then you have those who will politically suck up to America through Trump. For instance, the Democrat proposal of a 1 Trillion Dollar infrastructure plan.

That said, as much as I dislike the man, he will be better at working deals than Obama.


I'm not the person you're responding to, but I was born in 1967 and yes I do remember lots about Nixon. I also remember something about Vietnam. How is it you think we can't remember 1974?


Because you were in 2nd grade in 74?

You remember reruns and docs made well after the fact. There was no CNN, Fox etc. and cable was rare. Much of the news was gathered through newspapers and magazines with 30 minutes of national news in the evening. Not to mention an understanding of government and what was really happening. When you were six did you understand the ramifications of the Saturday Night Massacre?
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 23:14     Subject: Question for people 50+
Anonymous wrote:I am only 37. So, I have not seen much more than you have. However, I remember there was a lot of opposition with Bush. People were really upset because Gore won the popular vote. It was a similar situation. However, this time it is much worse.

While I can't compare to the Vietnam era since I was not born, it's ridiculous to compare the current sentiment to Bush II. Yes, there was a demonstration to oppose the Iraq War, but that was a much more predictable thing. A women's march around the country and world with millions of people on the day after the Inauguration?! That really is unprecedented in the last 30-40 years. I mean, scientists are now organizing a march. We never do stuff like that.

I have no idea what the next 4-8 years will bring, other than revolting acquiescence from both sides in Congress, but it'll sure be interesting.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 23:13     Subject: Question for people 50+
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/from-nixon-to-trump-the-parallels-between-1968-and-2016/Content?oid=5086105

I am almost 50, and so only barely remember the political divisions regarding the Vietnam War and then Richard Nixon. My MIL, who accompanied me to the Mall on Saturday, said that she participated in the 1968 Chicago protests. The article cited above theorizes that just as the civil rights, women's movement, and endless foreign wars created a traditionalists vs. progressives split that gave rise to Nixon, similar conditions existed in this election cycle.

My fear is that unlike the Nixon era, which had Nixon vs. a Democrat-controlled Congress---Trump is completely unfettered, as the GOP has shown that it is willing to overlook anything in order to keep power (and from alienating Trump's populist supporters).

Born around 67? You don't remember anything about Vietnam or Nixon.

As for Trump unfettered. He will do his best to piss off both parties from time to time. Then you have those who will politically suck up to America through Trump. For instance, the Democrat proposal of a 1 Trillion Dollar infrastructure plan.

That said, as much as I dislike the man, he will be better at working deals than Obama.


I'm not the person you're responding to, but I was born in 1967 and yes I do remember lots about Nixon. I also remember something about Vietnam. How is it you think we can't remember 1974?
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 23:12     Subject: Question for people 50+
Anonymous wrote:I am only 37. So, I have not seen much more than you have. However, I remember there was a lot of opposition with Bush. People were really upset because Gore won the popular vote. It was a similar situation. However, this time it is much worse.

Anonymous wrote:I am 31. I have never seen sustained political resistance and opposition like this towards a president before in my life that I can remember.

Is there a comparison in modern history?


It was much more intense around 1970. Track the history of the song "4 dead in Ohio."
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 23:03     Subject: Question for people 50+
Anonymous wrote:I am only 37. So, I have not seen much more than you have. However, I remember there was a lot of opposition with Bush. People were really upset because Gore won the popular vote. It was a similar situation. However, this time it is much worse.

Anonymous wrote:I am 31. I have never seen sustained political resistance and opposition like this towards a president before in my life that I can remember.

Is there a comparison in modern history?


I remember that a bit but remember it as being much more about the process, all, hanging Chad's and wtf is wrong with Florida not so much this kind of public revulsion for Bush. Some of that in his 2nd term but not then
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 23:01     Subject: Question for people 50+
Anonymous wrote:http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/from-nixon-to-trump-the-parallels-between-1968-and-2016/Content?oid=5086105

I am almost 50, and so only barely remember the political divisions regarding the Vietnam War and then Richard Nixon. My MIL, who accompanied me to the Mall on Saturday, said that she participated in the 1968 Chicago protests. The article cited above theorizes that just as the civil rights, women's movement, and endless foreign wars created a traditionalists vs. progressives split that gave rise to Nixon, similar conditions existed in this election cycle.

My fear is that unlike the Nixon era, which had Nixon vs. a Democrat-controlled Congress---Trump is completely unfettered, as the GOP has shown that it is willing to overlook anything in order to keep power (and from alienating Trump's populist supporters).

Born around 67? You don't remember anything about Vietnam or Nixon.

As for Trump unfettered. He will do his best to piss off both parties from time to time. Then you have those who will politically suck up to America through Trump. For instance, the Democrat proposal of a 1 Trillion Dollar infrastructure plan.

That said, as much as I dislike the man, he will be better at working deals than Obama.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 23:00     Subject: Question for people 50+
I am only 37. So, I have not seen much more than you have. However, I remember there was a lot of opposition with Bush. People were really upset because Gore won the popular vote. It was a similar situation. However, this time it is much worse.

Anonymous wrote:I am 31. I have never seen sustained political resistance and opposition like this towards a president before in my life that I can remember.

Is there a comparison in modern history?
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2017 22:57     Subject: Question for people 50+
Viet Nam war and the many protests. You just have to pace yourself and to remember to follow the playbook to disrupt town halls in person and find new people to run for Congress.