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Anonymous wrote:Naviance also won't tell you if acceptances were legacies or sports recruits. This can throw off the numbers I think

Yes, but you can usually infer that someone who had a vastly lower GPA or test scores, brought something special to the school, be it sport, legacy, whatever. My DC's GPA was below the average for acceptances at top-ranked state school according to HS's naviance, but he got in as sports recruit.

Thank you for an realistic, first-hand statement.

Which tells you absolutely nothing.

NP here -- it tells you that outlier data can be misleading, and that factors not captured by Naviance data can be decisive. That's useful, if unoriginal, information that many parents overlook when confronted by Naviance and their own desperate desire for some guidance in the crazy and unpredictable game of admissions.

Further, by definition an "outlier" tells you nothing about a pattern or trend. They only exist.

Unoriginal and banal, indeed. -1.

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Anonymous wrote:Naviance also won't tell you if acceptances were legacies or sports recruits. This can throw off the numbers I think

Yes, but you can usually infer that someone who had a vastly lower GPA or test scores, brought something special to the school, be it sport, legacy, whatever. My DC's GPA was below the average for acceptances at top-ranked state school according to HS's naviance, but he got in as sports recruit.

Thank you for an realistic, first-hand statement.

Which tells you absolutely nothing.

NP here -- it tells you that outlier data can be misleading, and that factors not captured by Naviance data can be decisive. That's useful, if unoriginal, information that many parents overlook when confronted by Naviance and their own desperate desire for some guidance in the crazy and unpredictable game of admissions.

Further, by definition an "outlier" tells you nothing about a pattern or trend. They only exist.

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Anonymous wrote:Naviance also won't tell you if acceptances were legacies or sports recruits. This can throw off the numbers I think

Yes, but you can usually infer that someone who had a vastly lower GPA or test scores, brought something special to the school, be it sport, legacy, whatever. My DC's GPA was below the average for acceptances at top-ranked state school according to HS's naviance, but he got in as sports recruit.

Thank you for an realistic, first-hand statement.

Which tells you absolutely nothing.

NP here -- it tells you that outlier data can be misleading, and that factors not captured by Naviance data can be decisive. That's useful, if unoriginal, information that many parents overlook when confronted by Naviance and their own desperate desire for some guidance in the crazy and unpredictable game of admissions.

Seriously, do you think that there are parents of college bound students out there who don't understand that a football recruit might be at outlier in Naviance data? Unoriginal, indeed.

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Anonymous wrote:Naviance also won't tell you if acceptances were legacies or sports recruits. This can throw off the numbers I think

Yes, but you can usually infer that someone who had a vastly lower GPA or test scores, brought something special to the school, be it sport, legacy, whatever. My DC's GPA was below the average for acceptances at top-ranked state school according to HS's naviance, but he got in as sports recruit.

Thank you for an realistic, first-hand statement.

Which tells you absolutely nothing.

NP here -- it tells you that outlier data can be misleading, and that factors not captured by Naviance data can be decisive. That's useful, if unoriginal, information that many parents overlook when confronted by Naviance and their own desperate desire for some guidance in the crazy and unpredictable game of admissions.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Naviance also won't tell you if acceptances were legacies or sports recruits. This can throw off the numbers I think

Yes, but you can usually infer that someone who had a vastly lower GPA or test scores, brought something special to the school, be it sport, legacy, whatever. My DC's GPA was below the average for acceptances at top-ranked state school according to HS's naviance, but he got in as sports recruit.

Thank you for an realistic, first-hand statement.

Which tells you absolutely nothing.

NP here -- it tells you that outlier data can be misleading, and that factors not captured by Naviance data can be decisive. That's useful, if unoriginal, information that many parents overlook when confronted by Naviance and their own desperate desire for some guidance in the crazy and unpredictable game of admissions.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Naviance also won't tell you if acceptances were legacies or sports recruits. This can throw off the numbers I think

Yes, but you can usually infer that someone who had a vastly lower GPA or test scores, brought something special to the school, be it sport, legacy, whatever. My DC's GPA was below the average for acceptances at top-ranked state school according to HS's naviance, but he got in as sports recruit.

Thank you for an realistic, first-hand statement.

Which tells you absolutely nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Naviance also won't tell you if acceptances were legacies or sports recruits. This can throw off the numbers I think

Yes, but you can usually infer that someone who had a vastly lower GPA or test scores, brought something special to the school, be it sport, legacy, whatever. My DC's GPA was below the average for acceptances at top-ranked state school according to HS's naviance, but he got in as sports recruit.

Thank you for an realistic, first-hand statement.

Anonymous wrote:Naviance also won't tell you if acceptances were legacies or sports recruits. This can throw off the numbers I think

Yes, but you can usually infer that someone who had a vastly lower GPA or test scores, brought something special to the school, be it sport, legacy, whatever. My DC's GPA was below the average for acceptances at top-ranked state school according to HS's naviance, but he got in as sports recruit.

It might be different for large public schools, but for our kids' small independent school, we've found Naviance to be fairly useless. The pool is simply too limited, I guess. For our two oldest, Naviance data indicated that they had virtually no chance to go to the schools where they were accepted in the early round. Hoestly, I doubt we'll even bother to look at Naviance when our youngest applies.

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Anonymous wrote:why doesn't naviance include race and hooks? that would be really useful, yes?

Naviance data is not self reported. Who gets to assign the labels?

school counseling offices.

they have this data as do data on recruits (perhaps not legacies but naviance should find a way to incorporate that).

Not anonymous enough, it would be very easy to identify individual athlete's scores.

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Anonymous wrote:why doesn't naviance include race and hooks? that would be really useful, yes?

Naviance data is not self reported. Who gets to assign the labels?

Accept/Reject data are self-reported

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Anonymous wrote:why doesn't naviance include race and hooks? that would be really useful, yes?

Naviance data is not self reported. Who gets to assign the labels?

school counseling offices.

they have this data as do data on recruits (perhaps not legacies but naviance should find a way to incorporate that).

It would be highly unethical for them to categorize kids as legacy, URM, or other without specific knowledge of how students represented themselves to colleges.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:why doesn't naviance include race and hooks? that would be really useful, yes?

Naviance data is not self reported. Who gets to assign the labels?

school counseling offices.

they have this data as do data on recruits (perhaps not legacies but naviance should find a way to incorporate that).

Anonymous wrote:why doesn't naviance include race and hooks? that would be really useful, yes?

Naviance data is not self reported. Who gets to assign the labels?

why doesn't naviance include race and hooks? that would be really useful, yes?