Anonymous wrote:Great, but don't compare the 2.

Btw, my kids NNAT was same as the FSIQ, so I guess the NNAT is a cheaper version of the WISC.

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Great, but don't compare the 2.

Btw, my kids NNAT was same as the FSIQ, so I guess the NNAT is a cheaper version of the WISC.

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It is not a WISC score, but the general trend is that a FSIQ and the CogAT composite score DO track one another. They are usually within a few points of each other.

This was not the case with any of my three kids.

Yes, one of my children has an IEP and has had different cognitive tests over the years. Her IQ consistently scored well above her COgat or nNAT numbers.

Agreed. PP likes to think this so that she/he can say kids IQ is...But only thevwisc correlates directly to IQ. CogAT not so - it's only an assessment of ability. Not an IQ. Please don't even try to compare.

NP here. My son's WISC and Cogat were comparable (WISC was slightly higher)

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It is not a WISC score, but the general trend is that a FSIQ and the CogAT composite score DO track one another. They are usually within a few points of each other.

This was not the case with any of my three kids.

Yes, one of my children has an IEP and has had different cognitive tests over the years. Her IQ consistently scored well above her COgat or nNAT numbers.

Agreed. PP likes to think this so that she/he can say kids IQ is...But only thevwisc correlates directly to IQ. CogAT not so - it's only an assessment of ability. Not an IQ. Please don't even try to compare.

Anonymous wrote:OP, use this guide to write your parent referral letter. Make sure to say always/consistently/etc when describing your child. In other words, you'd rate your child a 16/16.

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/forms/AAPGiftedBehaviorRatingScale_0.pdf

Please post back if you need help. I'm helping a friend now. Actually helping her with the letter. I have the child's report cards and scores.

Good luck!

Why do you need to be sure to have a 16? Shouldn't she submit what she really thinks?

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It is not a WISC score, but the general trend is that a FSIQ and the CogAT composite score DO track one another. They are usually within a few points of each other.

This was not the case with any of my three kids.

Yes, one of my children has an IEP and has had different cognitive tests over the years. Her IQ consistently scored well above her COgat or nNAT numbers.

This WAS the case with both of my kids. Both kids' FSIQ scores were within 2 points (one kid) and 3 points (other kid) of their Cogat scores.

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It is not a WISC score, but the general trend is that a FSIQ and the CogAT composite score DO track one another. They are usually within a few points of each other.

This was not the case with any of my three kids.

Yes, one of my children has an IEP and has had different cognitive tests over the years. Her IQ consistently scored well above her COgat or nNAT numbers.

If you don't submit, there is no chance right? If you submit,what is the worst that can happen? Gets in or not. Nothing gained, nothing lost.

OP, use this guide to write your parent referral letter. Make sure to say always/consistently/etc when describing your child. In other words, you'd rate your child a 16/16.

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/forms/AAPGiftedBehaviorRatingScale_0.pdf

Please post back if you need help. I'm helping a friend now. Actually helping her with the letter. I have the child's report cards and scores.

Good luck!

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It is not a WISC score, but the general trend is that a FSIQ and the CogAT composite score DO track one another. They are usually within a few points of each other.

This was not the case with any of my three kids.

Anonymous wrote:OPs WISC is from last year, she can get a new one.

Where did she say that?

OPs WISC is from last year, she can get a new one.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you all for the input.
Highest was fluid reasoning - 94%
Memory and processing were much lower, not sure that means anything
Verbal was same as the overall score-121.

I'm almost certain it will be a denial and I will have to appeal.
I'm leaning towards not including the wisc. At least not now.

PP with the input here.

Don't submit anything but work samples and a very strong letter for referral.

If denied, get a new WISC! Then decide how to best appeal.

Also, my DC had 88-90% difference between processing and verbal/perceptual. GAI was 140+ because processing speed was SO low! But, DC is great in school - has devised ways to overcome this. Has a 504 for testing time.

A person can take the WISC only once every 12 months. It would be totally unethical to go to a different evaluator and not disclose that your child has been tested recently.

Anonymous wrote:Thank you all for the input.
Highest was fluid reasoning - 94%
Memory and processing were much lower, not sure that means anything
Verbal was same as the overall score-121.

I'm almost certain it will be a denial and I will have to appeal.
I'm leaning towards not including the wisc. At least not now.

PP with the input here.

Don't submit anything but work samples and a very strong letter for referral.

If denied, get a new WISC! Then decide how to best appeal.

Also, my DC had 88-90% difference between processing and verbal/perceptual. GAI was 140+ because processing speed was SO low! But, DC is great in school - has devised ways to overcome this. Has a 504 for testing time.

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Anonymous wrote:I probably wouldn't submit them. In general, the cogat is considered a cheap way to get a Wisc score. Many, many, many Wisc scores are close to the cogat score, as in your case. A 121 Wisc is not going to be persuasive for admission. I'm sorry.

Wrong!

Wrong! CogAT is not a cheap WISC. They don't compare, actually.

It is not a WISC score, but the general trend is that a FSIQ and the CogAT composite score DO track one another. They are usually within a few points of each other.

To the poster who suggests asking for a GAI, the GAI is only significant if there is more than a 7 point spread between some of the sections.

I personally would not submit a 121 at any time, even for appeal. It would only hinder the child UNLESS there is an underlying issue that explains the score (i.e. the score would have been higher but for the processing speed being so low.)