Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When he comes to "condole" with the Bennetts over Lydia's elopement, he says that her death would have been preferable to eloping / bringing shame upon the family. The phrase was something like "her death would have been a blessing". He also says who will want to align themselves with such a family.

His views are odious even if they weren't so strange for that time. I think he gets a bad rap because he has no social graces and is such a suck up. I think Lizzy is way too hard on Charlotte though, because the man was the only plan available to women who weren't independently wealthy. Charlotte was getting close to being past the age when women typically married.

My daughter's favorite line is "are the shades of pemberley to be thus polluted," uttered by Lady Catherine from the A&E version. I loved that Lady Catherine - she was so dramatic and bitchy.

er...it's a quote from the BOOK:
http://www.pemberley.com/etext/PandP/chapter56.htm

That's why the A&E version is a superior dramatization to the Keira Knightly crap version. The A&E version stays pretty close to Austen's words.

Uh, they say the exact same line in the Kiera Knightley version.

You people really need to calm the hell down.

It's still a quote from the book. The A&E version still uses more of Austen's words.

It sure as hell didn't include a scene with Lady Catherine bursting in on the Bennetts in the middle of the night. What moron decided to give Judi Dench a riding crop as a prop? Like woman that dumpy could straddle a horse. Plus what idiot would write in dialogue about wanting to talk in the garden? Yes, it's from the book, but when you set a scene at night in the early 1800s--the garden is pitch black.

I like the 1980 BBC TV version.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When he comes to "condole" with the Bennetts over Lydia's elopement, he says that her death would have been preferable to eloping / bringing shame upon the family. The phrase was something like "her death would have been a blessing". He also says who will want to align themselves with such a family.

His views are odious even if they weren't so strange for that time. I think he gets a bad rap because he has no social graces and is such a suck up. I think Lizzy is way too hard on Charlotte though, because the man was the only plan available to women who weren't independently wealthy. Charlotte was getting close to being past the age when women typically married.

My daughter's favorite line is "are the shades of pemberley to be thus polluted," uttered by Lady Catherine from the A&E version. I loved that Lady Catherine - she was so dramatic and bitchy.

er...it's a quote from the BOOK:
http://www.pemberley.com/etext/PandP/chapter56.htm

That's why the A&E version is a superior dramatization to the Keira Knightly crap version. The A&E version stays pretty close to Austen's words.

Uh, they say the exact same line in the Kiera Knightley version.

You people really need to calm the hell down.

Anonymous wrote:When he comes to "condole" with the Bennetts over Lydia's elopement, he says that her death would have been preferable to eloping / bringing shame upon the family. The phrase was something like "her death would have been a blessing". He also says who will want to align themselves with such a family.

His views are odious even if they weren't so strange for that time. I think he gets a bad rap because he has no social graces and is such a suck up. I think Lizzy is way too hard on Charlotte though, because the man was the only plan available to women who weren't independently wealthy. Charlotte was getting close to being past the age when women typically married.

My daughter's favorite line is "are the shades of pemberley to be thus polluted," uttered by Lady Catherine from the A&E version. I loved that Lady Catherine - she was so dramatic and bitchy.

er...it's a quote from the BOOK:
http://www.pemberley.com/etext/PandP/chapter56.htm

That's why the A&E version is a superior dramatization to the Keira Knightly crap version. The A&E version stays pretty close to Austen's words.

When he comes to "condole" with the Bennetts over Lydia's elopement, he says that her death would have been preferable to eloping / bringing shame upon the family. The phrase was something like "her death would have been a blessing". He also says who will want to align themselves with such a family.

His views are odious even if they weren't so strange for that time. I think he gets a bad rap because he has no social graces and is such a suck up. I think Lizzy is way too hard on Charlotte though, because the man was the only plan available to women who weren't independently wealthy. Charlotte was getting close to being past the age when women typically married.

My daughter's favorite line is "are the shades of pemberley to be thus polluted," uttered by Lady Catherine from the A&E version. I loved that Lady Catherine - she was so dramatic and bitchy.

Anonymous wrote:Remember the letter he writes Mr Bennet about Lydia after she runs away with Wickham? Part of the point of his character is showing that the clergy aren't necessarily that great. Just like Lady Catherine is terrible, showing that the aristocracy is not that great. English society then was very stratified-Austen is pointing out that it's BS since it gives respect to people because of their class when as individuals, some of them are idiots or jerks.

His views on Lydia were consistent for the time. Remember what happens to Maria Bertram in the end of Mansfield Park? Lydia was in many ways lucky to have avoided the same fate.

I would have this conversation with you if you had said "upon re-reading," instead of "upon re-watching."

Anonymous wrote:Remember the letter he writes Mr Bennet about Lydia after she runs away with Wickham? Part of the point of his character is showing that the clergy aren't necessarily that great. Just like Lady Catherine is terrible, showing that the aristocracy is not that great. English society then was very stratified-Austen is pointing out that it's BS since it gives respect to people because of their class when as individuals, some of them are idiots or jerks.

Er, sort of. Its actually criticism of the church and the aristocracy. Both are in a sense mocked and shown to be shallow. Its not saying they are "not that great" its a little more sophisticated than that.

Remember the letter he writes Mr Bennet about Lydia after she runs away with Wickham? Part of the point of his character is showing that the clergy aren't necessarily that great. Just like Lady Catherine is terrible, showing that the aristocracy is not that great. English society then was very stratified-Austen is pointing out that it's BS since it gives respect to people because of their class when as individuals, some of them are idiots or jerks.

Op read the book. He is a self important, loquacious bore and a prig with no intellect. He is the antithesis of who would be suitable for Lizzie.

This is a great thread, OP. I too have strange thoughts about really random characters and DCUM as a whole amoebic blob is certainly smart enough and widely read enough to provide a lively discussion. If they can stop with the insults first.

Anonymous wrote:You should write a fanfic about him, OP.

I'm serious.

+1 I need more fanfic to read at work.

I think he's a metaphor for settling.

You should write a fanfic about him, OP.

I'm serious.

He talks too much and is a kiss ass, no one can stand that for any amount of time.