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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how people would feel if MTV provided New Years resolutions for black people? or Hispanic people? or Jewish people? or Muslim people?

If that happened you'd have protestors in the streets demanding that everyone involved with the video be fired. It's a total racist double standard. The people that made the MTV video are racists, pure and simple. But white folks don't get worked up about this kind of thing.

Uh, I think the video is stupid, but you're wrong about white people not getting worked up over this. Hordes of young white men have mobilized online to get the video taken down and to punish those involved.

That's because whites are finally adopting the tactics of the left. That's the PRIMARY reason trump won.

so what are white leftists? black? you mean "white racists are adopting the tactics of the left."

I believe "bleeding heart liberals" is the term for them.

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jsteele wrote:Which one of those resolutions do you find offensive? They sound like common sense to me.

The premise itself is offensive and hypocritical. The underlying assumption here that it's accurate and acceptable to attribute behavior/ideology to a group based on race/gender.

It seems to me that you either (a) believe in judging people as individuals, based on their words/actions, or (b) you believe in judging people based on their group "identity".

As a matter of principle, most don't tolerate judging people based on identity--it's anathema to our ideals.

So why then is it acceptable when it comes to white men?

Sincere question--I've never understood how people could justify this apparent inconsistency as a matter of principle.

Serious question -- are you as resolutely anti-stereotyping when it comes to all minority groups? Or just white men? The problem is that most white americans do indulge in some kind of sterotyping; it becomes extremely painful when applied to them for the first time. I have very mixed feelings about this as a tactic, so I'm not making any judgments, just observations.

10:59 here. A fair question/point.

The answer is "yes"--I resolutely oppose stereotyping based on identity across the board. I deeply believe in the principle of judging people as individuals, both as a matter of morality and of practicality. Judging based on group identity has led to many of history's grimmest moments and is damaging to the fabric of our society and country.

That said, you're certainly right that we *all* engage in some stereotyping conscious or otherwise, so I certainly am not claiming perfection. (I irrationally but firmly believe that all MVA employees are devil-worshipers, for example).

Lastly, for me, the "pain" here is not about being stereotyped as a white man. It's not the specifics here that bother me, rather it's the fact that this sort of thing legitimizes the idea of stereotyping in general.

To me, that's both unprincipled and counterproductive.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how people would feel if MTV provided New Years resolutions for black people? or Hispanic people? or Jewish people? or Muslim people?

If that happened you'd have protestors in the streets demanding that everyone involved with the video be fired. It's a total racist double standard. The people that made the MTV video are racists, pure and simple. But white folks don't get worked up about this kind of thing.

Uh, I think the video is stupid, but you're wrong about white people not getting worked up over this. Hordes of young white men have mobilized online to get the video taken down and to punish those involved.

That's because whites are finally adopting the tactics of the left. That's the PRIMARY reason trump won.

so what are white leftists? black? you mean "white racists are adopting the tactics of the left."

Anonymous wrote:The war against white men, it's been the mantra for years now and if you have a white son you personally have seen the affects of this on their self esteem. That is, if your being honest. Black people are not the only oppressed group, but you keep carrying this hate in your minds for white men and the dens will not see high office again. White men are what built this country and died in the thousands to fight for property rights in the civil war to free people of ownership, to name just a few things. We seem to forget just how much white men live this country and their fellow countrymen. God I can't wait for Obama to get his decisive lying ass out.

yikes.

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Anonymous wrote:The comments below the video are uniformly negative. People are declaring that this kind of stuff will GUARANTEE trump a second term. http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/12/21/mtvs-white-guy-resolutions-2017-might-just-earn-trump-second-term

If you think MTV posting something you don't like is a valid reason for voting for Trump then your priorities are seriously messed up.

DP.
It’s not the video - it’s the mindset that will guarantee him a second term.

Fear of losing privelege and power will guarantee him a second term but after that they will need to come out from under their beds and face the music. If you are worried now, just wait. The world will be even scarier for you after two Trump terms. You are foolish.

Anonymous wrote:https://mobile.twitter.com/MTVNews/status/810960588973035520/video/1

This shows that they haven't learned anything from the election. Not sure when they will be a bit introspective.

I don't want to reward stupidity and racism with a click. If they have an article with that title...yup, it shows that liberals are having trouble recognizing the country they live in.

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Anonymous wrote:The comments below the video are uniformly negative. People are declaring that this kind of stuff will GUARANTEE trump a second term. http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/12/21/mtvs-white-guy-resolutions-2017-might-just-earn-trump-second-term

If you think MTV posting something you don't like is a valid reason for voting for Trump then your priorities are seriously messed up.

DP.
It’s not the video - it’s the mindset that will guarantee him a second term.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how people would feel if MTV provided New Years resolutions for black people? or Hispanic people? or Jewish people? or Muslim people?

If that happened you'd have protestors in the streets demanding that everyone involved with the video be fired. It's a total racist double standard. The people that made the MTV video are racists, pure and simple. But white folks don't get worked up about this kind of thing.

Uh, I think the video is stupid, but you're wrong about white people not getting worked up over this. Hordes of young white men have mobilized online to get the video taken down and to punish those involved.

That's because whites are finally adopting the tactics of the left. That's the PRIMARY reason trump won.

Anonymous wrote:The comments below the video are uniformly negative. People are declaring that this kind of stuff will GUARANTEE trump a second term. http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/12/21/mtvs-white-guy-resolutions-2017-might-just-earn-trump-second-term

If you think MTV posting something you don't like is a valid reason for voting for Trump then your priorities are seriously messed up.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how people would feel if MTV provided New Years resolutions for black people? or Hispanic people? or Jewish people? or Muslim people?

If that happened you'd have protestors in the streets demanding that everyone involved with the video be fired. It's a total racist double standard. The people that made the MTV video are racists, pure and simple. But white folks don't get worked up about this kind of thing.

Uh, I think the video is stupid, but you're wrong about white people not getting worked up over this. Hordes of young white men have mobilized online to get the video taken down and to punish those involved.

I'm a black woman (and lifelong Dem voter). I'm not a white apologist, but I find stuff like this divisive and stupid.

The "white men suck" narrative coming from white women gives me second-hand embarrassment, like I'm being given access to a fight that should happen behind closed doors. Additionally, it's strange because it acts like racism ONLY comes from white men, and not white women.

I also don't like it because the implicit message is that only white men or sexist, or that mostly white men are sexist. Black men, Asian men, Hispanic men, Native men, whatever-ethnicity men are sexist too.

Further, I think it only serves to radicalize alt-right, MGTOW white men who feel victimized.

Plus, in the video, it says white men can keep Kanye. I haven't liked Kanye West for years, but I think this video is an example of really gross racism against black people too. I think Kanye has dumb and shallow political views, but he's not "not black" because of them. This video showcases the left's extreme intolerance toward those with differing political views and the divisiveness of their dominant ideologies. All white men suck and black men we don't agree with are white, too.

The war against white men, it's been the mantra for years now and if you have a white son you personally have seen the affects of this on their self esteem. That is, if your being honest. Black people are not the only oppressed group, but you keep carrying this hate in your minds for white men and the dens will not see high office again. White men are what built this country and died in the thousands to fight for property rights in the civil war to free people of ownership, to name just a few things. We seem to forget just how much white men live this country and their fellow countrymen. God I can't wait for Obama to get his decisive lying ass out.

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jsteele wrote:Which one of those resolutions do you find offensive? They sound like common sense to me.

The premise itself is offensive and hypocritical. The underlying assumption here that it's accurate and acceptable to attribute behavior/ideology to a group based on race/gender.

It seems to me that you either (a) believe in judging people as individuals, based on their words/actions, or (b) you believe in judging people based on their group "identity".

As a matter of principle, most don't tolerate judging people based on identity--it's anathema to our ideals.

So why then is it acceptable when it comes to white men?

Sincere question--I've never understood how people could justify this apparent inconsistency as a matter of principle.

Well said. I’m glad this is not being well received..... I view it more as a parody on political correctness than a real message. Although, I know this is not how the creators of this video intended it.
On another note, I had no idea MTV was still around. Maybe this is their way to let people know they haven’t gone to that big broadcast studio in the sky. Yet.

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jsteele wrote:Which one of those resolutions do you find offensive? They sound like common sense to me.

The premise itself is offensive and hypocritical. The underlying assumption here that it's accurate and acceptable to attribute behavior/ideology to a group based on race/gender.

It seems to me that you either (a) believe in judging people as individuals, based on their words/actions, or (b) you believe in judging people based on their group "identity".

As a matter of principle, most don't tolerate judging people based on identity--it's anathema to our ideals.

So why then is it acceptable when it comes to white men?

Sincere question--I've never understood how people could justify this apparent inconsistency as a matter of principle.

Serious question -- are you as resolutely anti-stereotyping when it comes to all minority groups? Or just white men? The problem is that most white americans do indulge in some kind of sterotyping; it becomes extremely painful when applied to them for the first time. I have very mixed feelings about this as a tactic, so I'm not making any judgments, just observations.

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jsteele wrote:Which one of those resolutions do you find offensive? They sound like common sense to me.

Race baiting is offensive regardless of who is being targeted. Or is race baiting just common sense now?

I actually agree that this is a sort of race baiting, and ineffective. But that's because white people just find it SO SHOCKING!!! to be judged on the basis of their race (ie for whiteness to actually have substance), that they over-react. So yeah, bad tactic. But not because it's not warranted.