Anonymous
12/13/2016 23:30
Subject: Re:UVA vs Cornell, Georgetown, etc. for in-state
Anonymous wrote:I think OP that there are people all over this country scratching their heads and running the numbers and asking themselves the same question about their own state school. California, Texas, Michigan, Wisconsin, Washington, Minnesota, North Carolina, Maryland, etc all have fine state schools. Do parents want to pay $30,000-$40,000 more a year for a private? Only you can crunch your own numbers. It is a stressful decision.
+1 Very well said.
Anonymous
12/13/2016 11:17
Subject: Re:UVA vs Cornell, Georgetown, etc. for in-state
OP. I know I can afford UVA for three kids. Private will be a stretch. Thinking UVA undergrad and than whatever help I can give for grad. But a top 15 school may give them a edge. Honestly, I think the way brand names work in NYC and DC, any ivy name gives an edge over a higher ranked school. So I would say Cornell over Duke.
I don't know, I think you're splitting hairs. UVA is a good school and well respected. It's not like you're comparing to a nondescript Univ of Toledo.
I also think this is important -- "I know I can afford UVA for three kids. Private will be a stretch." Do you have all three tuitions already saved? One of our best friends had circumstances unfortunately change, and kid #3 had far fewer choices than kid #1.
Anonymous
12/13/2016 09:58
Subject: UVA vs Cornell, Georgetown, etc. for in-state
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don't top tier law schools take the best students? I don't think they are beholden to the undergraduate divisions.Anonymous wrote:Sorry OP here. Additional factor is they want to go to grad school so UVA Law also a good option and I hear they take UVA grads. Do you save the money for grad school in case they get into a top grad school out of state?
So I am OP and a lawyer. Generally, they (like private schools in high schools and colleges) want the best academic students. The difference is that extracurricular activities compensate much less for law school. I believe UVA Law likes UVA undergrads meaning that they consider it a strong academic school and respect grades out of there. I went to GW but did not apply to GW Law because I didn't want to be in the same place for 7 years. That being said, the rumor was it was "harder" to get into the law school there from its own Undergrad because they wanted ivy kids or they wanted diverse undergrads. Trying to figure out how other law schools would view their own undergrad.
I went to Chicago undergrad but was waitlisted for law school. Word was that Chicago preferred diverse law students over homegrown ones. I don't know whether I would have gotten off the wait list or not - I declined the spot and went to another top 10 school where I was very happy.
I went to big state U and got into every top 10 law school except HLS and YLS. WL at HLS and rejected at Yale. I wasn't an extracurricular all star either. I just had good grades and LSAT. My parents gave me the money they didn't spend on undergrad for Law School.
Anonymous
12/13/2016 00:43
Subject: UVA vs Cornell, Georgetown, etc. for in-state
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Virginia resident here. My daughter applied ED to Duke. If she gets in, she goes. Full pay. Worth it over UVA (I'm an alum) but only because we can afford it...Duke would not be worth significant debt over UVA.
OP. I know I can afford UVA for three kids. Private will be a stretch. Thinking UVA undergrad and than whatever help I can give for grad. But a top 15 school may give them a edge. Honestly, I think the way brand names work in NYC and DC, any ivy name gives an edge over a higher ranked school. So I would say Cornell over Duke.
You ED one school these days, right?
What is early action? Is that different?
My daughter applied ED to Duke. That is binding. You can only apply to one ED.
She also applied EA to UVA. That is non binding. You can apply EA to multiple schools that offer it.
Anonymous
12/12/2016 23:33
Subject: UVA vs Cornell, Georgetown, etc. for in-state
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:But UVa vs Georgetown / Northwestern / UPenn / Cornell? No.
lmao. only people whose kids can't get into or afford these colleges ever say crap like this.
Um, no. At some point the marginal benefit isn't worth the additional cost. If price were no object, the calculation might be different, but for most people cost is a significant factor.
And I must say I am impressed that such a sophisticated educational consumer would use "ass" and "crap" in the same post.
Anonymous
12/12/2016 23:06
Subject: UVA vs Cornell, Georgetown, etc. for in-state
Op, and another option: significant merit aid at a school lower ranked than UVA but one the student and parent likes MUCH better.
Anonymous
12/12/2016 23:01
Subject: UVA vs Cornell, Georgetown, etc. for in-state
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don't top tier law schools take the best students? I don't think they are beholden to the undergraduate divisions.Anonymous wrote:Sorry OP here. Additional factor is they want to go to grad school so UVA Law also a good option and I hear they take UVA grads. Do you save the money for grad school in case they get into a top grad school out of state?
So I am OP and a lawyer. Generally, they (like private schools in high schools and colleges) want the best academic students. The difference is that extracurricular activities compensate much less for law school. I believe UVA Law likes UVA undergrads meaning that they consider it a strong academic school and respect grades out of there. I went to GW but did not apply to GW Law because I didn't want to be in the same place for 7 years. That being said, the rumor was it was "harder" to get into the law school there from its own Undergrad because they wanted ivy kids or they wanted diverse undergrads. Trying to figure out how other law schools would view their own undergrad.
I went to Chicago undergrad but was waitlisted for law school. Word was that Chicago preferred diverse law students over homegrown ones. I don't know whether I would have gotten off the wait list or not - I declined the spot and went to another top 10 school where I was very happy.
Anonymous
12/12/2016 22:47
Subject: Re:UVA vs Cornell, Georgetown, etc. for in-state
I think OP that there are people all over this country scratching their heads and running the numbers and asking themselves the same question about their own state school. California, Texas, Michigan, Wisconsin, Washington, Minnesota, North Carolina, Maryland, etc all have fine state schools. Do parents want to pay $30,000-$40,000 more a year for a private? Only you can crunch your own numbers. It is a stressful decision.
Anonymous
12/12/2016 16:18
Subject: UVA vs Cornell, Georgetown, etc. for in-state
Anonymous wrote:Virginia resident here. My daughter applied ED to Duke. If she gets in, she goes. Full pay. Worth it over UVA (I'm an alum) but only because we can afford it...Duke would not be worth significant debt over UVA.
OP. I know I can afford UVA for three kids. Private will be a stretch. Thinking UVA undergrad and than whatever help I can give for grad. But a top 15 school may give them a edge. Honestly, I think the way brand names work in NYC and DC, any ivy name gives an edge over a higher ranked school. So I would say Cornell over Duke.
You ED one school these days, right?
What is early action? Is that different?
Anonymous
12/12/2016 14:26
Subject: UVA vs Cornell, Georgetown, etc. for in-state
Virginia resident here. My daughter applied ED to Duke. If she gets in, she goes. Full pay. Worth it over UVA (I'm an alum) but only because we can afford it...Duke would not be worth significant debt over UVA.
Anonymous
12/12/2016 13:10
Subject: Re:UVA vs Cornell, Georgetown, etc. for in-state
PP @12:58 these are graduate schools.
Anonymous
12/12/2016 13:06
Subject: UVA vs Cornell, Georgetown, etc. for in-state
I would not pick a school solely on the basis of an undergraduate major. Most people graduate with a different major than they thought they would pick as a freshman.
Anonymous
12/12/2016 13:02
Subject: Re:UVA vs Cornell, Georgetown, etc. for in-state
Shout out to UMD, coming in right behind Columbia, Yale and Michigan!
Anonymous
12/12/2016 13:00
Subject: UVA vs Cornell, Georgetown, etc. for in-state
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Absent special factors (athletics, scholarships, location, etc.) there are very few schools I would choose over UVa in-state, such as HPYS and MIT/CalTech. But UVa vs Georgetown / Northwestern / UPenn / Cornell? No.
Unless the kid want to major physics. No in state school in Virginia is great.
What are the best schools for undergrad physics (outside of MIT or Stanford)?
I don't know but I gotta imagine Cal Tech, Harvard, and some big state schools that have research money--probably Berkley, Michigan, etc.
Here is what US News has:
Physics
Ranked in 2014 | Physics Rankings Methodology
Graduate schools for physics typically offer a range of specialty programs, from quantum physics to relativity, as well as plentiful research opportunities to bolster a science education. These are the best physics schools. Each school's score reflects its average rating on a scale from 1 (marginal) to 5 (outstanding), based on a survey of academics at peer institutions.
Specialty
Select specialty
Atomic / Molecular / Optical
Condensed Matter
Cosmology / Relativity / Gravity
Elementary Particles / Field / String Theory
Nuclear
Plasma
Quantum
Rank School name Score
#1
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Cambridge, MA
5.0
#2Tie
California Institute of Technology
Pasadena, CA
4.9
#2Tie
Harvard University
Cambridge, MA
4.9
#2Tie
Princeton University
Princeton, NJ
4.9
#2Tie
Stanford University
Stanford, CA
4.9
#2Tie
University of California—?Berkeley
Berkeley, CA
4.9
#7Tie
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY
4.7
#7Tie
University of Chicago
Chicago, IL
4.7
#9
University of Illinois—?Urbana-?Champaign
Urbana, IL
4.6
#10
University of California—?Santa Barbara
Santa Barbara, CA
4.5
#11Tie
Columbia University
New York, NY
4.3
#11Tie
University of Michigan—?Ann Arbor
Ann Arbor, MI
4.3
#11Tie
Yale University
New Haven, CT
4.3
#14Tie
University of Maryland—?College Park
College Park, MD
4.2
#14Tie
University of Texas—?Austin
Austin, TX
4.2
#16Tie
University of California—?San Diego
La Jolla, CA
4.1
#16Tie
University of Pennsylvania
Philadelphia, PA
4.1
#18Tie
Johns Hopkins University (Rowland)
Baltimore, MD
4.0
#18Tie
University of California—?Los Angeles
Los Angeles, CA
4.0
#18Tie
University of Colorado—?Boulder
Boulder, CO
4.0
#18Tie
University of Wisconsin—?Madison
Madison, WI
4.0
#22
University of Washington
Seattle, WA
3.9
#23Tie
Ohio State University
Columbus, OH
3.8
#23Tie
Pennsylvania State University—?University Park
University Park, PA
3.8
#23Tie
Stony Brook University—?SUNY
Stony Brook, NY
3.8
No Rice anywhere.
Anonymous
12/12/2016 12:58
Subject: UVA vs Cornell, Georgetown, etc. for in-state
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Absent special factors (athletics, scholarships, location, etc.) there are very few schools I would choose over UVa in-state, such as HPYS and MIT/CalTech. But UVa vs Georgetown / Northwestern / UPenn / Cornell? No.
Unless the kid want to major physics. No in state school in Virginia is great.
What are the best schools for undergrad physics (outside of MIT or Stanford)?
I don't know but I gotta imagine Cal Tech, Harvard, and some big state schools that have research money--probably Berkley, Michigan, etc.
Here is what US News has:
Physics
Ranked in 2014 | Physics Rankings Methodology
Graduate schools for physics typically offer a range of specialty programs, from quantum physics to relativity, as well as plentiful research opportunities to bolster a science education. These are the best physics schools. Each school's score reflects its average rating on a scale from 1 (marginal) to 5 (outstanding), based on a survey of academics at peer institutions.
Specialty
Select specialty
Atomic / Molecular / Optical
Condensed Matter
Cosmology / Relativity / Gravity
Elementary Particles / Field / String Theory
Nuclear
Plasma
Quantum
Rank School name Score
#1
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Cambridge, MA
5.0
#2Tie
California Institute of Technology
Pasadena, CA
4.9
#2Tie
Harvard University
Cambridge, MA
4.9
#2Tie
Princeton University
Princeton, NJ
4.9
#2Tie
Stanford University
Stanford, CA
4.9
#2Tie
University of California—?Berkeley
Berkeley, CA
4.9
#7Tie
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY
4.7
#7Tie
University of Chicago
Chicago, IL
4.7
#9
University of Illinois—?Urbana-?Champaign
Urbana, IL
4.6
#10
University of California—?Santa Barbara
Santa Barbara, CA
4.5
#11Tie
Columbia University
New York, NY
4.3
#11Tie
University of Michigan—?Ann Arbor
Ann Arbor, MI
4.3
#11Tie
Yale University
New Haven, CT
4.3
#14Tie
University of Maryland—?College Park
College Park, MD
4.2
#14Tie
University of Texas—?Austin
Austin, TX
4.2
#16Tie
University of California—?San Diego
La Jolla, CA
4.1
#16Tie
University of Pennsylvania
Philadelphia, PA
4.1
#18Tie
Johns Hopkins University (Rowland)
Baltimore, MD
4.0
#18Tie
University of California—?Los Angeles
Los Angeles, CA
4.0
#18Tie
University of Colorado—?Boulder
Boulder, CO
4.0
#18Tie
University of Wisconsin—?Madison
Madison, WI
4.0
#22
University of Washington
Seattle, WA
3.9
#23Tie
Ohio State University
Columbus, OH
3.8
#23Tie
Pennsylvania State University—?University Park
University Park, PA
3.8
#23Tie
Stony Brook University—?SUNY
Stony Brook, NY
3.8