Anonymous
11/26/2016 20:09
Subject: In pool?
A class full of happy, healthy kids who work hard? LOL! My kids' AAP classes have had their share of bright goof-around s, kids with severe attention problems, super smart ASD kids with no social skills or no filter, kids with mental health issues...
Anonymous
11/26/2016 18:05
Subject: Re:In pool?
Anonymous wrote:Why so many negative comments about a child with a high ability test score? Is this because most AAP hopefuls on this board have scores in a lower range? They want a child with a high score denied?
I have a child for whom I think AAP would be the best placement. In my mind, she exhibits behaviors chracteristic of a gifted child. And she also happens to have earned a high NNAT score. Her greatest strengths are in art and mathematics, so it makes sense to me.
If I read these board, the other parents say it may not happen. Then what happens to her? She will be the smartest child in her class. Always our performing her peers and requiring differentiation that maybe one else in the class needs. It's easier for the teacher if she's placed in AAP.
What are the negative comments that you've read? An (accurate) statement that if a child has a high NNAT but not another documented piece confirming admittance, the child goes from being likely admitted, to being unlikely admitted. You have a SINGLE piece of the puzzle (her NNAT.) We are saying that yes, her admittance "may not happen" if there isn't something else to back up her need for AAP. (Your belief that in your mind she exhibits the behavior of a gifted kid won't really mean much to an objective committee.) If her greatest strengths are in math and art, she very well may be a Level III kid. (She could also very well be a Level IV kid, but none of us know that. I'm only mentioning the level III because her art talent won't help in the AAP application process and the advanced math skills may put her in need of Level III only.) I will add that you should really come down off your high horse. I don't mean that to sound harsh but what I bolded above is really a little much. How do you know she is the smartest kid in the class? How do you know she'll always out perform her peers?
Anonymous
11/26/2016 15:19
Subject: Re:In pool?
Anonymous wrote:Why so many negative comments about a child with a high ability test score? Is this because most AAP hopefuls on this board have scores in a lower range? They want a child with a high score denied?
I have a child for whom I think AAP would be the best placement. In my mind, she exhibits behaviors chracteristic of a gifted child. And she also happens to have earned a high NNAT score. Her greatest strengths are in art and mathematics, so it makes sense to me.
If I read these board, the other parents say it may not happen. Then what happens to her? She will be the smartest child in her class. Always our performing her peers and requiring differentiation that maybe one else in the class needs. It's easier for the teacher if she's placed in AAP.
Nobody is saying that a kid with 145 NNAT will not get in. They're just saying that it's not the only score that matters. I don't know why you think that's giving negative information. Yes, your kid does have a very good chance of getting in with a high NNAT score. You'll have a better picture once Cogat scores come in January. If you choose to find out the GBRS is March, then please come back and post all 3 scores, which I gather will most likely be all high from your post (I am not being sarcastic) - until then there's insufficient information, that's all.
Anonymous
11/26/2016 12:55
Subject: Re:In pool?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why so many negative comments about a child with a high ability test score? Is this because most AAP hopefuls on this board have scores in a lower range? They want a child with a high score denied?
I have a child for whom I think AAP would be the best placement. In my mind, she exhibits behaviors chracteristic of a gifted child. And she also happens to have earned a high NNAT score. Her greatest strengths are in art and mathematics, so it makes sense to me.
If I read these board, the other parents say it may not happen. Then what happens to her? She will be the smartest child in her class. Always our performing her peers and requiring differentiation that maybe one else in the class needs. It's easier for the teacher if she's placed in AAP.
What they are saying is NNAT alone will not do it. The only test that will get the kid in alone is a true IQ test like the WISC.
CogAT+NNAT, sure. NNAT+GBRS, probably; CogAT + GBRS, sure.
GBRS alone? Possibly.
NNAT alone. No.
I search of old admittance threads on here or a conversation with a few parents would confirm this for you. I recall both years my older kids were up people were confused how a 140+ NNAT kid did not make it in but a 133 CogAT kid did. It probably has to do with other evidence. High NNAT alone will not do it. My second AAP child has mediocre non-pool NNAT and CogAT scores and a low GBRS (9). She had a 143 WISC IV (it's now V) and got in. Had she had a 143 NNAT with the same CogAT and GBRS, she probably would have been a much harder sell.
Anonymous
11/26/2016 12:52
Subject: Re:In pool?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why so many negative comments about a child with a high ability test score? Is this because most AAP hopefuls on this board have scores in a lower range? They want a child with a high score denied?
I have a child for whom I think AAP would be the best placement. In my mind, she exhibits behaviors chracteristic of a gifted child. And she also happens to have earned a high NNAT score. Her greatest strengths are in art and mathematics, so it makes sense to me.
If I read these board, the other parents say it may not happen. Then what happens to her? She will be the smartest child in her class. Always our performing her peers and requiring differentiation that maybe one else in the class needs. It's easier for the teacher if she's placed in AAP.
What they are saying is NNAT alone will not do it. The only test that will get the kid in alone is a true IQ test like the WISC.
CogAT+NNAT, sure. NNAT+GBRS, probably; CogAT + GBRS, sure.
GBRS alone? Possibly.
NNAT alone. No.
+1
Anonymous
11/26/2016 12:52
Subject: Re:In pool?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why so many negative comments about a child with a high ability test score? Is this because most AAP hopefuls on this board have scores in a lower range? They want a child with a high score denied?
I have a child for whom I think AAP would be the best placement. In my mind, she exhibits behaviors chracteristic of a gifted child. And she also happens to have earned a high NNAT score. Her greatest strengths are in art and mathematics, so it makes sense to me.
If I read these board, the other parents say it may not happen. Then what happens to her? She will be the smartest child in her class. Always our performing her peers and requiring differentiation that maybe one else in the class needs. It's easier for the teacher if she's placed in AAP.
What they are saying is NNAT alone will not do it. The only test that will get the kid in alone is a true IQ test like the WISC.
CogAT+NNAT, sure. NNAT+GBRS, probably; CogAT + GBRS, sure.
GBRS alone? Possibly.
+1
NNAT alone. No.
Anonymous
11/26/2016 10:46
Subject: Re:In pool?
Anonymous wrote:Why so many negative comments about a child with a high ability test score? Is this because most AAP hopefuls on this board have scores in a lower range? They want a child with a high score denied?
I have a child for whom I think AAP would be the best placement. In my mind, she exhibits behaviors chracteristic of a gifted child. And she also happens to have earned a high NNAT score. Her greatest strengths are in art and mathematics, so it makes sense to me.
If I read these board, the other parents say it may not happen. Then what happens to her? She will be the smartest child in her class. Always our performing her peers and requiring differentiation that maybe one else in the class needs. It's easier for the teacher if she's placed in AAP.
What they are saying is NNAT alone will not do it. The only test that will get the kid in alone is a true IQ test like the WISC.
CogAT+NNAT, sure. NNAT+GBRS, probably; CogAT + GBRS, sure.
GBRS alone? Possibly.
NNAT alone. No.
Anonymous
11/26/2016 10:45
Subject: In pool?
^^^With a 145 score, the commitee needs to work hard to find a reason NOT to admit the child, vs a lower score (upper 120s-low 130s) where they need to work hard to find a reason TO admit the child.
145 puts the kid in a different league.
145 puts the kid in a different league.
Anonymous
11/26/2016 10:43
Subject: Re:In pool?
Anonymous wrote:Why so many negative comments about a child with a high ability test score? Is this because most AAP hopefuls on this board have scores in a lower range? They want a child with a high score denied?
I have a child for whom I think AAP would be the best placement. In my mind, she exhibits behaviors chracteristic of a gifted child. And she also happens to have earned a high NNAT score. Her greatest strengths are in art and mathematics, so it makes sense to me.
If I read these board, the other parents say it may not happen. Then what happens to her? She will be the smartest child in her class. Always our performing her peers and requiring differentiation that maybe one else in the class needs. It's easier for the teacher if she's placed in AAP.
Yes.
That is exactly why.
Quite frankly, most of the comments here are speculation and nonsense.
145 is a very high, very uncommon score.
Anonymous
11/26/2016 10:40
Subject: Re:In pool?
Anonymous wrote:Why so many negative comments about a child with a high ability test score? Is this because most AAP hopefuls on this board have scores in a lower range? They want a child with a high score denied?
I have a child for whom I think AAP would be the best placement. In my mind, she exhibits behaviors chracteristic of a gifted child. And she also happens to have earned a high NNAT score. Her greatest strengths are in art and mathematics, so it makes sense to me.
If I read these board, the other parents say it may not happen. Then what happens to her? She will be the smartest child in her class. Always our performing her peers and requiring differentiation that maybe one else in the class needs. It's easier for the teacher if she's placed in AAP.
What thread are you reading? I didn't see negative comments about a child with a high ability test score. Plenty of in pool kids do not make AAP. Many get level III services and some do end up being "the smartest child in her class. Always our performing her peers and requiring differentiation that maybe one else in the class needs." so yeah. A high score on NNAT or CogAT are not guarantees into AAP. Just look at old threads or talk to people.
Anonymous
11/26/2016 09:14
Subject: Re:In pool?
Why so many negative comments about a child with a high ability test score? Is this because most AAP hopefuls on this board have scores in a lower range? They want a child with a high score denied?
I have a child for whom I think AAP would be the best placement. In my mind, she exhibits behaviors chracteristic of a gifted child. And she also happens to have earned a high NNAT score. Her greatest strengths are in art and mathematics, so it makes sense to me.
If I read these board, the other parents say it may not happen. Then what happens to her? She will be the smartest child in her class. Always our performing her peers and requiring differentiation that maybe one else in the class needs. It's easier for the teacher if she's placed in AAP.
I have a child for whom I think AAP would be the best placement. In my mind, she exhibits behaviors chracteristic of a gifted child. And she also happens to have earned a high NNAT score. Her greatest strengths are in art and mathematics, so it makes sense to me.
If I read these board, the other parents say it may not happen. Then what happens to her? She will be the smartest child in her class. Always our performing her peers and requiring differentiation that maybe one else in the class needs. It's easier for the teacher if she's placed in AAP.
Anonymous
11/26/2016 09:02
Subject: Re:In pool?
Anonymous wrote:How many students who are referred get accepted/ Is it assumed that parent referred kids are already "in pool" (they come to know it after the fact) as AART is asking parents to refer and not wait for scores?
Historically, 2/3 of the students that have screening files submitted to the Central Selection Committee are found Center-eligible, and 1/2 of the students who appeal a not-eligible decision of the Central Selection Committee are found Center-eligible.
(These rough numbers were presented by Carol Horn at the AAP Summit held several years ago.)
Anonymous
11/25/2016 22:23
Subject: Re:In pool?
Anonymous wrote:Well, if the teacher recommended referral at the conference, I think we can assume that the GBRS will be high.
You know what they say about assumptions...
Anonymous
11/25/2016 17:24
Subject: Re:In pool?
Well, if the teacher recommended referral at the conference, I think we can assume that the GBRS will be high.
Anonymous
11/25/2016 14:52
Subject: Re:In pool?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NNAT 145 is definitely in pool, but can't say it's a shoe-in for AAP. CogAT and GBRS are weighed more. My personal opinion is that the parent forms/work samples/awards/recommendation letters really don't matter as much if the scores are high. They matter more for borderline cases.
Completely untrue.
Witu a 145 score just fill out the parent form and don't bother with work samples.
People on dcum like to tell themselves that the upper scores are no different than the kid whonscores 127. That is simply untrue.
Go enjoy your holiday weekend. AAP acceptance is something you do not need to worry about for your kid.
Yes, you don't "need" work samples because your child will be in the pool but the above poster who said if your child has a mediocre GBRS and cogat, your child will likely not get in.