Anonymous wrote:All men should be equal in the eyes of the law, but we are not all equal.

The 65 iq simpleton will never graduate medical school. The child suffering from cerebal palsy will never win 100 meter gold.

Ask all the liberal elites if it's ok for your 'equla' children to crowd into Sidwell or Harvard with them. Not happening.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really struggling with this. The concept that all men are created equal is one of the cornerstones of our country yet so many voted against it. You didn't vote for economic or foreign policy, you didn't vote for deficit reduction or spending - you voted down racial and gender lines. You voted to either embrace or reject the most racist, hate filled, white nationalist platform seen in modern political times. In the end the majority of the electoral college voted against everything you were taught the country stood for and embraced the conflicting cultural biasses you were raised in.

OP, truly I don't get this. I am a Trump supporter who, first of all, did vote for him on economics (taxes) and because he represents an end to current corruption but why do you think I was voting against the concept of "all men (people) being created equal." What am I missing?

He grabs women by the vaginas without their consent and thinks that Muslims don't deserve to be Americans.

No. He thinks that people coming from Muslim countries need to be vetted thoroughly before coming here. What problem do you have with that?

Because that is racism by definition. Do you think all black men in the United States should be stopped and frisked whenever police want because a disproportionate amount of crime happens to be committed by black men?

No it isn't. One is unconstitutionally discriminatory on the basis of impermissible criteria. The other is a fully constitutional exercise of immigration policy. And note the proposal was amended so that it was vetting of certain nationalities. That is, people coming from certain countries. Every country does this. All of them.

Untwist your liberal knickers and educate yourself.

OP I think what Trump voters want is to have the same freedoms they feel they had when America was "great". They don't care if you want to celebrate say, Ramadan. They just don't think they should have to say "Happy holidays" instead of Merry Christmas. They don't want to hear about public schools changing the holiday calendar to accommodate other religions. They want Halloween parties back in school. They want to be able to wave the confederate flag if they want. They don't want to be told what they can say. I think they don't particularly like gay people but they don't really care as long as it's not in straight, white America's face. They don't want to see hijabs on women.

I think what they are feeling is, "when in Rome". They want their old culture back and don't try to change it.

Anonymous wrote:When you're used to privilege equality looks like oppression.

(Not my original line, but I don't remember where I heard it.)

Who does that apply to? Elites in both parties, it would seem.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really struggling with this. The concept that all men are created equal is one of the cornerstones of our country yet so many voted against it. You didn't vote for economic or foreign policy, you didn't vote for deficit reduction or spending - you voted down racial and gender lines. You voted to either embrace or reject the most racist, hate filled, white nationalist platform seen in modern political times. In the end the majority of the electoral college voted against everything you were taught the country stood for and embraced the conflicting cultural biasses you were raised in.

OP, truly I don't get this. I am a Trump supporter who, first of all, did vote for him on economics (taxes) and because he represents an end to current corruption but why do you think I was voting against the concept of "all men (people) being created equal." What am I missing?

He grabs women by the vaginas without their consent and thinks that Muslims don't deserve to be Americans.

No. He thinks that people coming from Muslim countries need to be vetted thoroughly before coming here. What problem do you have with that?

Because that is racism by definition. Do you think all black men in the United States should be stopped and frisked whenever police want because a disproportionate amount of crime happens to be committed by black men?

It sure worked in NYC when Giuliani used it to lower crime. That's where most the crime is. Many of us whites are PC, but that doesn't mean we're ignorant

Giuliani for AG

+1.

So awesome.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really struggling with this. The concept that all men are created equal is one of the cornerstones of our country yet so many voted against it. You didn't vote for economic or foreign policy, you didn't vote for deficit reduction or spending - you voted down racial and gender lines. You voted to either embrace or reject the most racist, hate filled, white nationalist platform seen in modern political times. In the end the majority of the electoral college voted against everything you were taught the country stood for and embraced the conflicting cultural biasses you were raised in.

OP, truly I don't get this. I am a Trump supporter who, first of all, did vote for him on economics (taxes) and because he represents an end to current corruption but why do you think I was voting against the concept of "all men (people) being created equal." What am I missing?

OP is having a rough day. Allow him to utter some therapeutic nonsense, and offer some sympathy.

Yes, OP, what you say is sooooooo right. I can't fathom what happened.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really struggling with this. The concept that all men are created equal is one of the cornerstones of our country yet so many voted against it. You didn't vote for economic or foreign policy, you didn't vote for deficit reduction or spending - you voted down racial and gender lines. You voted to either embrace or reject the most racist, hate filled, white nationalist platform seen in modern political times. In the end the majority of the electoral college voted against everything you were taught the country stood for and embraced the conflicting cultural biasses you were raised in.

OP, truly I don't get this. I am a Trump supporter who, first of all, did vote for him on economics (taxes) and because he represents an end to current corruption but why do you think I was voting against the concept of "all men (people) being created equal." What am I missing?

He grabs women by the vaginas without their consent and thinks that Muslims don't deserve to be Americans.

No. He thinks that people coming from Muslim countries need to be vetted thoroughly before coming here. What problem do you have with that?

Because that is racism by definition. Do you think all black men in the United States should be stopped and frisked whenever police want because a disproportionate amount of crime happens to be committed by black men?

It sure worked in NYC when Giuliani used it to lower crime. That's where most the crime is. Many of us whites are PC, but that doesn't mean we're ignorant

Giuliani for AG

Apparently it does. Read more. Learn about NYC, crime, and stop and frisk.

Here is a report from the NYS's AG which notes Giulini's policies disproportionately impacted POC, with little to show for it.

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/sites/default/files/pdfs/bureaus/civil_rights/stp_frsk.pdf

Also, while no one wants to talk about it, crime in NY was on the decline 3 years before Giuliani even stepped foot into office. Lastly, the drop in crime in NY coincided with a drop in crime nationally, SF actually winning the prize for the lower crime. Lets not even get into Giuliani's crown achievement: Compstat. One the primary drivers of over policing. The NYPD released a report effectively noting that the data tool they use that influencing policing decisions had significant data error/flaws in reporting.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/public_information/crime_reporting_review_committee_final_report_2013.pdf

This isn't to say more police or innovative LE strategies are a bad thing. But we need to be careful on HOW we apply policing strategies. If you believe "any means necessary" safety at the expense of negatively impacting historically marginalized groups is a good thing, then YOU are the problem with this country.

All men should be equal in the eyes of the law, but we are not all equal.

The 65 iq simpleton will never graduate medical school. The child suffering from cerebal palsy will never win 100 meter gold.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really struggling with this. The concept that all men are created equal is one of the cornerstones of our country yet so many voted against it. You didn't vote for economic or foreign policy, you didn't vote for deficit reduction or spending - you voted down racial and gender lines. You voted to either embrace or reject the most racist, hate filled, white nationalist platform seen in modern political times. In the end the majority of the electoral college voted against everything you were taught the country stood for and embraced the conflicting cultural biasses you were raised in.

OP, truly I don't get this. I am a Trump supporter who, first of all, did vote for him on economics (taxes) and because he represents an end to current corruption but why do you think I was voting against the concept of "all men (people) being created equal." What am I missing?

He grabs women by the vaginas without their consent and thinks that Muslims don't deserve to be Americans.

I guess all rockstars are rapists then.

People who can't accept our values don't deserve to be americans. All around the world, Muslims are oppressing women, murdering gays, and exterminating non-Muslims. Progressives claim to want to protect the rights of gays, women and minorities, yet are silent on the greatest threat to them in the world today.

Somehow, I doubt they would be outraged if Trump threatened to deport the Westboro Baptist Church. This, despite the fact that the Westboro Baptists haven’t killed anyone, whereas a Muslim, Omar Mateen, carried out the greatest act of homophobic violence in U.S. history.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really struggling with this. The concept that all men are created equal is one of the cornerstones of our country yet so many voted against it. You didn't vote for economic or foreign policy, you didn't vote for deficit reduction or spending - you voted down racial and gender lines. You voted to either embrace or reject the most racist, hate filled, white nationalist platform seen in modern political times. In the end the majority of the electoral college voted against everything you were taught the country stood for and embraced the conflicting cultural biasses you were raised in.

OP, truly I don't get this. I am a Trump supporter who, first of all, did vote for him on economics (taxes) and because he represents an end to current corruption but why do you think I was voting against the concept of "all men (people) being created equal." What am I missing?

He grabs women by the vaginas without their consent and thinks that Muslims don't deserve to be Americans.

No. He thinks that people coming from Muslim countries need to be vetted thoroughly before coming here. What problem do you have with that?

Because that is racism by definition. Do you think all black men in the United States should be stopped and frisked whenever police want because a disproportionate amount of crime happens to be committed by black men?

It sure worked in NYC when Giuliani used it to lower crime. That's where most the crime is. Many of us whites are PC, but that doesn't mean we're ignorant

Giuliani for AG

Apparently it does. Read more. Learn about NYC, crime, and stop and frisk.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really struggling with this. The concept that all men are created equal is one of the cornerstones of our country yet so many voted against it. You didn't vote for economic or foreign policy, you didn't vote for deficit reduction or spending - you voted down racial and gender lines. You voted to either embrace or reject the most racist, hate filled, white nationalist platform seen in modern political times. In the end the majority of the electoral college voted against everything you were taught the country stood for and embraced the conflicting cultural biasses you were raised in.

OP, truly I don't get this. I am a Trump supporter who, first of all, did vote for him on economics (taxes) and because he represents an end to current corruption but why do you think I was voting against the concept of "all men (people) being created equal." What am I missing?

He grabs women by the vaginas without their consent and thinks that Muslims don't deserve to be Americans.

No. He thinks that people coming from Muslim countries need to be vetted thoroughly before coming here. What problem do you have with that?

Because that is racism by definition. Do you think all black men in the United States should be stopped and frisked whenever police want because a disproportionate amount of crime happens to be committed by black men?

It sure worked in NYC when Giuliani used it to lower crime. That's where most the crime is. Many of us whites are PC, but that doesn't mean we're ignorant

Giuliani for AG

OP, people are not created equal. By virtue of the random nature of our universe, some humans live long lives, some die before their time. Some are healthier, some are sicker. There are the strong, the week, the smart, the stupid. There are people afflicted by all kinds of genetic mishaps. People are born into incredible wealth and into abject poverty.

None of us are equal. Nowhere. This is an inevitable truth you need to learn to live with. Only then you may be able to comprehend how we can provide all people with equal opportunities to realize their potential.

Anonymous wrote:It's called being pragmatic.

When we look at our European neighbors and see that a rapidly growing Muslim minority has introduced divisive social tensions, clashes between western progressive values and conservative Islamic values, as well as increased terrorism, it's understandable to be concerned about the prospects of something similar emerging in the US if our Muslim population increases.

In general, was not the first generation Muslim immigration that was the problem for Europe, it was the second and now third generations where most of the problems have emerged as the Muslim population grew large enough to allow subsequent immigration to live wholly within cloistered Islamic communities. I don't think many in the US realize the extent of the situation in many European countries.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really struggling with this. The concept that all men are created equal is one of the cornerstones of our country yet so many voted against it. You didn't vote for economicIt or foreign policy, you didn't vote for deficit reduction or spending - you voted down racial and gender lines. You voted to either embrace or reject the most racist, hate filled, white nationalist platform seen in modern political times. In the end the majority of the electoral college voted against everything you were taught the country stood for and embraced the conflicting cultural biasses you were raised in.

OP, truly I don't get this. I am a Trump supporter who, first of all, did vote for him on economics (taxes) and because he represents an end to current corruption but why do you think I was voting against the concept of "all men (people) being created equal." What am I missing?

He grabs women by the vaginas without their consent and thinks that Muslims don't deserve to be Americans.

No. He thinks that people coming from Muslim countries need to be vetted thoroughly before coming here. What problem do you have with that?

Because that is racism by definition. Do you think all black men in the United States should be stopped and frisked whenever police want because a disproportionate amount of crime happens to be committed by black men?

And I don't think people like you have any actual knowledge of the refugee process and the current vetting system, which is actually quite robust and effective. Which is why we haven't had a terrorist attack on us soil committed by a refugee since 9/11.

Anonymous wrote:uhh - this was founded as a slave country. so no, it isn't a 'corner stone' concept.

it's a very new concept in the history of the country (civil rights is relative recent).

The 500,000 people who lost their lives in the Civil War defeating slavery are turning over in their graves at your self-absorbed short-sighted view. Let me guess -- you're a millennial?

It's called being pragmatic.

When we look at our European neighbors and see that a rapidly growing Muslim minority has introduced divisive social tensions, clashes between western progressive values and conservative Islamic values, as well as increased terrorism, it's understandable to be concerned about the prospects of something similar emerging in the US if our Muslim population increases.

In general, was not the first generation Muslim immigration that was the problem for Europe, it was the second and now third generations where most of the problems have emerged as the Muslim population grew large enough to allow subsequent immigration to live wholly within cloistered Islamic communities. I don't think many in the US realize the extent of the situation in many European countries.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really struggling with this. The concept that all men are created equal is one of the cornerstones of our country yet so many voted against it. You didn't vote for economicIt or foreign policy, you didn't vote for deficit reduction or spending - you voted down racial and gender lines. You voted to either embrace or reject the most racist, hate filled, white nationalist platform seen in modern political times. In the end the majority of the electoral college voted against everything you were taught the country stood for and embraced the conflicting cultural biasses you were raised in.

OP, truly I don't get this. I am a Trump supporter who, first of all, did vote for him on economics (taxes) and because he represents an end to current corruption but why do you think I was voting against the concept of "all men (people) being created equal." What am I missing?

He grabs women by the vaginas without their consent and thinks that Muslims don't deserve to be Americans.

No. He thinks that people coming from Muslim countries need to be vetted thoroughly before coming here. What problem do you have with that?

Because that is racism by definition. Do you think all black men in the United States should be stopped and frisked whenever police want because a disproportionate amount of crime happens to be committed by black men?