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Anonymous wrote:College placements at both these schools have been significantly influenced by their top flight lacrosse programs.

Many of the boys that go to Ivies and other top schools gained admission to these schools through the Athletic Department putting its thumb on the Admissions scales.

What a ridiculous statement. You clearly have no child who is an athlete and also a student at an Ivy. We have three. All three had to make their scores and those base scores were clearly defined by the coaches recruiting them. FWIW all three of our scholar athletes had SAT scores of 2100+, and two or more subject tests with 700+ scores. None of the Ivies will admit students who don't meet their score requirements and, if you say otherwise, then prove it.

You are confused. You are confusing admissions under the Ivy Academic Index (AI) provisions with the admissions process for the test of the students.

The existence of the Ivy League Academic Index is the proof. It exists so Ivies can recruit players that would not gain admissions under the regular Admissions program.

Many athletes I have seen go to Ivy League schools were completely average student in high school and ranked barely in the upper 50% of their class.

Coaches, of course, can only gain admission for limited number of athletes in each of the lower AI bands.

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Are these very smart kids who can hack it once they get there -- sure. 2100 is a great SAT score, but average for an Ivy, and the point is that otherwise similar kids with those scores -- and much higher -- are rejected by the thousands. The sports hook is the difference. Different standards for admission.

The combination of the scores and the athletic prowess speak to a multidimensionality that the other students don't have or they would have been accepted. You show your bias and your lack of knowledge about multidimensional scholar athletes when you assume that an athlete with a 2100+ won't be able to 'hack' the same course of studies that a non-athlete with a 2100+ will undertake. In any event, good luck to you and your child. It sounds like you will need it.

You did not read my post carefully -- I said these ARE VERY SMART KIDS who CAN hack it. From personal experience I know many such kids and adults -- multidimensional scholar athletes, as you put it -- who benefitted from these admissions opportunities. All I'm pointing out is that it is very widely understood that there is a different standard for recruited Ivy athletes in terms of test scores & other qualifications. I guess you're too defensive to admit this, or do not truly understand the very long admission odds facing 2200+ or 2300+ SAT kids at Ivies, even those who are very talented and indeed "multidimensional" candidates but not recruited athletes (or otherwise significantly hooked). Getting in is much, much harder than getting by or even thriving.

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Anonymous wrote:Prep was the hardest school I ever attended, including college and law school. It was also a transformational experience for me. My family did not come from money, and I was not an athlete. My relationships forged at Prep have followed me for life—personally and professionally. If you have a son fortunate enough to attend, you should send him there. He will appreciate it for the rest of his life.

Bam! My son is there tonight! Thanks for the words of support. Spoken from the voice of your experience.

Good luck to your son!

Anonymous wrote:Prep was the hardest school I ever attended, including college and law school. It was also a transformational experience for me. My family did not come from money, and I was not an athlete. My relationships forged at Prep have followed me for life—personally and professionally. If you have a son fortunate enough to attend, you should send him there. He will appreciate it for the rest of his life.

Bam! My son is there tonight! Thanks for the words of support. Spoken from the voice of your experience.

Anonymous wrote:People who send their sons to either aren't that concerned about academics.

^living in their box. We promise, you can stay in there.

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Anonymous wrote:PP

are you jealous?

Whether you go to an IVY LEAGUE or NESCAC school based on athletics or due to a legacy connection (STA and Sidwell is known for this) what is the difference?

Hardly jealous and very knowledgeable because our family has been through the process twice.

What you don''t know is that a Princeton University professor studied the career paths of students admitted through these special programs and found that their post-graduation careers were not like their classmates admitted under the regular admissions programs. Not surprising, I guess, because many of them had less distinguished high school academic records and lower test scores.

This is crap. Harvard did a similar study amongst its graduates. They found no correlation between GPA and future economic success. In an already rarefied strata of students, emotional intelligence is a better indicator of future career success than perhaps anything else.

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Anonymous wrote:College placements at both these schools have been significantly influenced by their top flight lacrosse programs.

Many of the boys that go to Ivies and other top schools gained admission to these schools through the Athletic Department putting its thumb on the Admissions scales.

What a ridiculous statement. You clearly have no child who is an athlete and also a student at an Ivy. We have three. All three had to make their scores and those base scores were clearly defined by the coaches recruiting them. FWIW all three of our scholar athletes had SAT scores of 2100+, and two or more subject tests with 700+ scores. None of the Ivies will admit students who don't meet their score requirements and, if you say otherwise, then prove it.

You are confused. You are confusing admissions under the Ivy Academic Index (AI) provisions with the admissions process for the test of the students.

The existence of the Ivy League Academic Index is the proof. It exists so Ivies can recruit players that would not gain admissions under the regular Admissions program.

Many athletes I have seen go to Ivy League schools were completely average student in high school and ranked barely in the upper 50% of their class.

Coaches, of course, can only gain admission for limited number of athletes in each of the lower AI bands.

+!

Are these very smart kids who can hack it once they get there -- sure. 2100 is a great SAT score, but average for an Ivy, and the point is that otherwise similar kids with those scores -- and much higher -- are rejected by the thousands. The sports hook is the difference. Different standards for admission.

The combination of the scores and the athletic prowess speak to a multidimensionality that the other students don't have or they would have been accepted. You show your bias and your lack of knowledge about multidimensional scholar athletes when you assume that an athlete with a 2100+ won't be able to 'hack' the same course of studies that a non-athlete with a 2100+ will undertake. In any event, good luck to you and your child. It sounds like you will need it.

Prep was the hardest school I ever attended, including college and law school. It was also a transformational experience for me. My family did not come from money, and I was not an athlete. My relationships forged at Prep have followed me for life—personally and professionally. If you have a son fortunate enough to attend, you should send him there. He will appreciate it for the rest of his life.

Uninformed not uniformed

PP is really uniformed. Last year Prep had two Presidential scholars. No other private or public in
This area can say this. I am not familiar with Landon but Prep offers a value-based Solid college
Preparatory curriculum.

People who send their sons to either aren't that concerned about academics.

Anonymous wrote:These two are very similar academically, athletically and socially with the exception that one is Catholic and one is non-sectarian.

But the difference you point to, Catholic vs. non-sectarian, makes a huge difference.

We live in a neighborhood that sends many boys to each, but haven't heard of anyone who applied to both.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College placements at both these schools have been significantly influenced by their top flight lacrosse programs.

Many of the boys that go to Ivies and other top schools gained admission to these schools through the Athletic Department putting its thumb on the Admissions scales.

What a ridiculous statement. You clearly have no child who is an athlete and also a student at an Ivy. We have three. All three had to make their scores and those base scores were clearly defined by the coaches recruiting them. FWIW all three of our scholar athletes had SAT scores of 2100+, and two or more subject tests with 700+ scores. None of the Ivies will admit students who don't meet their score requirements and, if you say otherwise, then prove it.

You are confused. You are confusing admissions under the Ivy Academic Index (AI) provisions with the admissions process for the test of the students.

The existence of the Ivy League Academic Index is the proof. It exists so Ivies can recruit players that would not gain admissions under the regular Admissions program.

Many athletes I have seen go to Ivy League schools were completely average student in high school and ranked barely in the upper 50% of their class.

Coaches, of course, can only gain admission for limited number of athletes in each of the lower AI bands.

+!

Are these very smart kids who can hack it once they get there -- sure. 2100 is a great SAT score, but average for an Ivy, and the point is that otherwise similar kids with those scores -- and much higher -- are rejected by the thousands. The sports hook is the difference. Different standards for admission.

Anonymous wrote:PP

are you jealous?

Whether you go to an IVY LEAGUE or NESCAC school based on athletics or due to a legacy connection (STA and Sidwell is known for this) what is the difference?

Hardly jealous and very knowledgeable because our family has been through the process twice.

What you don''t know is that a Princeton University professor studied the career paths of students admitted through these special programs and found that their post-graduation careers were not like their classmates admitted under the regular admissions programs. Not surprising, I guess, because many of them had less distinguished high school academic records and lower test scores.

These two are very similar academically, athletically and socially with the exception that one is Catholic and one is non-sectarian.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College placements at both these schools have been significantly influenced by their top flight lacrosse programs.

Many of the boys that go to Ivies and other top schools gained admission to these schools through the Athletic Department putting its thumb on the Admissions scales.

What a ridiculous statement. You clearly have no child who is an athlete and also a student at an Ivy. We have three. All three had to make their scores and those base scores were clearly defined by the coaches recruiting them. FWIW all three of our scholar athletes had SAT scores of 2100+, and two or more subject tests with 700+ scores. None of the Ivies will admit students who don't meet their score requirements and, if you say otherwise, then prove it.

You are confused. You are confusing admissions under the Ivy Academic Index (AI) provisions with the admissions process for the test of the students.

The existence of the Ivy League Academic Index is the proof. It exists so Ivies can recruit players that would not gain admissions under the regular Admissions program.

Many athletes I have seen go to Ivy League schools were completely average student in high school and ranked barely in the upper 50% of their class.

Coaches, of course, can only gain admission for limited number of athletes in each of the lower AI bands.