Anonymous
10/16/2016 18:53
Subject: Re:High school SAT scores in Northern Virginia (2016)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In real life, no one games admissions this way, not are similar numbers or percentages admitted to schools like U.Va. from each area school. To the extent there are quotas, they are regional rather than school-based.
The last time Arlington Magazine had a story on college admissions, it showed the number getting into top schools from Wakefield was far below the numbers from Yorktown and W-L.
That's because the best students from the Wakefield attendance area have been transferring into IB at W-L or accepting spots at HB, and more rarely TJHS. But now there are way more kids than spots available so I don't expect this to remain an issue.
Why bring this up now? And repeatedly in multiple threads? Is it because you're afraid of the boundary change headed your way? Your kid will be fine at Wakefield. You child will have no less (and probably no greater a chance) of attending a top university whether they go to Yorktown, W-L, or Wakefield.
The evidence I've seen suggests just the opposite. No one sends their kid to a school where they'll be ignored in favor of the FARMS and ESOL kids hoping that, by standing out, their snowflake will have an easier path to a top school. Usually, it's only when the top kids from schools like Wakefield apply to schools, they start to realize that they have credentials that appear very average to admissions officers.
But, in any event, if you have evidence to the contrary, get Arlington Magazine to do an update for the Class of 2016.
Anonymous
10/16/2016 18:51
Subject: Re:High school SAT scores in Northern Virginia (2016)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In real life, no one games admissions this way, not are similar numbers or percentages admitted to schools like U.Va. from each area school. To the extent there are quotas, they are regional rather than school-based.
The last time Arlington Magazine had a story on college admissions, it showed the number getting into top schools from Wakefield was far below the numbers from Yorktown and W-L.
That's because the best students from the Wakefield attendance area have been transferring into IB at W-L or accepting spots at HB, and more rarely TJHS. But now there are way more kids than spots available so I don't expect this to remain an issue.
Why bring this up now? And repeatedly in multiple threads? Is it because you're afraid of the boundary change headed your way? Your kid will be fine at Wakefield. You child will have no less (and probably no greater a chance) of attending a top university whether they go to Yorktown, W-L, or Wakefield.
I disagree. I think the odds are actually better from Wakefield. It's easier to be in the top 2 percent there.
Anonymous
10/16/2016 18:47
Subject: Re:High school SAT scores in Northern Virginia (2016)
Anonymous wrote:Yawn hey guess what if you group the schools by average household income..... you get the exact same list in the exact same order
Our schools are so great..... not
It's not that linear, nor would a correlation detract from the high quality of the best schools.
Anonymous
10/16/2016 18:47
Subject: Re:High school SAT scores in Northern Virginia (2016)
Anonymous wrote:In real life, no one games admissions this way, not are similar numbers or percentages admitted to schools like U.Va. from each area school. To the extent there are quotas, they are regional rather than school-based.
The last time Arlington Magazine had a story on college admissions, it showed the number getting into top schools from Wakefield was far below the numbers from Yorktown and W-L.
That's because the best students from the Wakefield attendance area have been transferring into IB at W-L or accepting spots at HB, and more rarely TJHS. But now there are way more kids than spots available so I don't expect this to remain an issue.
Why bring this up now? And repeatedly in multiple threads? Is it because you're afraid of the boundary change headed your way? Your kid will be fine at Wakefield. You child will have no less (and probably no greater a chance) of attending a top university whether they go to Yorktown, W-L, or Wakefield.
Anonymous
10/16/2016 18:40
Subject: Re:High school SAT scores in Northern Virginia (2016)
Yawn hey guess what if you group the schools by average household income..... you get the exact same list in the exact same order
Our schools are so great..... not
Our schools are so great..... not
Anonymous
10/16/2016 18:32
Subject: Re:High school SAT scores in Northern Virginia (2016)
In real life, no one games admissions this way, not are similar numbers or percentages admitted to schools like U.Va. from each area school. To the extent there are quotas, they are regional rather than school-based.
The last time Arlington Magazine had a story on college admissions, it showed the number getting into top schools from Wakefield was far below the numbers from Yorktown and W-L.
The last time Arlington Magazine had a story on college admissions, it showed the number getting into top schools from Wakefield was far below the numbers from Yorktown and W-L.
Anonymous
10/16/2016 17:53
Subject: High school SAT scores in Northern Virginia (2016)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:H-B Woodlawn beats Langley and McLean?
Yes. That's been the case for years.
It also has about 1/6 of the number of students as Langley or McLean.
I thought they are traditionally in the 4th-6th spot range and the only Arlington school in the top ten most years.
No, H-B usually is behind TJ in NoVa, and Yorktown is also always in the top 10 for NoVa. Yorktown would drop out of the top 10 regionally if you added the top schools from suburban Maryland into the mix.
Or had the diversity of some of the other schools...
#scores don't matter for the individual
#kids worse off applying to VA state universities with a homogenous population and quotas
What "quotas"? Are you saying the same number of kids get into U. Va. from Wakefield as from Yorktown? Prove it.
They are "soft" quotas and not really by HS just by region, but McLean seems to get around 50 admits each year.
Roughly the same PERCENTAGE of kids are accepted from both Yorktown and Wakefield.
Hello in there
'!! Your kid has a greater chance of BEING in that percentage at Wakefield. Less fellow qualified students trying to get a piece of the pie.
That is what people mean by quotas. DUH.
Anonymous
10/16/2016 17:36
Subject: High school SAT scores in Northern Virginia (2016)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:H-B Woodlawn beats Langley and McLean?
Yes. That's been the case for years.
It also has about 1/6 of the number of students as Langley or McLean.
I thought they are traditionally in the 4th-6th spot range and the only Arlington school in the top ten most years.
No, H-B usually is behind TJ in NoVa, and Yorktown is also always in the top 10 for NoVa. Yorktown would drop out of the top 10 regionally if you added the top schools from suburban Maryland into the mix.
Or had the diversity of some of the other schools...
#scores don't matter for the individual
#kids worse off applying to VA state universities with a homogenous population and quotas
What "quotas"? Are you saying the same number of kids get into U. Va. from Wakefield as from Yorktown? Prove it.
They are "soft" quotas and not really by HS just by region, but McLean seems to get around 50 admits each year.
Roughly the same PERCENTAGE of kids are accepted from both Yorktown and Wakefield.
Anonymous
10/16/2016 16:02
Subject: High school SAT scores in Northern Virginia (2016)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:H-B Woodlawn beats Langley and McLean?
Yes. That's been the case for years.
It also has about 1/6 of the number of students as Langley or McLean.
I thought they are traditionally in the 4th-6th spot range and the only Arlington school in the top ten most years.
No, H-B usually is behind TJ in NoVa, and Yorktown is also always in the top 10 for NoVa. Yorktown would drop out of the top 10 regionally if you added the top schools from suburban Maryland into the mix.
Or had the diversity of some of the other schools...
#scores don't matter for the individual
#kids worse off applying to VA state universities with a homogenous population and quotas
What "quotas"? Are you saying the same number of kids get into U. Va. from Wakefield as from Yorktown? Prove it.
They are "soft" quotas and not really by HS just by region, but McLean seems to get around 50 admits each year.
Anonymous
10/16/2016 15:25
Subject: High school SAT scores in Northern Virginia (2016)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:H-B Woodlawn beats Langley and McLean?
Yes. That's been the case for years.
It also has about 1/6 of the number of students as Langley or McLean.
I thought they are traditionally in the 4th-6th spot range and the only Arlington school in the top ten most years.
No, H-B usually is behind TJ in NoVa, and Yorktown is also always in the top 10 for NoVa. Yorktown would drop out of the top 10 regionally if you added the top schools from suburban Maryland into the mix.
Or had the diversity of some of the other schools...
#scores don't matter for the individual
#kids worse off applying to VA state universities with a homogenous population and quotas
What "quotas"? Are you saying the same number of kids get into U. Va. from Wakefield as from Yorktown? Prove it.
It's proven every spring. UVA takes from the top 10 percent of every school and roughly 30 percent of qualified applicants. Much easier to get into that group from a school like Wakefield. Less kids get in, but less apply. Your kids odds are better from mount vernon if they've got great grades, scores and activities.
I don't have a kid in one of those schools, but those types of schools are what we are targeting in our home search. We are talking about good school systems. I would not be so cavalier in DCPS.
Anonymous
10/16/2016 14:15
Subject: Re:High school SAT scores in Northern Virginia (2016)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you want your kid to hold their own among a strong peer group in college, you pick a strong high school, not a Wakefield or Mount Vernon.
A valedictorian is better than a low rank at a big school.
Being a smart kid in a good school system, but not strong individual school means getting more attention and smaller AP groups. Teachers are just as good--hired by APS/Fairfax.
A poor school system is something else entirely.
A weak school in a generally strong system still has to worry about SOL scores and maintaining its accreditation, so the primary focus at those schools is on basic competency and graduation rates. A kid who is brilliant may stand out there, but the average and above average end up under-performing relative to how they'd have done at the schools that don't have to try and get a large number of kids just to show up and pass.
Anonymous
10/16/2016 14:14
Subject: Re:High school SAT scores in Northern Virginia (2016)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you want your kid to hold their own among a strong peer group in college, you pick a strong high school, not a Wakefield or Mount Vernon.
A valedictorian is better than a low rank at a big school.
Being a smart kid in a good school system, but not strong individual school means getting more attention and smaller AP groups. Teachers are just as good--hired by APS/Fairfax.
A poor school system is something else entirely.
A weak school in a generally strong system still has to worry about SOL scores and maintaining its accreditation, so the primary focus at those schools is on basic competency and graduation rates. A kid who is brilliant may stand out there, but the average and above average end up under-performing relative to how they'd have done at the schools that have to try and get a large number of kids just to show up and pass.
Anonymous
10/16/2016 12:39
Subject: High school SAT scores in Northern Virginia (2016)
Anonymous wrote:Another way to view:
Tier One: TJHSST 2198 (highly selective magnet)
Tier Two: H-B Woodlawn 1860; Langley 1851; McLean 1821; Madison 1789; George Mason 1760; Woodson 1755; Yorktown 1752; Oakton 1750 (best of the neighborhood schools)
Tier Three: Washington-Lee 1702; Marshall 1699; Chantilly 1685; Robinson 1685; Lake Braddock 1673; South Lakes 1671; West Springfield 1659; Centreville 1653 (above-average for NoVa)
Tier Four: Herndon 1621; Westfield 1609; Fairfax 1603; South County 1598; West Potomac 1571 (above-average for Virginia state/nation)
Tier Five: Hayfield 1530; Annandale 1520; Falls Church 1510; Edison 1498; Stuart 1489; Lee 1476; TC Williams 1458; Wakefield 1431; Mount Vernon 1387 (below average nationally)
Sounds right.
Anonymous
10/16/2016 10:17
Subject: Re:High school SAT scores in Northern Virginia (2016)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you want your kid to hold their own among a strong peer group in college, you pick a strong high school, not a Wakefield or Mount Vernon.
A valedictorian is better than a low rank at a big school.
Being a smart kid in a good school system, but not strong individual school means getting more attention and smaller AP groups. Teachers are just as good--hired by APS/Fairfax.
A poor school system is something else entirely.
Don't have the Quota issue either...
Anonymous
10/16/2016 10:17
Subject: Re:High school SAT scores in Northern Virginia (2016)
Anonymous wrote:If you want your kid to hold their own among a strong peer group in college, you pick a strong high school, not a Wakefield or Mount Vernon.
A valedictorian is better than a low rank at a big school.
Being a smart kid in a good school system, but not strong individual school means getting more attention and smaller AP groups. Teachers are just as good--hired by APS/Fairfax.
A poor school system is something else entirely.