Anonymous
10/09/2016 18:14
Subject: Difference between Simpsons and capital cotillion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would any parents throw time and money away for this antiquated, useless exercise?
Because the kids love it. Yes, really.
Yep, my kids also really like it. They gather with their friends for pizza for before hand and then have a blast dancing and acting "grown up". I don't force them to participate.
Anonymous
10/09/2016 17:51
Subject: Difference between Simpsons and capital cotillion?
Anonymous wrote:Why would any parents throw time and money away for this antiquated, useless exercise?
Because the kids love it. Yes, really.
Anonymous
10/09/2016 13:10
Subject: Difference between Simpsons and capital cotillion?
i think you just pay to put your name in the soicial register these days.
Anonymous
10/09/2016 11:27
Subject: Re:Difference between Simpsons and capital cotillion?
Anonymous wrote:I was amused that the "application" to attend Simpson's asked when and where mama was presented.
My girls attend and I did not Deb. However, my girls will and we are in the social register and green book.
My daughter's good friend is Jewish and she attend Mrs Simpsons.
Don't be fooled by all these posts. It's a lovely experience.
Anonymous
10/09/2016 10:28
Subject: Difference between Simpsons and capital cotillion?
Why would any parents throw time and money away for this antiquated, useless exercise?
Anonymous
10/09/2016 07:39
Subject: Difference between Simpsons and capital cotillion?
Check out Old Dominion Cotillion. Not just for VA, has had kids from entire metro area and beyond. For grades 7-12 (really extends beyond that though), quite down to earth, mix of public and private kids, year long program teaching great real life skills (such as interview skills...but they still teach "traditional" etiquette as well), many events involve the whole family but some are just for the kids.
Anonymous
10/09/2016 07:30
Subject: Difference between Simpsons and capital cotillion?
Even if you don't believe that Simpson is racist, it's pretty clear that she is rude and ill mannered. Ironic for someone who runs a business about etiquette. She does not exemplify behaviors I want my child to emulate.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most kids do not want their parents to watch like they do at Cap Cotillion. They do not want an audience of other parents gawking at them -- trust me. Mrs Simpsons has a few parents sign up to chaperone every dance and has cocktails with them. I know her well, and she is not a racist. Sorry liberal poster.
If she wasn't racist, would this complaint have been necessary?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1993/12/15/at-mrs-simpsons-a-more-modern-dance/f0df45e5-6d4b-4ee7-a216-4dc8f8312c68/
Being accused of "Racism" doesn't mean one is guilty of that.
Just part of the bullying that goes on when people don't get their way.
If you read the earlier Washington Post article that sparked the legal issues, you would have seen that she is quoted making negative generalizations based on race, which I believe is the textbook definition of racism.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1993/06/21/a-class-unto-itself/c6a97ff1-1c4f-48f3-9ce9-dd9789097d1a/
"I started asking around, and people said, 'Oh, yes, they aren't invited,' " Bernstein said. "But the stories were so amorphous, and there was always an explanation." So the following winter she says she wrote to Mrs. Simpson proposing four children, making clear in her letter that two of them were white and two were black.
The two white children received applications within six weeks, she said, and the two black children heard nothing. She called Mrs. Simpson. "I just said I was so embarrassed, that these children had not heard anything, and that I'd heard she didn't accept black families, but I couldn't believe that could be true." *****Mrs. Simpson said she did invite black families, but that in the past "they haven't even had the courtesy to respond."*** Bernstein closed the conversation with vague pleasantries.
I don't think there is a real textbook definition of racism. It's usually a charge leveled to intimidate people.
Anonymous
10/08/2016 23:42
Subject: Difference between Simpsons and capital cotillion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most kids do not want their parents to watch like they do at Cap Cotillion. They do not want an audience of other parents gawking at them -- trust me. Mrs Simpsons has a few parents sign up to chaperone every dance and has cocktails with them. I know her well, and she is not a racist. Sorry liberal poster.
If she wasn't racist, would this complaint have been necessary?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1993/12/15/at-mrs-simpsons-a-more-modern-dance/f0df45e5-6d4b-4ee7-a216-4dc8f8312c68/
Being accused of "Racism" doesn't mean one is guilty of that.
Just part of the bullying that goes on when people don't get their way.
If you read the earlier Washington Post article that sparked the legal issues, you would have seen that she is quoted making negative generalizations based on race, which I believe is the textbook definition of racism.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1993/06/21/a-class-unto-itself/c6a97ff1-1c4f-48f3-9ce9-dd9789097d1a/
"I started asking around, and people said, 'Oh, yes, they aren't invited,' " Bernstein said. "But the stories were so amorphous, and there was always an explanation." So the following winter she says she wrote to Mrs. Simpson proposing four children, making clear in her letter that two of them were white and two were black.
The two white children received applications within six weeks, she said, and the two black children heard nothing. She called Mrs. Simpson. "I just said I was so embarrassed, that these children had not heard anything, and that I'd heard she didn't accept black families, but I couldn't believe that could be true." *****Mrs. Simpson said she did invite black families, but that in the past "they haven't even had the courtesy to respond."*** Bernstein closed the conversation with vague pleasantries.
I don't think there is a real textbook definition of racism. It's usually a charge leveled to intimidate people.
Anonymous
10/08/2016 21:55
Subject: Re:Difference between Simpsons and capital cotillion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Capital Cotillion is open to all, including - gasp - public school kids, whereas Mrs Simpsons is invitation only (and basically just feeds from Holton/Landon).
Our public sends an equal number of kids to both.
Not sure how you would know this, other than by word of mouth which is self-selecting. If your kids attend Mrs. Simpsons, you would know that almost all of the attendees are private school students, with a dominant group coming from Holton and Landon.
Our JKLM public has about 10 kids at each program (4th grade).
Anonymous
10/08/2016 21:24
Subject: Re:Difference between Simpsons and capital cotillion?
My Jewish public school kid went to Mrs Simpsons. It was fine. We didn't know about capital cotillion, not sure it would have made a difference.
Anonymous
10/08/2016 21:09
Subject: Difference between Simpsons and capital cotillion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most kids do not want their parents to watch like they do at Cap Cotillion. They do not want an audience of other parents gawking at them -- trust me. Mrs Simpsons has a few parents sign up to chaperone every dance and has cocktails with them. I know her well, and she is not a racist. Sorry liberal poster.
If she wasn't racist, would this complaint have been necessary?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1993/12/15/at-mrs-simpsons-a-more-modern-dance/f0df45e5-6d4b-4ee7-a216-4dc8f8312c68/
Being accused of "Racism" doesn't mean one is guilty of that.
Just part of the bullying that goes on when people don't get their way.
If you read the earlier Washington Post article that sparked the legal issues, you would have seen that she is quoted making negative generalizations based on race, which I believe is the textbook definition of racism.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1993/06/21/a-class-unto-itself/c6a97ff1-1c4f-48f3-9ce9-dd9789097d1a/
"I started asking around, and people said, 'Oh, yes, they aren't invited,' " Bernstein said. "But the stories were so amorphous, and there was always an explanation." So the following winter she says she wrote to Mrs. Simpson proposing four children, making clear in her letter that two of them were white and two were black.
The two white children received applications within six weeks, she said, and the two black children heard nothing. She called Mrs. Simpson. "I just said I was so embarrassed, that these children had not heard anything, and that I'd heard she didn't accept black families, but I couldn't believe that could be true." *****Mrs. Simpson said she did invite black families, but that in the past "they haven't even had the courtesy to respond."*** Bernstein closed the conversation with vague pleasantries.
Anonymous
10/08/2016 21:03
Subject: Difference between Simpsons and capital cotillion?
Mrs Simpson's is exclusive. You either are in the private school world where the invite is almost guaranteed or if in public school you know someone. I would say more brutal to get in if you are a public school person. I like capital Cotillion because you just have to sign up early but all my private school parent friends wanted to Mrs Simpson's because it is exclusive. Sigh
Anonymous
10/08/2016 20:18
Subject: Re:Difference between Simpsons and capital cotillion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Capital Cotillion is open to all, including - gasp - public school kids, whereas Mrs Simpsons is invitation only (and basically just feeds from Holton/Landon).
Our public sends an equal number of kids to both.
Not sure how you would know this, other than by word of mouth which is self-selecting. If your kids attend Mrs. Simpsons, you would know that almost all of the attendees are private school students, with a dominant group coming from Holton and Landon.
My child told me there was a large group of public school kids from Janney and Hearst. But I know there is a large group out there who take comfort in it being exclusive. (It's not shhhhhhhh!)
My child started Mrs.Simpsons while at a DC public school, and we are non-white. We signed up without knowing the "history" of the program, but from what we can tell, whatever negative history existed, it is no longer the case. My child feels welcome, as have we through our limited correspondence with the organizers. Plenty of public school kids also attend, and on the evenings when I have done drop off, diversity among the attendees was apparent. To be invited, just ask a family who currently attends to have you invited. The process isn't daunting. But do realize this program is about old school etiquette, so do expect questions/rules that seem outdated. My child does like it, and does seem to benefit from the lessons - both in terms of the dance program and manners. I have had friends whose children do the other cotillion, and they really rave about it, so both seem like equally good options. Good luck!
Anonymous
10/08/2016 19:39
Subject: Difference between Simpsons and capital cotillion?
Simpson has made anti-semetic comments. Everyone knows this.
Anonymous
10/08/2016 19:34
Subject: Re:Difference between Simpsons and capital cotillion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was amused that the "application" to attend Simpson's asked when and where mama was presented.
Why is this off base at all? What did you expect? It's an application for a finishing school. Now if a job application asked that you would have a point.
No, it's not. It's an application for a monthly Cotillion. Very different from a "finishing school." And I hoped that I was inferring that Capital Cotillion does not ask questions about an issue that many would perceive to be obsolete, at best. I can see that the point went right over your head.