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Anonymous wrote:Actually, this is encouraging. I've been concerned that she's going to drive the US into bankruotcy - ala Greece - with her talk of all the free stuff she's going to hand out, like college educations. Shows she's just making empty promises to entice the Bernie supporters to the polls. (She's good with the lies.)

I'd rather give American kids free college than watch her bring in 100s of thousand of Third World trash that just leech off social programs. And I'd rather write off all college debt than start another multi-trillion dollar war.

Why are those even related? Do you have such a piss-poor understanding of economics?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, this is encouraging. I've been concerned that she's going to drive the US into bankruotcy - ala Greece - with her talk of all the free stuff she's going to hand out, like college educations. Shows she's just making empty promises to entice the Bernie supporters to the polls. (She's good with the lies.)

I'd rather give American kids free college than watch her bring in 100s of thousand of Third World trash that just leech off social programs. And I'd rather write off all college debt than start another multi-trillion dollar war.

We don't have the money for either. But some modified form of free college - for top students from poor backgrounds - makes sense.

Anonymous wrote:Actually, this is encouraging. I've been concerned that she's going to drive the US into bankruotcy - ala Greece - with her talk of all the free stuff she's going to hand out, like college educations. Shows she's just making empty promises to entice the Bernie supporters to the polls. (She's good with the lies.)

I'd rather give American kids free college than watch her bring in 100s of thousand of Third World trash that just leech off social programs. And I'd rather write off all college debt than start another multi-trillion dollar war.

Anonymous wrote:I love how Hillary supporters are like -

Yep this is fine. Nothing to be concerned about. She's spot on. This is awesome. Nothing to see here.

Yep, rack up massive debt and dump it on the backs of millennials and future generations, and then tell everyone there's nothing to see!


http://www.usdebtclock.org

Anonymous wrote:I'll take my chances voting my conscience. Hillary's commitment to foreign wars scares me enough and her backers' mantra that she "gets shit done" means nothing because it, historically, has been awful, awful shit.

Agreed. I keep hearing that she has foreign policy experience, but she's been a diaster. Voted for the Iraq war (wrong) and then against the surge (the thing that saved us). Disasters in Libya and Syria. Horrible judgment (or just incompetence) with Benghazi. The Russian reset (oh, yeah). Her vote for the disastrous Irsn deal, which has emboldened them as they cheat and taunt us. But hey....she logged lots of miles.

I'll take my chances voting my conscience. Hillary's commitment to foreign wars scares me enough and her backers' mantra that she "gets shit done" means nothing because it, historically, has been awful, awful shit.

Anonymous wrote:She has fundamental differnces with our goals and opposes what we stand for but expects our vote. No thank you.

Ok, there are 4 people running for President, if your goals were consistent with Sanders' platform, then both the Republican and Libertarian platforms are fundamentally antithetical to your positions, Gary Johnson has zero chance of getting elected and Trump would likely result in the political infrastructure in this country taking a huge (or even yuge) step in the opposite direction you want to go, including potentially tilting the Supreme Court in a way that is contrary to your goals for decades. Jill Stein might be consistent with some of your goals, but has zero chance of being elected.

If you actually want the country's political direction to stay at least where it is and have some potential of moving in the direction you want it to go, then Clinton is your only practical choice.

Feel free to give money to Stein's campaign or any other campaign who you think represents your interests, but come Election Day your choice is to vote for Clinton or waste your vote in protest, accepting the risk that if too many people think like you then the situation could get much worse.

She has fundamental differnces with our goals and opposes what we stand for but expects our vote. No thank you.

Anonymous wrote:I love how Hillary supporters are like -

Yep this is fine. Nothing to be concerned about. She's spot on. This is awesome. Nothing to see here.

Well, since former Bernie supporters who are now (in some cases grudgingly) Hillary supporters don't seem to be getting offended, and moderates who may have been undecided seem to be agreeing with her, this seems like an attempt to spin up outrage that is missing the target.

There is nothing inaccurate or derogatory in what she said about Bernie's supporters. THis is all spot on. What's the problem?

I love how Hillary supporters are like -

Yep this is fine. Nothing to be concerned about. She's spot on. This is awesome. Nothing to see here.

Sounds spot on to me. What's the problem again?

#BasementDwellers is #1 on twitter right now

Anonymous wrote:She's not incorrect. She's also not insulting them, she's noting the economic realities. You seem to take glee in trying to stir the pot.

+1. And I am a millennial who supported Sanders (although I do not live in my parents' basement!).

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Is the mod a #BasementDweller or not making enough money from this site to be a BernieBro?

This site does very well financially. I am a proud Bernie supporter, but what separates me from the description of Bernie supporters provided by Clinton is age more than anything. When I graduated with a post-graduate degree, I had a relatively small college debt. During my first several years of employment, my salary was so low that I couldn't have survived if I had to service a large debt and even so, I couldn't afford a car. It was only through several lucky moves that resulted in significantly larger salaries that I was able to establish a solid financial basis. I am pretty comfortable now.

I am pretty sure that I couldn't repeat that same success now. College is much more expensive. Housing is much more expensive. Entry level jobs pay less and are not as available. If I was graduating today, I would probably have a huge debt, even worse job prospects, and much higher housing costs. I could easily end up back in my parents basement and I know of a number of recent grads living with their parents in my neighborhood now.

Hillary correctly described that group. I think a lot of us who are reaching the "get off my lawn" stage of life still think things are roughly the same as they were when we walked up hill both ways to school in 10 feet of snow and pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps and paid for our own college and apartments. Costs for college are way, way, up (as we are finding as our kids reach college age). Not every family has been able to put away the money necessary to pay for it. Housing is astronomical in places like Washington, DC. This is a much different reality than we faced.

I guess I missed Clinton changing her position regarding free college. Her plan is less ambitious than Sanders' and not fleshed out regarding funding so I don't think it is as serious. But, It is a step in the right direction.