Anonymous
09/30/2016 18:41
Subject: He fought in WWII. He died in 2014. And he just registered to vote in VA.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fraud at the polls happens. The greatest concern should be around mail in ballots. That is by far the easiest way for voter fraud to occur.
To fraudulently get a mail-in ballot vote in DC, someone would need to know my DC driver's license number or Social Security number, and also would need my birthdate. That person would also need to register to vote in my name and have a mail-in ballot sent to a different address. If I tried to register to vote myself, that would uncover the plot pretty quickly. It also seems easy to spot red flags if dozens of mail-in ballots are being sent to the same home address or PO box. Plus, I'll pretty sure the Republican and Democratic teams already do reviews of the voter registries in presidential elections, looking for fraud like that to disqualify voters in their opponent's location.
All-in-all, that seems like a ton of work - and a high risk of getting caught - for a very small number of votes. I guess it might make sense for a dirty candidate to try something in a small local election with only a few thousand voters. But given that a state like Virginia has well over 4 million votes in a typical presidential election, I don't see how there's much risk of voter registration fraud tipping the election.
The numbers, or small amount of numbers, doesn't matter. It's beside the point. Fraud is possible, it happens. And it could be do preventable.
My vote counts as 1. It's so small. But I'm glad I have it.
Fraud votes count also, and it's wrong to let it continue.
The problem with a blanket "it's wrong to let it continue" is that we will never have a perfect system where everyone who is eligible to vote is able to and no fraudulent voting occurs. If we crack down too hard on potential fraudulent voting, it will come at the expense of eligible voters being blocked from exercising their voting rights. If we go too far in taking down boundaries to voting (e.g., no verification or residency requirements at all, everyone just show up and cast a ballot wherever you want), it risks making fraud too easy so that it does become worth the effort. If we have a system where 19 fraudulent votes are cast but preventing those 19 votes would cost 1,000 people their right to vote, I'm not going to advocate for preventing those 19 votes. If we found ourselves in a situation where 1,000 fraudulent votes were cast and preventing it only would have cost 19 people their right to vote, then we should be having a conversation about that.
Let's just say the numbers are even then. 500 fraud voters don't get a fraud vote, at the expense of 500 who didn't apply correctly/forgot their license/don't have a license(or original birth certificate), etc etc. I don't think it's negligible for the fraud and then drastic for those who would be left out. THAT WOULD illustrate your point, but how do you count nationwide.
So, let's call it even.....at LEAST a change would set it up better for the future:
In the future you'll have fewer 100 year old ladies born without a certificate, who can't get official government ID (and in fact a commonsense provision now is that a county can accommodate a quota of written requests for such cases. say 20/county)
Anonymous
09/30/2016 18:22
Subject: He fought in WWII. He died in 2014. And he just registered to vote in VA.
VA requires voter ID. Doesn't that solve all the problems?
Anonymous
09/30/2016 18:20
Subject: Re:He fought in WWII. He died in 2014. And he just registered to vote in VA.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They registered only 19 people, and were caught well in advance of the election. That suggests to me that voter fraud really isn't a big concern, because they're not getting sufficient numbers to sway an election, and there are systems in place that can catch these things.
These are the ones they caught. How many more out there?
More importantly, how many more out there that were aided in their fraud by the organized left?
Anonymous
09/30/2016 18:19
Subject: Re:He fought in WWII. He died in 2014. And he just registered to vote in VA.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My Grandfather, a WWII vet, voted Republican until the day he died... Since then, he's voted Democrat.
makes sense
Jesus was the first liberal . . .
Then why do liberals hate Christians (followers of Christ)?
Touche PP
Anonymous
09/30/2016 17:55
Subject: Re:He fought in WWII. He died in 2014. And he just registered to vote in VA.
Anonymous wrote:They registered only 19 people, and were caught well in advance of the election. That suggests to me that voter fraud really isn't a big concern, because they're not getting sufficient numbers to sway an election, and there are systems in place that can catch these things.
These are the ones they caught. How many more out there?
Anonymous
09/30/2016 17:42
Subject: Re:He fought in WWII. He died in 2014. And he just registered to vote in VA.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My Grandfather, a WWII vet, voted Republican until the day he died... Since then, he's voted Democrat.
makes sense
Jesus was the first liberal . . .
Then why do liberals hate Christians (followers of Christ)?
Anonymous
09/30/2016 17:39
Subject: He fought in WWII. He died in 2014. And he just registered to vote in VA.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fraud at the polls happens. The greatest concern should be around mail in ballots. That is by far the easiest way for voter fraud to occur.
To fraudulently get a mail-in ballot vote in DC, someone would need to know my DC driver's license number or Social Security number, and also would need my birthdate. That person would also need to register to vote in my name and have a mail-in ballot sent to a different address. If I tried to register to vote myself, that would uncover the plot pretty quickly. It also seems easy to spot red flags if dozens of mail-in ballots are being sent to the same home address or PO box. Plus, I'll pretty sure the Republican and Democratic teams already do reviews of the voter registries in presidential elections, looking for fraud like that to disqualify voters in their opponent's location.
All-in-all, that seems like a ton of work - and a high risk of getting caught - for a very small number of votes. I guess it might make sense for a dirty candidate to try something in a small local election with only a few thousand voters. But given that a state like Virginia has well over 4 million votes in a typical presidential election, I don't see how there's much risk of voter registration fraud tipping the election.
You mean they couldn't just take an unopened ballot out of the recycle bin and send it in already filled out?
Anonymous
09/30/2016 16:54
Subject: Re:He fought in WWII. He died in 2014. And he just registered to vote in VA.
Anonymous wrote:My Grandfather, a WWII vet, voted Republican until the day he died... Since then, he's voted Democrat.
makes sense
Jesus was the first liberal . . .
Anonymous
09/30/2016 16:51
Subject: He fought in WWII. He died in 2014. And he just registered to vote in VA.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fraud at the polls happens. The greatest concern should be around mail in ballots. That is by far the easiest way for voter fraud to occur.
To fraudulently get a mail-in ballot vote in DC, someone would need to know my DC driver's license number or Social Security number, and also would need my birthdate. That person would also need to register to vote in my name and have a mail-in ballot sent to a different address. If I tried to register to vote myself, that would uncover the plot pretty quickly. It also seems easy to spot red flags if dozens of mail-in ballots are being sent to the same home address or PO box. Plus, I'll pretty sure the Republican and Democratic teams already do reviews of the voter registries in presidential elections, looking for fraud like that to disqualify voters in their opponent's location.
All-in-all, that seems like a ton of work - and a high risk of getting caught - for a very small number of votes. I guess it might make sense for a dirty candidate to try something in a small local election with only a few thousand voters. But given that a state like Virginia has well over 4 million votes in a typical presidential election, I don't see how there's much risk of voter registration fraud tipping the election.
The numbers, or small amount of numbers, doesn't matter. It's beside the point. Fraud is possible, it happens. And it could be do preventable.
My vote counts as 1. It's so small. But I'm glad I have it.
Fraud votes count also, and it's wrong to let it continue.
The problem with a blanket "it's wrong to let it continue" is that we will never have a perfect system where everyone who is eligible to vote is able to and no fraudulent voting occurs. If we crack down too hard on potential fraudulent voting, it will come at the expense of eligible voters being blocked from exercising their voting rights. If we go too far in taking down boundaries to voting (e.g., no verification or residency requirements at all, everyone just show up and cast a ballot wherever you want), it risks making fraud too easy so that it does become worth the effort. If we have a system where 19 fraudulent votes are cast but preventing those 19 votes would cost 1,000 people their right to vote, I'm not going to advocate for preventing those 19 votes. If we found ourselves in a situation where 1,000 fraudulent votes were cast and preventing it only would have cost 19 people their right to vote, then we should be having a conversation about that.
Anonymous
09/30/2016 16:43
Subject: He fought in WWII. He died in 2014. And he just registered to vote in VA.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fraud at the polls happens. The greatest concern should be around mail in ballots. That is by far the easiest way for voter fraud to occur.
To fraudulently get a mail-in ballot vote in DC, someone would need to know my DC driver's license number or Social Security number, and also would need my birthdate. That person would also need to register to vote in my name and have a mail-in ballot sent to a different address. If I tried to register to vote myself, that would uncover the plot pretty quickly. It also seems easy to spot red flags if dozens of mail-in ballots are being sent to the same home address or PO box. Plus, I'll pretty sure the Republican and Democratic teams already do reviews of the voter registries in presidential elections, looking for fraud like that to disqualify voters in their opponent's location.
All-in-all, that seems like a ton of work - and a high risk of getting caught - for a very small number of votes. I guess it might make sense for a dirty candidate to try something in a small local election with only a few thousand voters. But given that a state like Virginia has well over 4 million votes in a typical presidential election, I don't see how there's much risk of voter registration fraud tipping the election.
The numbers, or small amount of numbers, doesn't matter. It's beside the point. Fraud is possible, it happens. And it could be do preventable.
My vote counts as 1. It's so small. But I'm glad I have it.
Fraud votes count also, and it's wrong to let it continue.
Anonymous
09/30/2016 14:52
Subject: Re:He fought in WWII. He died in 2014. And he just registered to vote in VA.
Anonymous wrote:My Grandfather, a WWII vet, voted Republican until the day he died... Since then, he's voted Democrat.
Lol. Hence, the liberal win. What a fraud.
Anonymous
09/30/2016 14:20
Subject: He fought in WWII. He died in 2014. And he just registered to vote in VA.
Anonymous wrote:Fraud at the polls happens. The greatest concern should be around mail in ballots. That is by far the easiest way for voter fraud to occur.
To fraudulently get a mail-in ballot vote in DC, someone would need to know my DC driver's license number or Social Security number, and also would need my birthdate. That person would also need to register to vote in my name and have a mail-in ballot sent to a different address. If I tried to register to vote myself, that would uncover the plot pretty quickly. It also seems easy to spot red flags if dozens of mail-in ballots are being sent to the same home address or PO box. Plus, I'll pretty sure the Republican and Democratic teams already do reviews of the voter registries in presidential elections, looking for fraud like that to disqualify voters in their opponent's location.
All-in-all, that seems like a ton of work - and a high risk of getting caught - for a very small number of votes. I guess it might make sense for a dirty candidate to try something in a small local election with only a few thousand voters. But given that a state like Virginia has well over 4 million votes in a typical presidential election, I don't see how there's much risk of voter registration fraud tipping the election.
Anonymous
09/30/2016 13:37
Subject: He fought in WWII. He died in 2014. And he just registered to vote in VA.
Fraud at the polls happens. The greatest concern should be around mail in ballots. That is by far the easiest way for voter fraud to occur.
Anonymous
09/30/2016 13:10
Subject: He fought in WWII. He died in 2014. And he just registered to vote in VA.
Anonymous wrote:This is important to talk about. Can we not make this partisan? Can we all agree that our voting system needs to enter the 21st century? That there are potential (and existing) problems that can be fixed by upgrading the way we register, and the way we vote?
Great proposal. I agree. I just moved into DC from MD recently, and I'm really impressed with how DC handles voting. Once I'd registered, I was able to sign up for automatic absentee vote-by-mail for every election. DC will just mail me a ballot a few weeks before each election, and I send it back. I can check online to confirm they received my ballot. Worked like a charm for the primary. Seems like a great system.
Eventually we will all shift to online voting, once we get past the political issue of one party wanting to depress turnout, but this is a good interim step.
Anonymous
09/30/2016 12:48
Subject: He fought in WWII. He died in 2014. And he just registered to vote in VA.
This is important to talk about. Can we not make this partisan? Can we all agree that our voting system needs to enter the 21st century? That there are potential (and existing) problems that can be fixed by upgrading the way we register, and the way we vote?