Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hero. He unmasked the police state we live in

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I think what he did was REALLY brave. I honestly don't know if I could be that brave and self sacrificing. I'd like to think so but I'd probably chicken out.

If you know anything about counter-intelligence, you would know that he did more damage to our national security that some of the spies that have been caught in recent years. Aldrich Ames.... Robert Hanssen......John Walker.... all spies that caused incredible damage to our national security and because of the information they passed, people were killed.

This guy is worse. He is no hero. He is a coward. He revealed information than ran to Russia for protection. He couldn’t even stay in the US to defend himself.
He is a treasonous coward.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hero. He unmasked the police state we live in

+ 1

I think what he did was REALLY brave. I honestly don't know if I could be that brave and self sacrificing. I'd like to think so but I'd probably chicken out.

If you know anything about counter-intelligence, you would know that he did more damage to our national security that some of the spies that have been caught in recent years. Aldrich Ames.... Robert Hanssen......John Walker.... all spies that caused incredible damage to our national security and because of the information they passed, people were killed.

This guy is worse. He is no hero. He is a coward. He revealed information than ran to Russia for protection. He couldn’t even stay in the US to defend himself.
He is a treasonous coward.

This is inaccurate. Every study that has been done shows little to no effect on national security. Even his detractors concede that. Go ahead and google it. Anyway, that actually makes sense when you consider that the main point of his leak was data on the US program to spy on Americans in bulk (not targeted).

Just googled.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/house-committee-blasts-edward-snowden-n649146?client=safari

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/intel-heads-edward-snowden-profound-damage-us-security/story?id=22285388

https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/dont-listen-to-edward-snowdens-supporters-his-leaks-have-been-a-gift-to-terrorists-10307959.html%3famp

Thank you. I am the pp who considers him a treasonous coward.
Now, I would like the pp to share the links where his detractors say he did not do serious damage.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hero. He unmasked the police state we live in

+ 1

I think what he did was REALLY brave. I honestly don't know if I could be that brave and self sacrificing. I'd like to think so but I'd probably chicken out.

If you know anything about counter-intelligence, you would know that he did more damage to our national security that some of the spies that have been caught in recent years. Aldrich Ames.... Robert Hanssen......John Walker.... all spies that caused incredible damage to our national security and because of the information they passed, people were killed.

This guy is worse. He is no hero. He is a coward. He revealed information than ran to Russia for protection. He couldn’t even stay in the US to defend himself.
He is a treasonous coward.

This is inaccurate. Every study that has been done shows little to no effect on national security. Even his detractors concede that. Go ahead and google it. Anyway, that actually makes sense when you consider that the main point of his leak was data on the US program to spy on Americans in bulk (not targeted).

Just googled.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/house-committee-blasts-edward-snowden-n649146?client=safari

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/intel-heads-edward-snowden-profound-damage-us-security/story?id=22285388

https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/dont-listen-to-edward-snowdens-supporters-his-leaks-have-been-a-gift-to-terrorists-10307959.html%3famp

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he'd had the courage of his convictions to stay here and face the consequences of his behavior, I'd probably view him as a hero and hope that he would be pardoned. That he instead hightailed it out of the country and then decided to stay in Russia, a place that should be so deeply antithetical to his beliefs about transparency, privacy and freedom, completely destroyed his credibility in my mind. He's an opportunist.

You may be right but in my mind his motivations and what he released are separate. His motivations may go toward whether or not he should be pardoned. But at bottom if what he released demonstrated illegal activity by the government, then it was a moral act to release it regardless of why he released it.

I will freely admit I likely would not have had the courage to release it no matter what. I like to think I would, but deep down I know I would not. And I likely would have fled too. It's the rare person who has the courage to stick around to be jailed and possibly tried for treason. This isn't Hollywood. Most people are not heroes.

For me, it isn't about motivations or courage - but actions. He released documents that had nothing to do with what he stated he was "uncovering". He did not read what he released. If he had released a handful of documents that exposed domestic spying - that would be brave. But to download tens of thousands of top secret documents and "releasing" them to the world - without looking at the consequences - life and death to real people - is the opposite of brave. I do not care about his motivations. But the consequences of his actions - he placed people in real danger by irresponsibly putting documents on the public domain without even LOOKING at them.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hero. He unmasked the police state we live in

+ 1

I think what he did was REALLY brave. I honestly don't know if I could be that brave and self sacrificing. I'd like to think so but I'd probably chicken out.

If you know anything about counter-intelligence, you would know that he did more damage to our national security that some of the spies that have been caught in recent years. Aldrich Ames.... Robert Hanssen......John Walker.... all spies that caused incredible damage to our national security and because of the information they passed, people were killed.

This guy is worse. He is no hero. He is a coward. He revealed information than ran to Russia for protection. He couldn’t even stay in the US to defend himself.
He is a treasonous coward.

This is inaccurate. Every study that has been done shows little to no effect on national security. Even his detractors concede that. Go ahead and google it. Anyway, that actually makes sense when you consider that the main point of his leak was data on the US program to spy on Americans in bulk (not targeted).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If he'd had the courage of his convictions to stay here and face the consequences of his behavior, I'd probably view him as a hero and hope that he would be pardoned. That he instead hightailed it out of the country and then decided to stay in Russia, a place that should be so deeply antithetical to his beliefs about transparency, privacy and freedom, completely destroyed his credibility in my mind. He's an opportunist.

You may be right but in my mind his motivations and what he released are separate. His motivations may go toward whether or not he should be pardoned. But at bottom if what he released demonstrated illegal activity by the government, then it was a moral act to release it regardless of why he released it.

I will freely admit I likely would not have had the courage to release it no matter what. I like to think I would, but deep down I know I would not. And I likely would have fled too. It's the rare person who has the courage to stick around to be jailed and possibly tried for treason. This isn't Hollywood. Most people are not heroes.

Anonymous wrote:I think he did the right thing exposing spying on us. But I don't see him ever getting pardoned.

Anonymous wrote:If he'd had the courage of his convictions to stay here and face the consequences of his behavior, I'd probably view him as a hero and hope that he would be pardoned. That he instead hightailed it out of the country and then decided to stay in Russia, a place that should be so deeply antithetical to his beliefs about transparency, privacy and freedom, completely destroyed his credibility in my mind. He's an opportunist.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hero. He unmasked the police state we live in

+ 1

I think what he did was REALLY brave. I honestly don't know if I could be that brave and self sacrificing. I'd like to think so but I'd probably chicken out.

If you know anything about counter-intelligence, you would know that he did more damage to our national security that some of the spies that have been caught in recent years. Aldrich Ames.... Robert Hanssen......John Walker.... all spies that caused incredible damage to our national security and because of the information they passed, people were killed.

This guy is worse. He is no hero. He is a coward. He revealed information than ran to Russia for protection. He couldn’t even stay in the US to defend himself.
He is a treasonous coward.

Anonymous wrote:He can't be pardoned, since he's not been convicted. Wouldn't he need to go through due process before getting pardoned?

Obama would have to direct his law enforcement agencies to look the other way, and fortunately, we know he'd never do that to an existing law.

Anonymous wrote:If he'd had the courage of his convictions to stay here and face the consequences of his behavior, I'd probably view him as a hero and hope that he would be pardoned. That he instead hightailed it out of the country and then decided to stay in Russia, a place that should be so deeply antithetical to his beliefs about transparency, privacy and freedom, completely destroyed his credibility in my mind. He's an opportunist.