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Anonymous wrote:These days, all high school courses are on the college track. The AP courses are on the college level, which is why passing the AP test can earn college credits.

Except that selective universities (particularly the private ones) have little to no incentive to offer college credits for AP. The University of Nebraska may give you credit, but that doesn't mean Dartmouth will.

Almost all universities, even the most selective, give some sort of credit for AP exams. However, that's not the point. I can't speak for high schools in other areas of the country, but around here everyone is on the college track. The AP classes are teaching at the actual college level.

That appears to be a matter of debate. To take Dartmouth as an example (which I do merely because it arose in the thread) they appear to recognize something of value in the AP course. That said, it saves you nothing in the $65,000+ per year. Nothing. Jay Matthews says this: "The National Alliance of Concurrent Enrollment Partnerships produces rigorous accreditation standards boosting the chances that dual-enrollment students will get credit. Half of the states have agreements that require public colleges and universities to accept dual-enrollment credits, but Virginia, Maryland and the District are not part of that group." Of course, public universities can be strong-armed in by their state-legislatures, but privates cannot. This is a discussion about dual-enrollment, but it is highly relevant to the status of AP and IB candidates.

"It is important to point out, though, that many colleges, particularly the most-selective ones, do not always give college credit for good grades on AP and IB exams, either. I am convinced that their most beneficial effect is on the rigor and depth of high school learning. Eventually, colleges will be persuaded to give more credit for college-level courses in high school, but the students involved are at least more ready for the challenges of higher education."

Shorter Jay: IB/AP/Dual-enrollment - they're teaching at a level and with intensity that is most likely to make students prepared for college. This is a good thing for college prep. It doesn't mean there will be college credit.

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Anonymous wrote:These days, all high school courses are on the college track. The AP courses are on the college level, which is why passing the AP test can earn college credits.

Except that selective universities (particularly the private ones) have little to no incentive to offer college credits for AP. The University of Nebraska may give you credit, but that doesn't mean Dartmouth will.

Almost all universities, even the most selective, give some sort of credit for AP exams. However, that's not the point. I can't speak for high schools in other areas of the country, but around here everyone is on the college track. The AP classes are teaching at the actual college level.

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OP, you need to relax. You seem wound extremely tight. Why do you care? I grew up in a crappy school system where we barely had honors/AP, was a terrible high school student but excellent writer and test-taker, made it in to Big State U (miraculously, if you ask my parents) and graduated magna cum laude. I didn't feel unprepared. Maybe because I was "only" at Big State U and not an Ivy. But seriously. Your snowflake will be OK, honors/AP or the horror of "regular" curriculum. And if you live anywhere in MoCo or Northern VA, your regular kid already has a leg up on kids from where I come from. Funny, all the Ffx Co kids at my college were cheating off me in class.

1. You grew up in a different generation. It is so much more stratified these days. Normal courses used to be challenging — they're all a joke now.

2. Because over 40% of kids are failing out of university and I guarantee if you isolated kids who didn't take Honors-Advanced-AP courses it's more like 80%. That's a hell of a lot of money blown because gullible parents assumed their A-B-C idiot was ready for college. And obviously exploitative colleges admit everyone with a pulse who has access to grants and loans.

How about providing a source for your ridiculous statistics. Plenty of kids drop out for various reasons, but how many leave because they are failing their classes? Stop making things up.

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OP, you need to relax. You seem wound extremely tight. Why do you care? I grew up in a crappy school system where we barely had honors/AP, was a terrible high school student but excellent writer and test-taker, made it in to Big State U (miraculously, if you ask my parents) and graduated magna cum laude. I didn't feel unprepared. Maybe because I was "only" at Big State U and not an Ivy. But seriously. Your snowflake will be OK, honors/AP or the horror of "regular" curriculum. And if you live anywhere in MoCo or Northern VA, your regular kid already has a leg up on kids from where I come from. Funny, all the Ffx Co kids at my college were cheating off me in class.

1. You grew up in a different generation. It is so much more stratified these days. Normal courses used to be challenging — they're all a joke now.

2. Because over 40% of kids are failing out of university and I guarantee if you isolated kids who didn't take Honors-Advanced-AP courses it's more like 80%. That's a hell of a lot of money blown because gullible parents assumed their A-B-C idiot was ready for college. And obviously exploitative colleges admit everyone with a pulse who has access to grants and loans.

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Anonymous wrote:I think OP is upset because her AP/Honors kid got a B in the AP class and her kid's friend, in normal class, got an A and now she can't brag as much because it'll sound trite.

Yup.

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OP, you need to relax. You seem wound extremely tight. Why do you care? I grew up in a crappy school system where we barely had honors/AP, was a terrible high school student but excellent writer and test-taker, made it in to Big State U (miraculously, if you ask my parents) and graduated magna cum laude. I didn't feel unprepared. Maybe because I was "only" at Big State U and not an Ivy. But seriously. Your snowflake will be OK, honors/AP or the horror of "regular" curriculum. And if you live anywhere in MoCo or Northern VA, your regular kid already has a leg up on kids from where I come from. Funny, all the Ffx Co kids at my college were cheating off me in class.

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Anonymous wrote:These days, all high school courses are on the college track. The AP courses are on the college level, which is why passing the AP test can earn college credits.

Except that selective universities (particularly the private ones) have little to no incentive to offer college credits for AP. The University of Nebraska may give you credit, but that doesn't mean Dartmouth will.

Anonymous wrote:I think OP is upset because her AP/Honors kid got a B in the AP class and her kid's friend, in normal class, got an A and now she can't brag as much because it'll sound trite.

Anonymous wrote:I think OP is upset because her AP/Honors kid got a B in the AP class and her kid's friend, in normal class, got an A and now she can't brag as much because it'll sound trite.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These days, all high school courses are on the college track. The AP courses are on the college level, which is why passing the AP test can earn college credits.

Except that selective universities (particularly the private ones) have little to no incentive to offer college credits for AP. The University of Nebraska may give you credit, but that doesn't mean Dartmouth will.

Dartmouth actually gives credit for more than 20 AP exam grades or 4 or 5 and exempts you from entry level work for others. You can look credit policies for every university on the College Board website https://apstudent.collegeboard.org/creditandplacement/credit-policy-detail?diCode=3351&orgId=3300&name=Dartmouth%20College&address=Hanover%2C%20NH

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These days, all high school courses are on the college track. The AP courses are on the college level, which is why passing the AP test can earn college credits.

Except that selective universities (particularly the private ones) have little to no incentive to offer college credits for AP. The University of Nebraska may give you credit, but that doesn't mean Dartmouth will.

Dartmouth actually gives credit for more than 20 AP exam grades or 4 or 5 and exempts you from entry level work for others. You can look credit policies for every university on the College Board website https://apstudent.collegeboard.org/creditandplacement/credit-policy-detail?diCode=3351&orgId=3300&name=Dartmouth%20College&address=Hanover%2C%20NH

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Anonymous wrote:Are you jealous of kids who get As in "regular" classes? To most colleges, an A is an A.

An A isn't an A. Of course colleges look to see if kids took AP and Honors classes. Do you really think that they are going to accept a kid with straight As taking automechanic and woodwork over a kid with As/Bs in Honors English and physics? You are out of your mind.

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Anonymous wrote:These days, all high school courses are on the college track. The AP courses are on the college level, which is why passing the AP test can earn college credits.

Except that selective universities (particularly the private ones) have little to no incentive to offer college credits for AP. The University of Nebraska may give you credit, but that doesn't mean Dartmouth will.