Anonymous
Post 09/09/2016 10:34     Subject: Why are white American men so afraid of a female POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:I'm a woman but I'm afraid of a female president if it means portraying the leader of the free world constantly as a victim just because of her gender. I don't think it's a good message for my young daughter.

But you're ok with the message that a male POTUS can make fun of a woman's look? If a female leader did this, you would be ok with that, too?

How has she portrayed herself as a victim because she's a woman? If anything, she has stated that she's had to learn to control her emotions, hide them, because she is a woman.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2016 10:34     Subject: Why are MAJORITY white American men so afraid of a female POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, you said white men, not most white men. Gross generalization to stir the pot. Inject a little nuance into your statement and then have a real discussion.

This is just as bad as saying women will vote for Clinton just because she is a woman. Gender is not part of my calculus so why should I assume it is for white men?

OK, so I changed the title -- added "majority". The polls back up how majority of white men, especially non educated, support Trump.

"Trump led Clinton among men overall (56 percent to 34 percent), white male college graduates (59 to 33) and white men without college degrees (76 to 14)."

""This is the group that economically and socially have lost the most ground in America over the last 30 or 40 years," he told ABC News on Tuesday. "There was a time when, by virtue of being a man, you could feel superior to women in the workforce. There was a time when you could make a pretty good living in manufacturing, and that’s disappearing. There was a time when you didn’t feel a lot of competition from immigrants ... and that's disappearing.""

I feel like to this group of men, HRC epitomizes the loss of their "manness", and dark skin immigrants epitomizes the loss of their manufacturing jobs (which really started with Reagan when those jobs started moving down south).

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-sizable-lead-white-male-voters-increases/story?id=39526363


Take ''afraid'' out of the subject line and then there is nothing to chat about.

I mean, I could just as easily use any minority and ask why they are afraid of Trump, or any Republican.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2016 10:31     Subject: Why are white American men so afraid of a female POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:I'm a woman but I'm afraid of a female president if it means portraying the leader of the free world constantly as a victim just because of her gender. I don't think it's a good message for my young daughter.


Biggest you can imagine
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2016 10:30     Subject: Why are white American men so afraid of a female POTUS?
I'm a woman but I'm afraid of a female president if it means portraying the leader of the free world constantly as a victim just because of her gender. I don't think it's a good message for my young daughter.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2016 10:30     Subject: Why are MAJORITY white American men so afraid of a female POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:OP, you said white men, not most white men. Gross generalization to stir the pot. Inject a little nuance into your statement and then have a real discussion.

This is just as bad as saying women will vote for Clinton just because she is a woman. Gender is not part of my calculus so why should I assume it is for white men?

OK, so I changed the title -- added "majority". The polls back up how majority of white men, especially non educated, support Trump.

"Trump led Clinton among men overall (56 percent to 34 percent), white male college graduates (59 to 33) and white men without college degrees (76 to 14)."

""This is the group that economically and socially have lost the most ground in America over the last 30 or 40 years," he told ABC News on Tuesday. "There was a time when, by virtue of being a man, you could feel superior to women in the workforce. There was a time when you could make a pretty good living in manufacturing, and that’s disappearing. There was a time when you didn’t feel a lot of competition from immigrants ... and that's disappearing.""

I feel like to this group of men, HRC epitomizes the loss of their "manness", and dark skin immigrants epitomizes the loss of their manufacturing jobs (which really started with Reagan when those jobs started moving down south).

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-sizable-lead-white-male-voters-increases/story?id=39526363
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2016 10:24     Subject: Why are white American men so afraid of a female POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are several western (and non western countries) with female leaders. Why are American white men so against HRC?

There has been much said about the Commander in Chief forum, and how HRC never smiled. The white male Repubs made a point about that. If she had been a man, I highly doubt they would've said anything about it.

I'm not a huge HRC supporter (I'm actually a former Republican), but I don't understand why American white males are sexist in this regard. I know, I know.. she's crooked, unfit, blah blah blah.. but honestly, the same argument can be used against Trump.

So, is it because they are sexist? Would they, could they even admit it to themselves?


They are in YOUR MIND and for some reason you can't let it go. In reality it is far from a fact or issue. Can you even admit that to yourself?

My DH is white and voting for HRC. So, yes, I know there are white American men who don't support Trump. But, a vast majority do. Like I stated, in my mind, he is as bad as she is. So why support him but not her?

Do you honestly think if she said some of the things he has, making fun of a disabled person on national tv, saying hateful things about a religion, an ethnic group, that she wouldn't be called a horrible person? Yet, Trump has said all these things, but his supporters say nothing about his behavior.

He is as arrogant, if not more so, than she is, but I read on here all the time by Trump supporters about how arrogant she is. The backlash she got for not smiling on the CIC forum was very telling to me.


pp here

There is no doubt that MOST people react according to gender at times when it come to certain things said or done. That does NOT mean they wouldn't support her based on that. You are allowing gender to play too big a part on why most people support or don't.

And your vast majority? Party lines are as they are and most party people can't see anything good about someone from the other. Part of the reason I can't stand party affiliation.

BTW, neither of them are warm and fuzzy people.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2016 10:14     Subject: Why are white American men so afraid of a female POTUS?
OP, you said white men, not most white men. Gross generalization to stir the pot. Inject a little nuance into your statement and then have a real discussion.

This is just as bad as saying women will vote for Clinton just because she is a woman. Gender is not part of my calculus so why should I assume it is for white men?
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2016 10:14     Subject: Why are white American men so afraid of a female POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:They'll all be against *this* female until another is nominated, then dollars to donuts there will be some reason that they just cannot support her, either.

OP here. I do think it's very odd that this country has never had a really viable female POTUS until now, while several western, eastern, and even Islamic countries have. It's weird.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2016 10:11     Subject: Why are white American men so afraid of a female POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are several western (and non western countries) with female leaders. Why are American white men so against HRC?

There has been much said about the Commander in Chief forum, and how HRC never smiled. The white male Repubs made a point about that. If she had been a man, I highly doubt they would've said anything about it.

I'm not a huge HRC supporter (I'm actually a former Republican), but I don't understand why American white males are sexist in this regard. I know, I know.. she's crooked, unfit, blah blah blah.. but honestly, the same argument can be used against Trump.

So, is it because they are sexist? Would they, could they even admit it to themselves?


They are in YOUR MIND and for some reason you can't let it go. In reality it is far from a fact or issue. Can you even admit that to yourself?

My DH is white and voting for HRC. So, yes, I know there are white American men who don't support Trump. But, a vast majority do. Like I stated, in my mind, he is as bad as she is. So why support him but not her?

Do you honestly think if she said some of the things he has, making fun of a disabled person on national tv, saying hateful things about a religion, an ethnic group, that she wouldn't be called a horrible person? Yet, Trump has said all these things, but his supporters say nothing about his behavior.

He is as arrogant, if not more so, than she is, but I read on here all the time by Trump supporters about how arrogant she is. The backlash she got for not smiling on the CIC forum was very telling to me.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2016 10:11     Subject: Why are white American men so afraid of a female POTUS?
They'll all be against *this* female until another is nominated, then dollars to donuts there will be some reason that they just cannot support her, either.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2016 10:07     Subject: Re:Why are white American men so afraid of a female POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:It's this particular female POTUS we're afraid of.


+100
The men I know are not against a female POTUS. They are against THIS female.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2016 10:06     Subject: Re:Why are white American men so afraid of a female POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's this particular female POTUS we're afraid of.

why? He's just as bad as she is. Why is it that he can say horrible things, but if she does it shows she's heartless? The crap he said about the Gold Star family was pretty heartless, too, no? But his supporters backed him. If she had said anything of that sort, she would've skewered. Oh, wait, she was skewered for stating that Ms. Smith didn't remember it the same way she did, and that wasn't even close to an insult as what Trump stated about the Gold Star family he insulted.


PP here, and I'm not voting for either of them. So don't make it a binary issue.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2016 10:05     Subject: Why are white American men so afraid of a female POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:I don't know why. But they truly are. Men hate a "bitch" - and they've put her in this corner. Even my own husband! He voted for Obama, if Biden was running he would vote for him...so why not HRC?? They all have similar policies. It's bc she's a female, I think.


I'm sure this is true for many people - whether they want to admit it or even realize it.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2016 10:05     Subject: Why are white American men so afraid of a female POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:There are several western (and non western countries) with female leaders. Why are American white men so against HRC?

There has been much said about the Commander in Chief forum, and how HRC never smiled. The white male Repubs made a point about that. If she had been a man, I highly doubt they would've said anything about it.

I'm not a huge HRC supporter (I'm actually a former Republican), but I don't understand why American white males are sexist in this regard. I know, I know.. she's crooked, unfit, blah blah blah.. but honestly, the same argument can be used against Trump.

So, is it because they are sexist? Would they, could they even admit it to themselves?


They are in YOUR MIND and for some reason you can't let it go. In reality it is far from a fact or issue. Can you even admit that to yourself?
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2016 10:04     Subject: Re:Why are white American men so afraid of a female POTUS?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Who says they're against her because she's a woman? Maybe they don't like a lying, conniving, corrupt, ethically bankrupt PERSON as president, and have decided she is worse than Trump. No good choices in this election.

Just like everything isn't about race, not everything is about gender.

OP here. But like I said, same can be said about Trump. He is just as morally bankrupt, hypocritical, conniving, and a liar as much as she is. Is that it's ok for a man to be like this because it shows he's tough, but if a woman has these traits, she's just a bad person?


Well said