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Anonymous wrote:I taught at a school with a six year super senior who wasn't in SpEd or ESOL. He did graduate and walk.

and is probably in jail right now

Or he took his high school diploma and joined the military. (They don't want GEDs.)

You're welcome.

uh yeah

haven't seen too many of those during my 20+ years in some challenging high schools

And neither have most of my colleagues.

gangs? yes?

jail time? yes

GED? no

Of course not GED. That was PP's point, teach. They want a high school diploma, not a GED.

I think I was hoping that the remedial students would get a teacher like the guy from Welcome Back Kotter!

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Anonymous wrote:At the end of the school year the begins when they are 21. So if they turn 22 they stay until graduation of that year.

Twenty one is only for esol and special ed

There are kids like mine starting high school as 13 year olds. What dumbass decided an adult old enough to buy alcohol and who could be arrested for statuatory rape or sex with a minor if he dated any of his classmates should remain in traditional school?

21 year olds do not belong in high school.

20 should only be for special ed.

Everyone else should go to an alternative high school once they hit 19.

I knew a handful of people who turned 19 right before graduating. I'd rather have them around and in class than have 13 year olds in high school. (Traditionally a student turns 13 in 7th grade.)

Not August bday kids in most states.

And for states where the kindergarten cut off is December (Hawaii and California are two places that come to mind) at least 1/3 of the class is 13 when starting high school.

19-21 year old men do not belong in high school with 13-15 year old teens, unless there is a documented special ed reason.

Red shirting for sports is not a good enough reason.

High school athletes end their eligibility at a certain age. It's actually a heartbreaking issue for kids with significant disabilities, because, at least in MD, the Special Olympics Unified Teams follow the same eligibility guidelines and it can be very hard to explain to a student why the bocce team they loved last year isn't an option this year.

So there are no kids in high school at 20 due to athletic eligibility.

In HS, 14 year olds are often in courses with older students. For example, my older DD took the technology course as a junior and 3 electives senior year that had mixed ages. My stepson took PE as a senior and the class was mostly freshmen.

Anonymous wrote:OP here - yes, I found out about the 18 year old sophomore because he was recently arrested for stabbing his 19 pregnant girlfriend, another student. I really applaud everyone who is working hard to stay in school and graduate; I just know that there must be some benefit to alternative paths to graduation as well. Math classes and language classes can be very mixed in high school. I wouldn't want to be a 19 year old in class with 14 year olds. How demoralizing!

Have you ever spent any time in an alternative HS program. They are pretty demoralizing as well. My cousin did one in another state because she got pregnant two years ago and her mom couldn't watch her baby. So she had to stay home during the day and go to school at night. The course offerings were very limited and there were no extracurriculars that could have helped my cousin with her college applications. The school counselor was overwhelmed and mostly concerned with documenting attendance for probation officers and social services.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I taught at a school with a six year super senior who wasn't in SpEd or ESOL. He did graduate and walk.

and is probably in jail right now

Or he took his high school diploma and joined the military. (They don't want GEDs.)

You're welcome.

uh yeah

haven't seen too many of those during my 20+ years in some challenging high schools

And neither have most of my colleagues.

gangs? yes?

jail time? yes

GED? no

In your experience the kids who join gangs persist through six years of high school and earn diplomas first? That has not been my experience as a teacher.

Obviously the kids who stay for six years and graduate don't go on to get a GED. They have a HS diploma.

Anonymous wrote:OP here - yes, I found out about the 18 year old sophomore because he was recently arrested for stabbing his 19 pregnant girlfriend, another student. I really applaud everyone who is working hard to stay in school and graduate; I just know that there must be some benefit to alternative paths to graduation as well. Math classes and language classes can be very mixed in high school. I wouldn't want to be a 19 year old in class with 14 year olds. How demoralizing!

And being kicked out to attend an alternative school would be less demoralizing?

OP here - yes, I found out about the 18 year old sophomore because he was recently arrested for stabbing his 19 pregnant girlfriend, another student. I really applaud everyone who is working hard to stay in school and graduate; I just know that there must be some benefit to alternative paths to graduation as well. Math classes and language classes can be very mixed in high school. I wouldn't want to be a 19 year old in class with 14 year olds. How demoralizing!

This REALLY does not bother me, because it's going to be quite rare.

Also, sexual assaults happen between peers, and having more punishments available for an adult student does not make the assault more palatable!

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Anonymous wrote:I taught at a school with a six year super senior who wasn't in SpEd or ESOL. He did graduate and walk.

and is probably in jail right now

Actually, he's taking classes at MC while working full time to support his young daughter.

one of the few successes

FEW successes

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I taught at a school with a six year super senior who wasn't in SpEd or ESOL. He did graduate and walk.

and is probably in jail right now

Or he took his high school diploma and joined the military. (They don't want GEDs.)

You're welcome.

uh yeah

haven't seen too many of those during my 20+ years in some challenging high schools

And neither have most of my colleagues.

gangs? yes?

jail time? yes

GED? no

Anonymous wrote:Is the OP referring to the 18 year old who was IDd in the Washington Post as a sophomore at Einstein who allegedly stabbed his GF?

Possibly, but there are 18 year old sophomores in many MCPS HS. 17 is pretty common, too. Consider this scenario: Parent redshirts son who then starts K at 6. He is 15 when he finished MS. Freshman year, he turns 16, but struggles with social issues and doesn't earn enough credits to advance to sophomore. At the end of his second freshman year, he is 17. He could well be 18 by the spring of freshman year.

Is the OP referring to the 18 year old who was IDd in the Washington Post as a sophomore at Einstein who allegedly stabbed his GF?

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Anonymous wrote:At the end of the school year the begins when they are 21. So if they turn 22 they stay until graduation of that year.

Twenty one is only for esol and special ed

There are kids like mine starting high school as 13 year olds. What dumbass decided an adult old enough to buy alcohol and who could be arrested for statuatory rape or sex with a minor if he dated any of his classmates should remain in traditional school?

21 year olds do not belong in high school.

20 should only be for special ed.

Everyone else should go to an alternative high school once they hit 19.

I knew a handful of people who turned 19 right before graduating. I'd rather have them around and in class than have 13 year olds in high school. (Traditionally a student turns 13 in 7th grade.)

Not August bday kids in most states.

And for states where the kindergarten cut off is December (Hawaii and California are two places that come to mind) at least 1/3 of the class is 13 when starting high school.

19-21 year old men do not belong in high school with 13-15 year old teens, unless there is a documented special ed reason.

Red shirting for sports is not a good enough reason.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I taught at a school with a six year super senior who wasn't in SpEd or ESOL. He did graduate and walk.

and is probably in jail right now

Or he took his high school diploma and joined the military. (They don't want GEDs.)

You're welcome.