Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:So, you are saying that you are not a father, or at least not acting like one?

Staunch believer here in equal pay for equal work. By the same token, someone should make the children/household needs their priority. I don't much care which parent does it, but in reality it's usually the mother who feels she can do it better than her husband can do it. That's just a fact, for whatever reasons they have.

Men over 40 have many more medical conditions that take them from the work place than women. I think men should not be in the work place after 40 because it is too much of a risk to my project. The reality is, men are not that effective as they get older and they need to go.

Actually that's false. Studies show men work more hours by a large margin.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there is no pay gap once you normalize for major, quality of school attended, and number of hours worked

+100

This. Needs. Repeating.

Not in my experience. it also depends on the size of the employer and their budget. My husband and I met in graduate school. We are in the same profession. We both work full time. I am paid less than he is, working for a small employer. Yes, I am looking for a new job, but when employers base their new salaries on salary history, I'll be at a disadvantage.

Those are all personal choices. You're choosing to work for a small employer. So there is no grand master plan to keep women's wages low. If there were, I'd hire only woman knowing Incould get away with paying them less.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:So, you are saying that you are not a father, or at least not acting like one?

Staunch believer here in equal pay for equal work. By the same token, someone should make the children/household needs their priority. I don't much care which parent does it, but in reality it's usually the mother who feels she can do it better than her husband can do it. That's just a fact, for whatever reasons they have.

Men over 40 have many more medical conditions that take them from the work place than women. I think men should not be in the work place after 40 because it is too much of a risk to my project. The reality is, men are not that effective as they get older and they need to go.

I use to work with a douche like OP.

I just schedule meetings really early Tuesday morning after Monday night football and in the afternoon of a really nice 68 degree day best if it lands on a Friday even better to mess with his golf outings.

When he got kidney stones .. no sympathy, you either work or take leave. When he returned, I asked how is vacation was... just like he did to women on maternity leave. He finally got the point.

Now he has a child with severe medical condition. Luckily he stopped being a douche after the kidney stone and was a great employee so now, he works from home any time he need to accommodate his child medical condition.

jsteele wrote:So, you are saying that you are not a father, or at least not acting like one?

Staunch believer here in equal pay for equal work. By the same token, someone should make the children/household needs their priority. I don't much care which parent does it, but in reality it's usually the mother who feels she can do it better than her husband can do it. That's just a fact, for whatever reasons they have.

Exactly this. Salary history creates a vicious cycle, particularly for women. Women are also at a disadvantage at the beginning of the cycle, as we are taught to take what's offered and not negotiate; negotiations themselves can be seen as a negative when coming from a woman. These are all things that need to change when talking about salaries.

taught?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there is no pay gap once you normalize for major, quality of school attended, and number of hours worked

+100

This. Needs. Repeating.

Not in my experience. it also depends on the size of the employer and their budget. My husband and I met in graduate school. We are in the same profession. We both work full time. I am paid less than he is, working for a small employer. Yes, I am looking for a new job, but when employers base their new salaries on salary history, I'll be at a disadvantage.

Yes, but your experience, or any individual experience for that matter, is anecdotal.

It really depends on your negotiating skills.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there is no pay gap once you normalize for major, quality of school attended, and number of hours worked

+100

This. Needs. Repeating.

Not in my experience. it also depends on the size of the employer and their budget. My husband and I met in graduate school. We are in the same profession. We both work full time. I am paid less than he is, working for a small employer. Yes, I am looking for a new job, but when employers base their new salaries on salary history, I'll be at a disadvantage.

Yes, but your experience, or any individual experience for that matter, is anecdotal.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there is no pay gap once you normalize for major, quality of school attended, and number of hours worked

+100

This. Needs. Repeating.

Also what needed repeating was the study.

http://www.aauw.org/files/2013/03/Graduating-to-a-Pay-Gap-The-Earnings-of-Women-and-Men-One-Year-after-College-Graduation-Executive-Summary-and-Recommendations.pdf

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there is no pay gap once you normalize for major, quality of school attended, and number of hours worked

+100

This. Needs. Repeating.

Not in my experience. it also depends on the size of the employer and their budget. My husband and I met in graduate school. We are in the same profession. We both work full time. I am paid less than he is, working for a small employer. Yes, I am looking for a new job, but when employers base their new salaries on salary history, I'll be at a disadvantage.

Exactly this. Salary history creates a vicious cycle, particularly for women. Women are also at a disadvantage at the beginning of the cycle, as we are taught to take what's offered and not negotiate; negotiations themselves can be seen as a negative when coming from a woman. These are all things that need to change when talking about salaries.

FWIW, my husband took paternal leave when DS was born, so I could go back to work before he did. His schedule (at the time) was more flexible than mine. Not all fathers share your perspective, OP.

Also, OP, if I read the thread correctly, it seems like you're a single man, who has no children. To counter your argument, single women without children should be on the same pay scale as you, right? They don't take first day of school pictures, nor do they have to stay home with their sick kids. But if they choose to have kids, that time off would come from their PTO, just like your time off if you had kids, needed to take care of a sick relative, had a doctor's appointment, wanted to go on vacation, etc.

Anonymous wrote:....would know that the correct statement is "Women who want equal pay."

Big, strong men like OP don't need to know singular vs plural. That kind of nonsense is for the lady folk to worry over.

I know why you're single, OP.

....would know that the correct statement is "Women who want equal pay."

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there is no pay gap once you normalize for major, quality of school attended, and number of hours worked

+100

This. Needs. Repeating.

Not in my experience. it also depends on the size of the employer and their budget. My husband and I met in graduate school. We are in the same profession. We both work full time. I am paid less than he is, working for a small employer. Yes, I am looking for a new job, but when employers base their new salaries on salary history, I'll be at a disadvantage.

Are you paid more because of your stellar grammar?