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Anonymous wrote:No, but. . .

He asked the pro-Christian President to step down, over the churches begging us not to get involved to avoid a genocide, applauded the "Arab Spring," called for democracy and freedom there, backed the Free Syria Army rebels, bombed the country, sent special forces in to take the government down, and now we blame ISIS and Al Nusra moving in and taking over on Bush.

Categorizing Assad as "pro-Christian" is questionable, and it is likely that had Assad stepped down, and a compromise been reached between the opposition and pro govt moderates, Syrian Christians would be far better off.

Churches have had different positions, I certainly don't think there is a unanimous church position on Syrian intervention.

Yes, the Arab Spring originally was driven in large part by liberals (small l) who really did want to move on to democratization. In Tunisia it has largely led to the results arab spring optimists expected. In Egypt and Bahrain, it meant a restoration of the status quo. In Yemen, Libya and Syria it led to civil war, though in Libya at least it seems very likely most people will end up much better off.

Yes, few US govts oppose democracy and freedom.

Our backing for the FSA has in fact been fairly limited.

Our bombing of Syria has been aimed at ISIS, not at the Syrian state. Similarly for our special forces.

While ISIS has been strong in Syria, they emerged out of AQ in Iraq, which developed as a result of the US invasion (and how the occupation was managed(.

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Anonymous wrote:By the way, Trump's line that Obama created ISIS exactly echoes a myth propagated by Russian state-controlled media and bloggers.

And they say the right are doomsday conspiracy theorists.

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Anonymous wrote:

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The turning point was the comment about the Muslim soldier killed in combat.
The tide has turned against Trump, and his comments are now dissected and criticized by Republicans and Democrats alike.
He is NOT going to win.

I agree. The parent's speech and his response is what will do him in. I can't see a way for him to win.

"BOOM"

That's one way I can see.

Jeff can delete all the threads and comments on his own forum, but the truth has a way of getting out there

"Boom"? Meaning what?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The turning point was the comment about the Muslim soldier killed in combat.
The tide has turned against Trump, and his comments are now dissected and criticized by Republicans and Democrats alike.
He is NOT going to win.

I agree. The parent's speech and his response is what will do him in. I can't see a way for him to win.

Anonymous wrote:By the way, Trump's line that Obama created ISIS exactly echoes a myth propagated by Russian state-controlled media and bloggers.

Anonymous wrote:Hugh Hewitt tried to give Trump an out this morning on the ISIS remark, but Trump doubled down instead:

HH: I’ve got two more questions. Last night, you said the President was the founder of ISIS. I know what you meant. You meant that he created the vacuum, he lost the peace.

DT: No, I meant he’s the founder of ISIS. I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton.

HH: But he’s not sympathetic to them. He hates them. He’s trying to kill them.

DT: I don’t care. He was the founder. His, the way he got out of Iraq was that that was the founding of ISIS, okay?

HH: Well, that, you know, I have a saying, Donald Trump, the pneumonic device I use is Every Liberal Really Seems So, So Sad. E is for Egypt, L is for Libya, S is for Syria, R is for Russia reset. They screwed everything up. You don’t get any argument from me. But by using the term founder, they’re hitting with you on this again. Mistake?

DT: No, it’s no mistake. Everyone’s liking it. I think they’re liking it. I give him the most valuable player award. And I give it to him, and I give it to, I gave the co-founder to Hillary. I don’t know if you heard that.

HH: I did. I did. I played it.

DT: I gave her the co-founder.

HH: I know what you’re arguing…

DT: You’re not, and let me ask you, do you not like that?

HH: I don’t. I think I would say they created, they lost the peace. They created the Libyan vacuum, they created the vacuum into which ISIS came, but they didn’t create ISIS. That’s what I would say.

DT: Well, I disagree.

He won't listen to people who are trying to help him. He's convinced he's right and he's going to do things his own way. I guess he's gotten this far on that plus the racism and fear of a segment of the population. He will say anything that plays to the crowd and take his cues from the mob.

I would like to know what it would take for his voters to renounce him? Not necessarily vote for Clinton, but at least decide not to vote for him. What principle could he threaten to destroy that would make people reconsider? He's already threatened the Constitution, the Statue of Liberty, and the safety of Hillary Clinton. Is there anything that he could threaten that would change things?

And why haven't Ryan or Prebius withdrawn their support? It's one thing for a crazy mob to support him, but quite another for the Republican Party to stand behind someone who encourages violence and distributes such insulting misinformation.

Anonymous wrote:Hugh Hewitt tried to give Trump an out this morning on the ISIS remark, but Trump doubled down instead:

HH: I’ve got two more questions. Last night, you said the President was the founder of ISIS. I know what you meant. You meant that he created the vacuum, he lost the peace.

DT: No, I meant he’s the founder of ISIS. I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton.

HH: But he’s not sympathetic to them. He hates them. He’s trying to kill them.

DT: I don’t care. He was the founder. His, the way he got out of Iraq was that that was the founding of ISIS, okay?

HH: Well, that, you know, I have a saying, Donald Trump, the pneumonic device I use is Every Liberal Really Seems So, So Sad. E is for Egypt, L is for Libya, S is for Syria, R is for Russia reset. They screwed everything up. You don’t get any argument from me. But by using the term founder, they’re hitting with you on this again. Mistake?

DT: No, it’s no mistake. Everyone’s liking it. I think they’re liking it. I give him the most valuable player award. And I give it to him, and I give it to, I gave the co-founder to Hillary. I don’t know if you heard that.

HH: I did. I did. I played it.

DT: I gave her the co-founder.

HH: I know what you’re arguing…

DT: You’re not, and let me ask you, do you not like that?

HH: I don’t. I think I would say they created, they lost the peace. They created the Libyan vacuum, they created the vacuum into which ISIS came, but they didn’t create ISIS. That’s what I would say.

DT: Well, I disagree.

He won't listen to people who are trying to help him. He's convinced he's right and he's going to do things his own way. I guess he's gotten this far on that plus the racism and fear of a segment of the population. He will say anything that plays to the crowd and take his cues from the mob.

I would like to know what it would take for his voters to renounce him? Not necessarily vote for Clinton, but at least decide not to vote for him. What principle could he threaten to destroy that would make people reconsider? He's already threatened the Constitution, the Statue of Liberty, and the safety of Hillary Clinton. Is there anything that he could threaten that would change things?

And why haven't Ryan or Prebius withdrawn their support? It's one thing for a crazy mob to support him, but quite another for the Republican Party to stand behind someone who encourages violence and distributes such insulting misinformation.

HH: I’ve got two more questions. Last night, you said the President was the founder of ISIS. I know what you meant. You meant that he created the vacuum, he lost the peace.

DT: No, I meant he’s the founder of ISIS. I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton.

HH: But he’s not sympathetic to them. He hates them. He’s trying to kill them.

DT: I don’t care. He was the founder. His, the way he got out of Iraq was that that was the founding of ISIS, okay?

HH: Well, that, you know, I have a saying, Donald Trump, the pneumonic device I use is Every Liberal Really Seems So, So Sad. E is for Egypt, L is for Libya, S is for Syria, R is for Russia reset. They screwed everything up. You don’t get any argument from me. But by using the term founder, they’re hitting with you on this again. Mistake?

DT: No, it’s no mistake. Everyone’s liking it. I think they’re liking it. I give him the most valuable player award. And I give it to him, and I give it to, I gave the co-founder to Hillary. I don’t know if you heard that.

HH: I did. I did. I played it.

DT: I gave her the co-founder.

HH: I know what you’re arguing…

DT: You’re not, and let me ask you, do you not like that?

HH: I don’t. I think I would say they created, they lost the peace. They created the Libyan vacuum, they created the vacuum into which ISIS came, but they didn’t create ISIS. That’s what I would say.

DT: Well, I disagree.

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Anonymous wrote:Says Donald Trump, as he continues to careen off his rocker. The crowd lapped it up. At least 45% of the country is going to vote for this man.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-president-barack-obama-founder-isis/story?id=41286869

In the last few presidential cycles, approximately 55-60% of eligible citizens have voted. Donald Trump is going to win fewer than half of them. So, **maybe** 25% of the country will vote for him. Let's not overestimate or overdramatize the amount of support he has.

And, yes, I basically think he's punking us at this point.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The turning point was the comment about the Muslim soldier killed in combat.
The tide has turned against Trump, and his comments are now dissected and criticized by Republicans and Democrats alike.
He is NOT going to win.

Is the talk about hidden Trump voters jumping out on Election Day credible? His supporters are very vocal and seem very angry.

Anonymous wrote:No, but. . .

He asked the pro-Christian President to step down, over the churches begging us not to get involved to avoid a genocide, applauded the "Arab Spring," called for democracy and freedom there, backed the Free Syria Army rebels, bombed the country, sent special forces in to take the government down, and now we blame ISIS and Al Nusra moving in and taking over on Bush.