Anonymous
07/29/2016 17:24
Subject: Assage will release more emails, what email could put hillary in jail or is that a fantasy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Didn't Assange say he was going to release more emails right before Clinton speaks at the DNC, for maximum effect? He hasn't done that yet, has he? Or was he just joking when he said that?
In 2010, Assange threatened to release dirt on Putin.
Putin threatened to release polonium in Assange.
Assange kept quiet and has gradually evolved into a stooge for Russia, even complaining that the Panama Papers were a dirty trick the West was releasing to embarrass Russia, even though the Panama Papers were pretty much the stock and trade of early Wikileaks.
As for the DNC mails, my understanding is that there was some Cyrilic metadata in some of the leaked documents indicating at least some documents were modified or at least opened up by Russian intelligence. When this was pointed out, subsequent leaks have lost the Cyrillic metadata. I suspect the general gist of the emails is true but a few of the truly repugnant emails were added by Russian intelligence for added effect, but have nothing to prove this.
I'd also suspect anything really really embarrassing stuff will get released the Thursday or maybe Friday before the election. Or, they'll just be at this level but designed to make some of those wavering between Stein and Clinton go towards Stein.
As I've asked on numerous other occasions, when has Wikileaks EVER embarrassed Putin/Russia? I mean, are the truly the most transparent country on the planet, in no need of the sunshine that Wikileaks provides?
I know the far-left "Bernie's too right wing" crowd still regards Wikileaks as some sort of guiding force bringing good to the world.
I'd like to think anyone to the right of Bernie would realize by now that Wikileaks is very selective in who they bring sunshine and transparency to.
The US wants to imprison Assange. Putin has coopted him.
Anonymous
07/29/2016 17:22
Subject: Re:Assage will release more emails, what email could put hillary in jail or is that a fantasy?
Anonymous wrote:Trump asked Putin to hack DNC. Basically it is treason and this clown should not be running for President.
How does he know Putin anyways? Maybe it is the Melania connection? She is from the Eastern Bloc, you know.
I wonder if that DNC staffer who was killed in DC was actually assassinated by the KGB on Putin's orders? FBI should look at it.
You're off the deep end. Please don't try to politicize a tragic and senseless murder.
Anonymous
07/29/2016 17:20
Subject: Assage will release more emails, what email could put hillary in jail or is that a fantasy?
The assumption that Hillary engaged in a criminal act or conspiracy really takes the cake. And of course, even if that was the case, there's little doubt Hillary would of as a matter of course have memorialized her illicit actions in an email. This is right-wing masturbation material. BENGGGHHHHHAAAAAZZZZZZZ IIIII!!!!!!
Anonymous
07/29/2016 14:17
Subject: Assage will release more emails, what email could put hillary in jail or is that a fantasy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing - the Russians are notorious for mixing in real emails and faked ones. This is a known thing. So, now that Trump has basically publicly pledged allegiance to United Russia, there's going to be no way of knowing what's real and what isn't.
+1
It's a bit odd that everyone is reading these Wikileaks emails as if they are all 100% undoctored. That seems unlikely, really.
Yeah right ... Wiki leaks have full time staff doctoring emails.
DWS should get her job back. They are all doctored.
Umm, no. The emails were provided to Wikileaks -- they could have been (and likely were, if they were provided by Russian intelligence) doctored prior to being handed to Wikileaks for publishing. The hacker who claims credit for providing the emails to Wikileaks is Guccifer 2, who may be Romanian or may be Russian intelligence.
Interesting theory.
If this is true, why have we not heard ANYONE from the DNC disavow the ones that have been published?
(Hint: Because they didn’t doctor them. They didn’t have to. They speak for themselves.)
Falling over ourselves in desperation, aren't we now?
Nope. I am actually just stating a fact. You like facts, don’t you?
The few remaining Bernie supporters have shown themselves to be totally rational, and what would look like a weak denial - which, several months later is what it would look like (do you remember every work email you send?) - would just make those same supporters completely hair tearing-out crazy. So what would be the point of denying, even if they are fake? Further splintering of the party? I guess you've never just fallen on your sword to get a problem over with faster.
Anonymous
07/29/2016 13:58
Subject: Re:Assage will release more emails, what email could put hillary in jail or is that a fantasy?
Anonymous wrote:Trump asked Putin to hack DNC. Basically it is treason and this clown should not be running for President.
How does he know Putin anyways? Maybe it is the Melania connection? She is from the Eastern Bloc, you know.
I wonder if that DNC staffer who was killed in DC was actually assassinated by the KGB on Putin's orders? FBI should look at it.
What if Melania is a sleeper agent!
Anonymous
07/29/2016 09:01
Subject: Re:Assage will release more emails, what email could put hillary in jail or is that a fantasy?
Anonymous wrote:Trump asked Putin to hack DNC. Basically it is treason and this clown should not be running for President.
How does he know Putin anyways? Maybe it is the Melania connection? She is from the Eastern Bloc, you know.
I wonder if that DNC staffer who was killed in DC was actually assassinated by the KGB on Putin's orders? FBI should look at it.
Yugoslavia wasn't really part of the Eastern Bloc, not the way the actual Warsaw Pact countries were. Hell, they were even in Eurovision from 1963 until the breakup.
Anonymous
07/29/2016 08:58
Subject: Assage will release more emails, what email could put hillary in jail or is that a fantasy?
Finally -- and this will apply to Trump too -- the case against a major-party Presidential candidate in the months before the election would have to be so fucking air tight that Houdini couldn't escape from it.
There'd have to be video evidence, more than ten witnesses, and possibly God Himself descending from Heaven before ANYONE would even think of arresting, much less launching a criminal case against Trump or Clinton at this point.
I suspect -- and I could be wrong -- that Clinton/Trump would step aside (or be made to step aside) for someone else, presumably/hopefully Sanders or Cruz/Kasich. But there'd be chaos as the campaign would just need to switch gears and the affected party would likely take a 5-10 point dip in the polls at least initially. (I don't know what would happen if the RNC/DNC tried to force their candidate out but the candidate refused.)
If there were an actual trial during the campaign season, the world would just fucking stop for a week or two. It'd be easily the biggest news story in the WORLD for WEEKS.
There'd have to be video evidence, more than ten witnesses, and possibly God Himself descending from Heaven before ANYONE would even think of arresting, much less launching a criminal case against Trump or Clinton at this point.
I suspect -- and I could be wrong -- that Clinton/Trump would step aside (or be made to step aside) for someone else, presumably/hopefully Sanders or Cruz/Kasich. But there'd be chaos as the campaign would just need to switch gears and the affected party would likely take a 5-10 point dip in the polls at least initially. (I don't know what would happen if the RNC/DNC tried to force their candidate out but the candidate refused.)
If there were an actual trial during the campaign season, the world would just fucking stop for a week or two. It'd be easily the biggest news story in the WORLD for WEEKS.
Anonymous
07/29/2016 08:46
Subject: Assage will release more emails, what email could put hillary in jail or is that a fantasy?
Anonymous wrote:Didn't Assange say he was going to release more emails right before Clinton speaks at the DNC, for maximum effect? He hasn't done that yet, has he? Or was he just joking when he said that?
In 2010, Assange threatened to release dirt on Putin.
Putin threatened to release polonium in Assange.
Assange kept quiet and has gradually evolved into a stooge for Russia, even complaining that the Panama Papers were a dirty trick the West was releasing to embarrass Russia, even though the Panama Papers were pretty much the stock and trade of early Wikileaks.
As for the DNC mails, my understanding is that there was some Cyrilic metadata in some of the leaked documents indicating at least some documents were modified or at least opened up by Russian intelligence. When this was pointed out, subsequent leaks have lost the Cyrillic metadata. I suspect the general gist of the emails is true but a few of the truly repugnant emails were added by Russian intelligence for added effect, but have nothing to prove this.
I'd also suspect anything really really embarrassing stuff will get released the Thursday or maybe Friday before the election. Or, they'll just be at this level but designed to make some of those wavering between Stein and Clinton go towards Stein.
As I've asked on numerous other occasions, when has Wikileaks EVER embarrassed Putin/Russia? I mean, are the truly the most transparent country on the planet, in no need of the sunshine that Wikileaks provides?
I know the far-left "Bernie's too right wing" crowd still regards Wikileaks as some sort of guiding force bringing good to the world.
I'd like to think anyone to the right of Bernie would realize by now that Wikileaks is very selective in who they bring sunshine and transparency to.
Anonymous
07/28/2016 22:02
Subject: Re:Assage will release more emails, what email could put hillary in jail or is that a fantasy?
Anonymous wrote:Trump asked Putin to hack DNC. Basically it is treason and this clown should not be running for President.
How does he know Putin anyways? Maybe it is the Melania connection? She is from the Eastern Bloc, you know.
I wonder if that DNC staffer who was killed in DC was actually assassinated by the KGB on Putin's orders? FBI should look at it.
Business. Trump has a lot of business with Russians. I'll leave you to speculate how above board all of that business is.
Anonymous
07/28/2016 21:58
Subject: Re:Assage will release more emails, what email could put hillary in jail or is that a fantasy?
Trump asked Putin to hack DNC. Basically it is treason and this clown should not be running for President.
How does he know Putin anyways? Maybe it is the Melania connection? She is from the Eastern Bloc, you know.
I wonder if that DNC staffer who was killed in DC was actually assassinated by the KGB on Putin's orders? FBI should look at it.
How does he know Putin anyways? Maybe it is the Melania connection? She is from the Eastern Bloc, you know.
I wonder if that DNC staffer who was killed in DC was actually assassinated by the KGB on Putin's orders? FBI should look at it.
Anonymous
07/28/2016 21:54
Subject: Assage will release more emails, what email could put hillary in jail or is that a fantasy?
Two of those voice mails were voice mails of two different ambassadors. One message was on DWS voicemail from an ambassador. Also, one message was a meal with Obama. Clearly pay for contact/meetings/favors. They didn't doctor the voice mails. I heard the ambassadors are livid.
Anonymous
07/28/2016 21:48
Subject: Assage will release more emails, what email could put hillary in jail or is that a fantasy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing - the Russians are notorious for mixing in real emails and faked ones. This is a known thing. So, now that Trump has basically publicly pledged allegiance to United Russia, there's going to be no way of knowing what's real and what isn't.
+1
It's a bit odd that everyone is reading these Wikileaks emails as if they are all 100% undoctored. That seems unlikely, really.
Perhaps the Hillary machine would be inspired to 'discover' her 'lost' emails if they would support her innocence?
Anonymous
07/28/2016 21:43
Subject: Assage will release more emails, what email could put hillary in jail or is that a fantasy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing - the Russians are notorious for mixing in real emails and faked ones. This is a known thing. So, now that Trump has basically publicly pledged allegiance to United Russia, there's going to be no way of knowing what's real and what isn't.
+1
It's a bit odd that everyone is reading these Wikileaks emails as if they are all 100% undoctored. That seems unlikely, really.
Yeah right ... Wiki leaks have full time staff doctoring emails.
DWS should get her job back. They are all doctored.
Umm, no. The emails were provided to Wikileaks -- they could have been (and likely were, if they were provided by Russian intelligence) doctored prior to being handed to Wikileaks for publishing. The hacker who claims credit for providing the emails to Wikileaks is Guccifer 2, who may be Romanian or may be Russian intelligence.
Interesting theory.
If this is true, why have we not heard ANYONE from the DNC disavow the ones that have been published?
(Hint: Because they didn’t doctor them. They didn’t have to. They speak for themselves.)
Falling over ourselves in desperation, aren't we now?
You can both actually be right.
No one at the DNC identified errors in the messages or claimed that they were doctored. The emails were sufficiently incriminating that DWS resigned, and others probably should, too.
However, because of the chain of custody issues, for the purposes of any criminal charges the emails would be inadmissible as evidence. Were they to indicate some kind of criminal activity, the subsequent investigation would have to develop independent evidence.