jsteele
Post 07/15/2016 18:03     Subject: Coup attempt in Turkey
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Such a dilemma. Erdogan was democratically elected. But his conservative religiousness (not just privately, but in his leadership) leaves a sour taste for many. A coup by the more secular military sounds good... but is it good for the idea of a democracy? They're deposing a democratically elected president.


Not just democratically-elected, but elected by a very large margin. In the last election, the AKP got nearly 50% of the vote versus 25% for the second place party. Erdogan himself got 51% vs. 38% for the runner up.



Was this election internationally monitored? Because Vladimir Putin and Alexander Lukashenko were also both "elected" president and we all know how much validity that has.


Let's just say that it was on par with the average US election in the state of Florida.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2016 18:02     Subject: Coup attempt in Turkey
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Such a dilemma. Erdogan was democratically elected. But his conservative religiousness (not just privately, but in his leadership) leaves a sour taste for many. A coup by the more secular military sounds good... but is it good for the idea of a democracy? They're deposing a democratically elected president.


Not just democratically-elected, but elected by a very large margin. In the last election, the AKP got nearly 50% of the vote versus 25% for the second place party. Erdogan himself got 51% vs. 38% for the runner up.



Was this election internationally monitored? Because Vladimir Putin and Alexander Lukashenko were also both "elected" president and we all know how much validity that has.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2016 17:55     Subject: Coup attempt in Turkey
For those interested, the BBC live feed is worth following on this subject.

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-36811357
jsteele
Post 07/15/2016 17:53     Subject: Coup attempt in Turkey
Anonymous wrote:Such a dilemma. Erdogan was democratically elected. But his conservative religiousness (not just privately, but in his leadership) leaves a sour taste for many. A coup by the more secular military sounds good... but is it good for the idea of a democracy? They're deposing a democratically elected president.


Not just democratically-elected, but elected by a very large margin. In the last election, the AKP got nearly 50% of the vote versus 25% for the second place party. Erdogan himself got 51% vs. 38% for the runner up.

Anonymous
Post 07/15/2016 17:53     Subject: Coup attempt in Turkey
Some reports that Erdogan is seeking asylum in Germany.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2016 17:48     Subject: Coup attempt in Turkey
Anonymous wrote:Erdogan is on live TV (via phone app) asking the public to take to the streets. The military has imposed a curfew and is asking everyone to stay off the streets.

Watching a coup in the time of Twitter.


He addressed the nation via face timing an iPhone Lol
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2016 17:40     Subject: Coup attempt in Turkey
Such a dilemma. Erdogan was democratically elected. But his conservative religiousness (not just privately, but in his leadership) leaves a sour taste for many. A coup by the more secular military sounds good... but is it good for the idea of a democracy? They're deposing a democratically elected president.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2016 17:37     Subject: Coup attempt in Turkey
Erdogan is on live TV (via phone app) asking the public to take to the streets. The military has imposed a curfew and is asking everyone to stay off the streets.

Watching a coup in the time of Twitter.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2016 17:31     Subject: Coup attempt in Turkey
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is the military pro-Isis or more against Isis?


The current (or deposed? arrested?) elected president, Erdogan, is conservative religious. I'd say that the military is more secular, and possibly more likely to take a much harder line against ISIS and their ilk. Hopefully...


ErdoGONE
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2016 17:30     Subject: Coup attempt in Turkey
Anonymous wrote:Is the military pro-Isis or more against Isis?


The current (or deposed? arrested?) elected president, Erdogan, is conservative religious. I'd say that the military is more secular, and possibly more likely to take a much harder line against ISIS and their ilk. Hopefully...
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2016 17:27     Subject: Coup attempt in Turkey
Anonymous wrote:Is the military pro-Isis or more against Isis?


Wednesday: Turkey announces plans to normalize relations with Syria
Thursday: Military coup

The Kurds are a huge problem for Turkey. It's possible that a coup would be good for the Kurds (in Turkey and Syria), but not likely.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2016 17:26     Subject: Coup attempt in Turkey
Anonymous wrote:Is the military pro-Isis or more against Isis?


Traditionally, the Turkish military is more secular and pro-democracy.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2016 17:23     Subject: Coup attempt in Turkey
Is the military pro-Isis or more against Isis?
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2016 17:10     Subject: Coup attempt in Turkey
I think I'm hoping that it either wholly succeeds or wholly fails. Someone has to be in control. Turkey cannot descend into chaos and conflict, not right now. Too much else is already going to shit.
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2016 17:08     Subject: Coup attempt in Turkey
Anonymous wrote:This is really interesting to see. I think I'm rooting for the military here, but it sounds like we don't know much yet.


But who does the military put in power?