Anonymous wrote:I assume you're weighing your options between AUSA and one of those medicaid fraud strike force positions that's kind of a hybrid fraud/USAO thing. I'd take AUSA in a heartbeat. Youll try more cases and get experience across a wide array of areas, instead of focusing on one particular fairly uninteresting crime. Those healthcare fraud gigs are the black sheep of the fraud section.

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Anonymous wrote:You must be talking about the DC USAO. It's the only one that has the 18-month initial rotation. Between that and Fraud, I'm not sure you're going to notice that much of a difference quality of life wise. Both carry long hours, and Fraud usually involves a lot of travel. You have found two government jobs that aren't really much better than BigLaw in terms of hours. The difference is that the work is one million times more interesting and engrossing than the typical BigLaw associate or junior partner's experience. I had the same choice as you a few year's back and chose the USAO over Fraud, but I have lots of friends who have done both and friends who are still at Fraud.

Hands down, you will get way, way more trial experience in any USAO than at Fraud, but it's not necessarily trial experience that will translate to exit opportunities. Tell me what you are you interested in doing after DOJ, and I can better advise on which job will position you better.

No, not DC. West coast. Was thinking of working long term and then to a judgeship, even if state. Thanks!

I understand if you don't want to be more specific about what office you're considering, but be wary of C.D. Cal. It does not have a good reputation, either as a place to work or a place with good AUSAs.

NP here -- any other intel on C.D. Cal. I'm not applying for a few yrs but have always considered taking a shot at the LA area. Is it a reputation problem re type of work? Or the work environment? Exit opportunities? Or something else altogether.

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Anonymous wrote:You must be talking about the DC USAO. It's the only one that has the 18-month initial rotation. Between that and Fraud, I'm not sure you're going to notice that much of a difference quality of life wise. Both carry long hours, and Fraud usually involves a lot of travel. You have found two government jobs that aren't really much better than BigLaw in terms of hours. The difference is that the work is one million times more interesting and engrossing than the typical BigLaw associate or junior partner's experience. I had the same choice as you a few year's back and chose the USAO over Fraud, but I have lots of friends who have done both and friends who are still at Fraud.

Hands down, you will get way, way more trial experience in any USAO than at Fraud, but it's not necessarily trial experience that will translate to exit opportunities. Tell me what you are you interested in doing after DOJ, and I can better advise on which job will position you better.

No, not DC. West coast. Was thinking of working long term and then to a judgeship, even if state. Thanks!

I understand if you don't want to be more specific about what office you're considering, but be wary of C.D. Cal. It does not have a good reputation, either as a place to work or a place with good AUSAs.

NP here -- any other intel on C.D. Cal. I'm not applying for a few yrs but have always considered taking a shot at the LA area. Is it a reputation problem re type of work? Or the work environment? Exit opportunities? Or something else altogether.

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Anonymous wrote:You must be talking about the DC USAO. It's the only one that has the 18-month initial rotation. Between that and Fraud, I'm not sure you're going to notice that much of a difference quality of life wise. Both carry long hours, and Fraud usually involves a lot of travel. You have found two government jobs that aren't really much better than BigLaw in terms of hours. The difference is that the work is one million times more interesting and engrossing than the typical BigLaw associate or junior partner's experience. I had the same choice as you a few year's back and chose the USAO over Fraud, but I have lots of friends who have done both and friends who are still at Fraud.

Hands down, you will get way, way more trial experience in any USAO than at Fraud, but it's not necessarily trial experience that will translate to exit opportunities. Tell me what you are you interested in doing after DOJ, and I can better advise on which job will position you better.

No, not DC. West coast. Was thinking of working long term and then to a judgeship, even if state. Thanks!

I understand if you don't want to be more specific about what office you're considering, but be wary of C.D. Cal. It does not have a good reputation, either as a place to work or a place with good AUSAs.

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Anonymous wrote:You must be talking about the DC USAO. It's the only one that has the 18-month initial rotation. Between that and Fraud, I'm not sure you're going to notice that much of a difference quality of life wise. Both carry long hours, and Fraud usually involves a lot of travel. You have found two government jobs that aren't really much better than BigLaw in terms of hours. The difference is that the work is one million times more interesting and engrossing than the typical BigLaw associate or junior partner's experience. I had the same choice as you a few year's back and chose the USAO over Fraud, but I have lots of friends who have done both and friends who are still at Fraud.

Hands down, you will get way, way more trial experience in any USAO than at Fraud, but it's not necessarily trial experience that will translate to exit opportunities. Tell me what you are you interested in doing after DOJ, and I can better advise on which job will position you better.

No, not DC. West coast. Was thinking of working long term and then to a judgeship, even if state. Thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:Main Justice goes to trial just not as often. They are civil litigators usually. AUSAs do the criminal work (again usually IME).

Everything - and I mean EVERYTHING - depends on your manager.

Antitrust Division is an exception to this. We have both civil AND criminal litigators

Not sure if other components at DOJ have criminal litigators. We may be unique. Our criminal attorneys don't see much courtroom action. Maybe once a year at best. They do a lot of investigative work.

I think most every division except for civil has criminal litigators (most of whom go to trial more often than antitrust folks, I suspect. . .).

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Anonymous wrote:You must be talking about the DC USAO. It's the only one that has the 18-month initial rotation. Between that and Fraud, I'm not sure you're going to notice that much of a difference quality of life wise. Both carry long hours, and Fraud usually involves a lot of travel. You have found two government jobs that aren't really much better than BigLaw in terms of hours. The difference is that the work is one million times more interesting and engrossing than the typical BigLaw associate or junior partner's experience. I had the same choice as you a few year's back and chose the USAO over Fraud, but I have lots of friends who have done both and friends who are still at Fraud.

Hands down, you will get way, way more trial experience in any USAO than at Fraud, but it's not necessarily trial experience that will translate to exit opportunities. Tell me what you are you interested in doing after DOJ, and I can better advise on which job will position you better.

No, not DC. West coast. Was thinking of working long term and then to a judgeship, even if state. Thanks!

Anonymous wrote:You must be talking about the DC USAO. It's the only one that has the 18-month initial rotation. Between that and Fraud, I'm not sure you're going to notice that much of a difference quality of life wise. Both carry long hours, and Fraud usually involves a lot of travel. You have found two government jobs that aren't really much better than BigLaw in terms of hours. The difference is that the work is one million times more interesting and engrossing than the typical BigLaw associate or junior partner's experience. I had the same choice as you a few year's back and chose the USAO over Fraud, but I have lots of friends who have done both and friends who are still at Fraud.

Hands down, you will get way, way more trial experience in any USAO than at Fraud, but it's not necessarily trial experience that will translate to exit opportunities. Tell me what you are you interested in doing after DOJ, and I can better advise on which job will position you better.