Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 10:43     Subject: What to do about sleepovers for bisexual/gay teens?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So my 14 year old recently came out as bisexual. I have that part under control - it really wasn't a big deal, we were able to tell her we love & accept her no matter what, etc. She also told us she was in a relationship with someone we previous thought was "just a friend." Again, not a big deal, we know & like the other girl, and they are both the right age for first "special friendships," whether with a male or female. The part I'm stumped on is how to handle sleepovers from here on out. Prior to this, she has both had sleepovers at other girls' homes and had girls over here, including with the "girlfriend." We supervise, are in and out of the rooms where they are, but are not in the room 100% of the time. I certainly wouldn't be letting a teenage girl have a sleepover with a boy, but how do I handle same-sex sleepovers when there is same sex attraction? For the short term, we have said she can still spend time with the "girlfriend," but no more sleepovers with her, but have still said yes to a sleepover with another girl. I don't want to put a blanket "no sleepovers" rule, but I am feeling conflicted now. What would you do?



No 14 year old has any idea whether they are gay or bisexual. While five years ago she would have been shunned and made fun of its now all the rage to pretend to be gay or bisexual. A 14 year old does not have a clue what they are unless they have had sex with a boy and another girl and I doubt that has happened.

It's high school drama and the less you talk about it the better that things will turn out.


Word ^^. It really is a trend these days. Dont pay too much attention to this nonsense.


Who are you people? Do you really live in the DC area? You freak me out.


I, for one, not only live "in the DC area," but I live right in the heart of so-called liberal NW DC and I send my kids to a so-called liberal private school. And absolutely, yes, it is a fad. Have you been in a middle school or high school lately? THAT is what should freak you out.

OP, you didn't ask for opinions on this, but since I'm posting I will add that if I were you, sleepovers would be the least of my concerns. I would be working to get my DD out of this madness ASAP.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 10:37     Subject: What to do about sleepovers for bisexual/gay teens?

Anonymous wrote:Don't pay any attention to this bisexual nonsense from a high school girl. It's the latest cool phase to go through these days.
yes I notice this too in my 7th graders friend group.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 10:36     Subject: What to do about sleepovers for bisexual/gay teens?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So my 14 year old recently came out as bisexual. I have that part under control - it really wasn't a big deal, we were able to tell her we love & accept her no matter what, etc. She also told us she was in a relationship with someone we previous thought was "just a friend." Again, not a big deal, we know & like the other girl, and they are both the right age for first "special friendships," whether with a male or female. The part I'm stumped on is how to handle sleepovers from here on out. Prior to this, she has both had sleepovers at other girls' homes and had girls over here, including with the "girlfriend." We supervise, are in and out of the rooms where they are, but are not in the room 100% of the time. I certainly wouldn't be letting a teenage girl have a sleepover with a boy, but how do I handle same-sex sleepovers when there is same sex attraction? For the short term, we have said she can still spend time with the "girlfriend," but no more sleepovers with her, but have still said yes to a sleepover with another girl. I don't want to put a blanket "no sleepovers" rule, but I am feeling conflicted now. What would you do?



No 14 year old has any idea whether they are gay or bisexual. While five years ago she would have been shunned and made fun of its now all the rage to pretend to be gay or bisexual. A 14 year old does not have a clue what they are unless they have had sex with a boy and another girl and I doubt that has happened.

It's high school drama and the less you talk about it the better that things will turn out.


Word ^^. It really is a trend these days. Dont pay too much attention to this nonsense.


Who are you people? Do you really live in the DC area? You freak me out.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 10:34     Subject: What to do about sleepovers for bisexual/gay teens?

Anonymous wrote:No sleepovers with anyone you are in a romantic relationship with or have romantic feelings towards.

That's my rule.


No sleepovers with same sex friends if you are gay or bisexual. You wouldn't allow a male friend to sleep over for a straight girl. Same thing.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 10:32     Subject: Re:What to do about sleepovers for bisexual/gay teens?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
No 14 year old has any idea whether they are gay or bisexual. While five years ago she would have been shunned and made fun of its now all the rage to pretend to be gay or bisexual. A 14 year old does not have a clue what they are unless they have had sex with a boy and another girl and I doubt that has happened.

It's high school drama and the less you talk about it the better that things will turn out.


I don't know where you are from, but it was cool to be gay or bi when I was in high school 20 years ago.

I graduated from high school in 1997 with quite a few classmates who were out. I went to art school; it wasn't a big deal at. all. My junior prom date was gay, as were a number of my friends.

DH grew up in a very different area and social situation than I did, and only a year behind me in school. He didn't know any kids who were gay, and some of his friends would make fun of anyone they thought might be gay. DH says he didn't participate in the teasing, and I believe him--mostly. DH went to theatre camp and participated in plays, along with some of his other friends, so they were more accepting of people who were different from them. He grew up using "gay" as a synonym of "stupid"; I did not. (FWIW, one of his sisters is gay, and the other was recently in a long-term same-sex relationship.)

By the time I was a junior in college in 1999, it was "cool" for girls to smooch, though none of us called it "bisexual."

Not all of us grew up the same way, and perhaps PP is from a different region, with different social values. In any case, it's great that kids are feeling more free to come out an be who they are now.

BTW, in case it wasn't clear, I should mention that I wasn't the first-quoted PP.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 10:32     Subject: Re:What to do about sleepovers for bisexual/gay teens?

Anonymous wrote:
No 14 year old has any idea whether they are gay or bisexual. While five years ago she would have been shunned and made fun of its now all the rage to pretend to be gay or bisexual. A 14 year old does not have a clue what they are unless they have had sex with a boy and another girl and I doubt that has happened.

It's high school drama and the less you talk about it the better that things will turn out.


I don't know where you are from, but it was cool to be gay or bi when I was in high school 20 years ago.

I graduated from high school in 1997 with quite a few classmates who were out. I went to art school; it wasn't a big deal at. all. My junior prom date was gay, as were a number of my friends.

DH grew up in a very different area and social situation than I did, and only a year behind me in school. He didn't know any kids who were gay, and some of his friends would make fun of anyone they thought might be gay. DH says he didn't participate in the teasing, and I believe him--mostly. DH went to theatre camp and participated in plays, along with some of his other friends, so they were more accepting of people who were different from them. He grew up using "gay" as a synonym of "stupid"; I did not. (FWIW, one of his sisters is gay, and the other was recently in a long-term same-sex relationship.)

By the time I was a junior in college in 1999, it was "cool" for girls to smooch, though none of us called it "bisexual."

Not all of us grew up the same way, and perhaps PP is from a different region, with different social values. In any case, it's great that kids are feeling more free to come out an be who they are now.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 10:24     Subject: Re:What to do about sleepovers for bisexual/gay teens?

No 14 year old has any idea whether they are gay or bisexual. While five years ago she would have been shunned and made fun of its now all the rage to pretend to be gay or bisexual. A 14 year old does not have a clue what they are unless they have had sex with a boy and another girl and I doubt that has happened.

It's high school drama and the less you talk about it the better that things will turn out.


I don't know where you are from, but it was cool to be gay or bi when I was in high school 20 years ago.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 10:22     Subject: What to do about sleepovers for bisexual/gay teens?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So my 14 year old recently came out as bisexual. I have that part under control - it really wasn't a big deal, we were able to tell her we love & accept her no matter what, etc. She also told us she was in a relationship with someone we previous thought was "just a friend." Again, not a big deal, we know & like the other girl, and they are both the right age for first "special friendships," whether with a male or female. The part I'm stumped on is how to handle sleepovers from here on out. Prior to this, she has both had sleepovers at other girls' homes and had girls over here, including with the "girlfriend." We supervise, are in and out of the rooms where they are, but are not in the room 100% of the time. I certainly wouldn't be letting a teenage girl have a sleepover with a boy, but how do I handle same-sex sleepovers when there is same sex attraction? For the short term, we have said she can still spend time with the "girlfriend," but no more sleepovers with her, but have still said yes to a sleepover with another girl. I don't want to put a blanket "no sleepovers" rule, but I am feeling conflicted now. What would you do?



No 14 year old has any idea whether they are gay or bisexual. While five years ago she would have been shunned and made fun of its now all the rage to pretend to be gay or bisexual. A 14 year old does not have a clue what they are unless they have had sex with a boy and another girl and I doubt that has happened.

It's high school drama and the less you talk about it the better that things will turn out.

Did you know your sexual identity before you had sex? I sure did. I knew I was straight when I had my first crush at 7 years old. I didn't have sex until I was 20. Sexuality and attraction can be fluid, and this girl may end up gay, straight, or somewhere in between, but don't diminish her experience with "it's just a fad & she won't know until she's older."


So she may likely totally change her mind, but don't diminish her experience as just a fad? Huh?

There's a difference between changing one's mind and sexuality being fluid. (And I didn't at all say that it was likely it would happen. Just that she may end up gay, straight, or somewhere in between.) This is rarely a matter of choice or decision, though who a person ends up with--not their gender, but who they are--is a choice. Example: some of my bi friends are married to men. They've made the choice to marry that man, not to be straight.

A "fad" means going along with something because "everyone else is doing it." Calling her coming out as bisexual a fad is diminishing her experience.


Nobody said anything about telling the child that it was a fad. Three parents upthread told another parent that this bi trend existed in HS these days.

Right. And dismissing the "bi trend" as a "fad" (whether it's to the kid or not) is insulting to bi individuals. Suggesting "the less you talk about it, the better it will turn out" closes a door of communication between this child and her parents.

PP. I'll add that one of the reasons more and more kids are coming out as gay or bi is not because it's a fad, but because we have more understanding of gender and sexuality now than ever before. "While five years ago she would have been shunned," now she has open communication with her parents, an ability to understand feelings she might have been ashamed of before, and an opportunity to grow up proud of--rather than ashamed of--who she is. And many of us think that's wonderful.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 10:20     Subject: What to do about sleepovers for bisexual/gay teens?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So my 14 year old recently came out as bisexual. I have that part under control - it really wasn't a big deal, we were able to tell her we love & accept her no matter what, etc. She also told us she was in a relationship with someone we previous thought was "just a friend." Again, not a big deal, we know & like the other girl, and they are both the right age for first "special friendships," whether with a male or female. The part I'm stumped on is how to handle sleepovers from here on out. Prior to this, she has both had sleepovers at other girls' homes and had girls over here, including with the "girlfriend." We supervise, are in and out of the rooms where they are, but are not in the room 100% of the time. I certainly wouldn't be letting a teenage girl have a sleepover with a boy, but how do I handle same-sex sleepovers when there is same sex attraction? For the short term, we have said she can still spend time with the "girlfriend," but no more sleepovers with her, but have still said yes to a sleepover with another girl. I don't want to put a blanket "no sleepovers" rule, but I am feeling conflicted now. What would you do?



No 14 year old has any idea whether they are gay or bisexual. While five years ago she would have been shunned and made fun of its now all the rage to pretend to be gay or bisexual. A 14 year old does not have a clue what they are unless they have had sex with a boy and another girl and I doubt that has happened.

It's high school drama and the less you talk about it the better that things will turn out.

Did you know your sexual identity before you had sex? I sure did. I knew I was straight when I had my first crush at 7 years old. I didn't have sex until I was 20. Sexuality and attraction can be fluid, and this girl may end up gay, straight, or somewhere in between, but don't diminish her experience with "it's just a fad & she won't know until she's older."


So she may likely totally change her mind, but don't diminish her experience as just a fad? Huh?

There's a difference between changing one's mind and sexuality being fluid. (And I didn't at all say that it was likely it would happen. Just that she may end up gay, straight, or somewhere in between.) This is rarely a matter of choice or decision, though who a person ends up with--not their gender, but who they are--is a choice. Example: some of my bi friends are married to men. They've made the choice to marry that man, not to be straight.

A "fad" means going along with something because "everyone else is doing it." Calling her coming out as bisexual a fad is diminishing her experience.


Nobody said anything about telling the child that it was a fad. Three parents upthread told another parent that this bi trend existed in HS these days.

Right. And dismissing the "bi trend" as a "fad" (whether it's to the kid or not) is insulting to bi individuals. Suggesting "the less you talk about it, the better it will turn out" closes a door of communication between this child and her parents.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 10:15     Subject: What to do about sleepovers for bisexual/gay teens?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So my 14 year old recently came out as bisexual. I have that part under control - it really wasn't a big deal, we were able to tell her we love & accept her no matter what, etc. She also told us she was in a relationship with someone we previous thought was "just a friend." Again, not a big deal, we know & like the other girl, and they are both the right age for first "special friendships," whether with a male or female. The part I'm stumped on is how to handle sleepovers from here on out. Prior to this, she has both had sleepovers at other girls' homes and had girls over here, including with the "girlfriend." We supervise, are in and out of the rooms where they are, but are not in the room 100% of the time. I certainly wouldn't be letting a teenage girl have a sleepover with a boy, but how do I handle same-sex sleepovers when there is same sex attraction? For the short term, we have said she can still spend time with the "girlfriend," but no more sleepovers with her, but have still said yes to a sleepover with another girl. I don't want to put a blanket "no sleepovers" rule, but I am feeling conflicted now. What would you do?



No 14 year old has any idea whether they are gay or bisexual. While five years ago she would have been shunned and made fun of its now all the rage to pretend to be gay or bisexual. A 14 year old does not have a clue what they are unless they have had sex with a boy and another girl and I doubt that has happened.

It's high school drama and the less you talk about it the better that things will turn out.


This is so untrue. Did you know you were straight at 14? Or at least not attracted to the same sex? Did you have sex at 14 and then know you were straight? You don't have to have sex (at 14 and other ages) to know who you are attracted to.

And of course NOT talking about it will make it all better. Are you actually serious? If your kid thinks he or she is bi or gay and he or she comes to you to talk about it, are you just going to change the subject? If your straight kid comes to talk about sex at 14 (and other ages), are you going to shut that down as well?

Although, given your opinions on how one knows if he or she is straight/bi/gay/trans, it seems like you would be pretty unapproachable to your kids because you've already made up your mind.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 10:10     Subject: What to do about sleepovers for bisexual/gay teens?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So my 14 year old recently came out as bisexual. I have that part under control - it really wasn't a big deal, we were able to tell her we love & accept her no matter what, etc. She also told us she was in a relationship with someone we previous thought was "just a friend." Again, not a big deal, we know & like the other girl, and they are both the right age for first "special friendships," whether with a male or female. The part I'm stumped on is how to handle sleepovers from here on out. Prior to this, she has both had sleepovers at other girls' homes and had girls over here, including with the "girlfriend." We supervise, are in and out of the rooms where they are, but are not in the room 100% of the time. I certainly wouldn't be letting a teenage girl have a sleepover with a boy, but how do I handle same-sex sleepovers when there is same sex attraction? For the short term, we have said she can still spend time with the "girlfriend," but no more sleepovers with her, but have still said yes to a sleepover with another girl. I don't want to put a blanket "no sleepovers" rule, but I am feeling conflicted now. What would you do?



No 14 year old has any idea whether they are gay or bisexual. While five years ago she would have been shunned and made fun of its now all the rage to pretend to be gay or bisexual. A 14 year old does not have a clue what they are unless they have had sex with a boy and another girl and I doubt that has happened.

It's high school drama and the less you talk about it the better that things will turn out.


+1,000

OP, if you are asking me, a mom to a teen girl about your DD's age if I would let her attend a sleepover at your house, the answer is a resounding no. But not because of your DD -- it's because of your parenting values. Frankly, I feel sorry for your DD and would wish that we could help in some way by being her friend, but if this is your attitude about teen sexuality, then it would be a no-go from our perspective.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 10:10     Subject: What to do about sleepovers for bisexual/gay teens?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So my 14 year old recently came out as bisexual. I have that part under control - it really wasn't a big deal, we were able to tell her we love & accept her no matter what, etc. She also told us she was in a relationship with someone we previous thought was "just a friend." Again, not a big deal, we know & like the other girl, and they are both the right age for first "special friendships," whether with a male or female. The part I'm stumped on is how to handle sleepovers from here on out. Prior to this, she has both had sleepovers at other girls' homes and had girls over here, including with the "girlfriend." We supervise, are in and out of the rooms where they are, but are not in the room 100% of the time. I certainly wouldn't be letting a teenage girl have a sleepover with a boy, but how do I handle same-sex sleepovers when there is same sex attraction? For the short term, we have said she can still spend time with the "girlfriend," but no more sleepovers with her, but have still said yes to a sleepover with another girl. I don't want to put a blanket "no sleepovers" rule, but I am feeling conflicted now. What would you do?



No 14 year old has any idea whether they are gay or bisexual. While five years ago she would have been shunned and made fun of its now all the rage to pretend to be gay or bisexual. A 14 year old does not have a clue what they are unless they have had sex with a boy and another girl and I doubt that has happened.

It's high school drama and the less you talk about it the better that things will turn out.

Did you know your sexual identity before you had sex? I sure did. I knew I was straight when I had my first crush at 7 years old. I didn't have sex until I was 20. Sexuality and attraction can be fluid, and this girl may end up gay, straight, or somewhere in between, but don't diminish her experience with "it's just a fad & she won't know until she's older."


So she may likely totally change her mind, but don't diminish her experience as just a fad? Huh?

There's a difference between changing one's mind and sexuality being fluid. (And I didn't at all say that it was likely it would happen. Just that she may end up gay, straight, or somewhere in between.) This is rarely a matter of choice or decision, though who a person ends up with--not their gender, but who they are--is a choice. Example: some of my bi friends are married to men. They've made the choice to marry that man, not to be straight.

A "fad" means going along with something because "everyone else is doing it." Calling her coming out as bisexual a fad is diminishing her experience.


Nobody said anything about telling the child that it was a fad. Three parents upthread told another parent that this bi trend existed in HS these days.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 09:57     Subject: What to do about sleepovers for bisexual/gay teens?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So my 14 year old recently came out as bisexual. I have that part under control - it really wasn't a big deal, we were able to tell her we love & accept her no matter what, etc. She also told us she was in a relationship with someone we previous thought was "just a friend." Again, not a big deal, we know & like the other girl, and they are both the right age for first "special friendships," whether with a male or female. The part I'm stumped on is how to handle sleepovers from here on out. Prior to this, she has both had sleepovers at other girls' homes and had girls over here, including with the "girlfriend." We supervise, are in and out of the rooms where they are, but are not in the room 100% of the time. I certainly wouldn't be letting a teenage girl have a sleepover with a boy, but how do I handle same-sex sleepovers when there is same sex attraction? For the short term, we have said she can still spend time with the "girlfriend," but no more sleepovers with her, but have still said yes to a sleepover with another girl. I don't want to put a blanket "no sleepovers" rule, but I am feeling conflicted now. What would you do?



No 14 year old has any idea whether they are gay or bisexual. While five years ago she would have been shunned and made fun of its now all the rage to pretend to be gay or bisexual. A 14 year old does not have a clue what they are unless they have had sex with a boy and another girl and I doubt that has happened.

It's high school drama and the less you talk about it the better that things will turn out.

Did you know your sexual identity before you had sex? I sure did. I knew I was straight when I had my first crush at 7 years old. I didn't have sex until I was 20. Sexuality and attraction can be fluid, and this girl may end up gay, straight, or somewhere in between, but don't diminish her experience with "it's just a fad & she won't know until she's older."


So she may likely totally change her mind, but don't diminish her experience as just a fad? Huh?

There's a difference between changing one's mind and sexuality being fluid. (And I didn't at all say that it was likely it would happen. Just that she may end up gay, straight, or somewhere in between.) This is rarely a matter of choice or decision, though who a person ends up with--not their gender, but who they are--is a choice. Example: some of my bi friends are married to men. They've made the choice to marry that man, not to be straight.

A "fad" means going along with something because "everyone else is doing it." Calling her coming out as bisexual a fad is diminishing her experience.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 09:31     Subject: What to do about sleepovers for bisexual/gay teens?

Anonymous wrote:I am bi and once had a girlfriend (romantic) sleep over. Though it was covert my parents sniffed it out and she was no longer allowed to sleep over.

That said, I had plenty of platonic friends who slept over a ton. If you trust your child to be forthright, state your expectation that you don't want their romantic interests sleeping over.


I agree.

It sounds like you have an open honest relationship. If she told you about her romantic interest in a respectful open way (i.e., not trying to get a rise out of you or push boundaries) then I'd treat her the same way back and just say that as her parent you want her to foster friendships but aren't comfortable with romantic sleepovers. So she needs to be honest with you. (She may not be and that's probably okay so long as she does a good job making it appear she is listening.)
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2016 09:19     Subject: What to do about sleepovers for bisexual/gay teens?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So my 14 year old recently came out as bisexual. I have that part under control - it really wasn't a big deal, we were able to tell her we love & accept her no matter what, etc. She also told us she was in a relationship with someone we previous thought was "just a friend." Again, not a big deal, we know & like the other girl, and they are both the right age for first "special friendships," whether with a male or female. The part I'm stumped on is how to handle sleepovers from here on out. Prior to this, she has both had sleepovers at other girls' homes and had girls over here, including with the "girlfriend." We supervise, are in and out of the rooms where they are, but are not in the room 100% of the time. I certainly wouldn't be letting a teenage girl have a sleepover with a boy, but how do I handle same-sex sleepovers when there is same sex attraction? For the short term, we have said she can still spend time with the "girlfriend," but no more sleepovers with her, but have still said yes to a sleepover with another girl. I don't want to put a blanket "no sleepovers" rule, but I am feeling conflicted now. What would you do?



No 14 year old has any idea whether they are gay or bisexual. While five years ago she would have been shunned and made fun of its now all the rage to pretend to be gay or bisexual. A 14 year old does not have a clue what they are unless they have had sex with a boy and another girl and I doubt that has happened.

It's high school drama and the less you talk about it the better that things will turn out.

Did you know your sexual identity before you had sex? I sure did. I knew I was straight when I had my first crush at 7 years old. I didn't have sex until I was 20. Sexuality and attraction can be fluid, and this girl may end up gay, straight, or somewhere in between, but don't diminish her experience with "it's just a fad & she won't know until she's older."


So she may likely totally change her mind, but don't diminish her experience as just a fad? Huh?