Anonymous
06/05/2016 22:57
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
She got blackout drunk. She probably left the party with him, but at least not with her sister. What did she say while she was blackout drunk?
Anonymous
06/05/2016 22:53
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:The guy and the girl were both drunk off their asses. I feel sorry for both of them that they made such bad decisions.
Nice false equivalence there. You should really read the victim's impact statement.
"Alcohol is not an excuse. Is it a factor? Yes. But alcohol was not the one who stripped me, fingered me, had my head dragging against the ground, with me almost fully naked. Having too much to drink was an amateur mistake that I admit to, but it is not criminal. Everyone in this room has had a night where they have regretted drinking too much, or knows someone close to them who has had a night where they have regretted drinking too much. Regretting drinking is not the same as regretting sexual assault. We were both drunk, the difference is I did not take off your pants and underwear, touch you inappropriately, and run away. That’s the difference."
Anonymous
06/05/2016 22:52
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:The guy and the girl were both drunk off their asses. I feel sorry for both of them that they made such bad decisions.
Yes, but he committed a felony. Against another human being. She did not.
Anonymous
06/05/2016 22:51
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:The guy and the girl were both drunk off their asses. I feel sorry for both of them that they made such bad decisions.
The decision to get drunk is nowhere near the magnitude of the decision to rape someone. Many, MANY men get drunk and do not rape anyone.
Anonymous
06/05/2016 22:44
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
The guy and the girl were both drunk off their asses. I feel sorry for both of them that they made such bad decisions.
Anonymous
06/05/2016 22:34
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, he's a dirtbag, but so is the judge who decided a long prison sentence would have too severe an impact on him. Severe impact is exactly what this guy needs, not just a quick time out.
+1
Exactly!
I agree both that the dude is a dirt bag and that he deserved a longer sentence. I do have some concern when sentences like these are criticized on the grounds of racial and wealth disparity. If the problem is that judges can't adequately empathize with disadvantaged groups, then the issue is that the disadvantaged groups are getting sentences that are too harsh, not that privileged white people are getting sentences that are too lenient. Its less of an issue here because the sentence was too lenient regardless of the defendant's background.
That doesn't make sense. It isn't either/or. Disadvantaged people get sentences that are too harsh AND rich white people get sentences that are too lenient.
You're correct that it could cut both ways, but I think the notion of excessive empathy is a strange one. To me, the primary problem is that judges and juries have a difficult time empathizing with people who are different from them and people who are historically oppressed. This would primarily be manifest in excessive sentences for disadvantaged groups, not excessively lenient sentences for non-disadvantaged groups. This obviously gets more complicated here, because, as in most sexual assault cases, the victim is a member of a historically disadvantaged group, so you can have appropriate empathy for the convicted not counterbalanced with appropriate empathy for the victim.
Anonymous
06/05/2016 22:26
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, he's a dirtbag, but so is the judge who decided a long prison sentence would have too severe an impact on him. Severe impact is exactly what this guy needs, not just a quick time out.
+1
Exactly!
I agree both that the dude is a dirt bag and that he deserved a longer sentence. I do have some concern when sentences like these are criticized on the grounds of racial and wealth disparity. If the problem is that judges can't adequately empathize with disadvantaged groups, then the issue is that the disadvantaged groups are getting sentences that are too harsh, not that privileged white people are getting sentences that are too lenient. Its less of an issue here because the sentence was too lenient regardless of the defendant's background.
Your mental gymnastics have yielded one of the dumbest arguments I think anyone will come up with in this thread. People like you and your myopic view of this country is exactly what's wrong . It's been well documented and the research is there to prove that African Americans and poorer minorities are given harsher sentences for the same crimes committed by Caucasians , irrespective of the Caucasians socio economic status . This is the legacy of slavery, white supremacy , segregation and the ensuing institutionalized racism that denied African Americans basic dignity and rights and promoted the image of the violent , never do well and perpetually up to no go good people . Add to that , centuries of non stop depiction of these racist images and stereotypes fed by white patents to their kids , who go on to become prosecutors , judges, teachers , bankers .......you get the drift .
So, unless you've spent your whole life living in a cave , I suggest you start by learning this country's history again as opposed to making an ass of yourself . The above paragraph was meant to put aside that lie that you're trying to spread that race and background had nothing to do with the verdict . You can't prove , or provide statistics showing me that , if that monster had been African American , Latino or Muslim this travesty of a judge would've gone out of his way to render such a mockery of a verdict . Here's a guy who was found guilty on all three counts , but yet in his verdict the judge seemed to be more concerned about his well being than the woman whose life he destroyed . So if it isn't race and background which is it? I look forward to apologists pulling some obscure case with statistical insignificance to make themselves relevant . The sentence would never have been this lenient if that rapist wasn't as pale faced as the judge . There's enough paper trail to prove . In fact, I suspect that you know this all too well, but assholes like you have vested interests in pretending that institutional racism ( this case illustrates that perfectly ) doesn't exist . After all, this country was never set up for anyone other than Caucasian males to succeed . This middle aged lake faced Caucasian make is honest to recognize it.
You have poor reading comprehension and are ranting about an argument that nobody made. The post you are yelling at didn't claim there isn't disparate sentencing, it said that the issue isn't that white people get excessively lenient sentences, it is that minorities get excessively harsh sentences.
Anonymous
06/05/2016 22:11
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/06/04/you-took-away-my-worth-a-rape-victim-delivers-powerful-message-to-a-former-stanford-swimmer/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_1_na
And this Emily Doe, whoever she is, is a fierce writer.
What screw is loose in some people's brains that they think they can rape a drunk girl? I wish we knew the two grad students' names, but I can't bear to read another article about this.
Agree completely, esp about her being a fierce writer. Really powerful stuff.
Anonymous
06/05/2016 21:53
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:I reeeeeally hope the sex registry will make up for the lack of jail time.
This fucker should continue to pay for this for a long time.
His name is all over the internet, as is his picture. Any future employer, landlord, girlfriend, friend who googles him...
Anonymous
06/05/2016 21:53
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
I reeeeeally hope the sex registry will make up for the lack of jail time.
This fucker should continue to pay for this for a long time.
This fucker should continue to pay for this for a long time.
Anonymous
06/05/2016 21:40
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Yeah, I saw that.With parents like that, is it any wonder he doesn't think he did anything wrong? Dad also points out the rape wasn't violent, like that makes it ok (... She was unconscious ...)
Wow. The dad is in complete denial about what happened.
I am completely aghast at this public reaction from the dad. If, God forbid, I was responsible for raising a person who did something like this to another innocent person, I don't think I could get my head out from under the covers. The last thing I would be doing is making excuses for him on social media for everyone to see. Where is the shame?
Anonymous
06/05/2016 21:37
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Yeah, I saw that.
Wow. The dad is in complete denial about what happened.
He should have pled and settled, not taken it to trial. I wonder if his parents pushed for that. And appealing? If that's not 100% his parents, he's an unremorseful criminal. But it might be entirely his parents who have dragged all of this on and on.
Anonymous
06/05/2016 21:35
Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Yeah, I saw that.
Wow. The dad is in complete denial about what happened.
Anonymous
06/05/2016 21:35
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Holy. Shit.
https://mobile.twitter.com/laurenduca/status/739505679635992577
Yeah, I saw that. With parents like that, is it any wonder he doesn't think he did anything wrong? Dad also points out the rape wasn't violent, like that makes it ok (... She was unconscious ...)
That's sort of how being convicted of crime works, Dad. It's usually a bummer. (Not nearly as much of a bummer as it is for, say, the VICTIM. I doubt she's as happy as she was before either.)
There's no promiscuity anywhere in the picture here. Rape is rape. Not "action." Rape.
Anonymous
06/05/2016 21:31
Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Could someone who is familiar with sentencing explain to me the process? Is a probation officer interview of the victim normal, if so how can the one in this case have been deemed acceptable, and is this interview the judge's primary deciding factor for sentencing? Either I'm missing something, or this went terribly wrong. Once a sentence is decided, can it be changed?
It varies by state. I'm not familiar with California's process, but based on the federal process, a probation office interview of the victim is not unusual. Typically it would be optional for the victim; the victim can decline.
I don't know the facts of the case or what happened in this interview. But the probation/presentence report process exists to inform the judge; it does not bind the judge. The problem here sounds like the judge, not the process.
In the federal system, once sentence is pronounced, it cannot be changed, unless appealed and overturned (or commuted by the executive). Again, I don't know about California. Some states have processes whereby a sentence can be reduced by the judge after imposition. I highly doubt any state has a process whereby it can be increased. (I have doubts whether that would be constitutional.)