Anonymous
05/28/2016 23:52
Subject: Re:Egypt: Muslim Mob Attacks Christians, Parade Naked Woman
Old man attacks Muslims, parades half naked women around.
Anonymous
05/27/2016 23:47
Subject: Egypt: Muslim Mob Attacks Christians, Parade Naked Woman
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The genocide of Christians and other non-islam religions in the middle east in tye past few years is horrific. Even sadder is our government turning a blind eye to what is happening over ther to religious minorities.
Shame, shame, shame Mr. Obama.
This stuff was going on long before Obama.
Anonymous
05/27/2016 23:00
Subject: Egypt: Muslim Mob Attacks Christians, Parade Naked Woman
Anonymous wrote:The genocide of Christians and other non-islam religions in the middle east in tye past few years is horrific. Even sadder is our government turning a blind eye to what is happening over ther to religious minorities.
Shame, shame, shame Mr. Obama.
Anonymous
05/27/2016 22:42
Subject: Egypt: Muslim Mob Attacks Christians, Parade Naked Woman
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The genocide of Christians and other non-islam religions in the middle east in tye past few years is horrific. Even sadder is our government turning a blind eye to what is happening over ther to religious minorities.
Beyond wagging a finger, I don't think there is much we can or should do. Stopping aid or sanctions doesn't seem helpful. What do you suggest?
Specifically take in Christian refuges from the middle east like we did with the muslim Bosnians when they were being persecuted.
Anonymous
05/27/2016 14:37
Subject: Egypt: Muslim Mob Attacks Christians, Parade Naked Woman
You have essentially two (really three) choices: Morsi, Sisi, or civil war. The liberals decided to back Sisi in an alliance of convenience, the same as they backed Mubarak.
Which one would be least bad for US interests? Difficulty level: factoring into account that backing the overthrow of a fairly and democratically elected government has a non-zero chance of being a point of resentment in future decades (so a hostile but not terrible government like say Mossadegh or Morsi might be tolerated because installing a client to replace them might not work over a 10-15 year timeframe.)
But if you think Morsi was going to create Iran v2.0 or actually invade Israel instead of whining about Israel in international fora, then supporting the coup could at least be arguable.
Which one would be least bad for US interests? Difficulty level: factoring into account that backing the overthrow of a fairly and democratically elected government has a non-zero chance of being a point of resentment in future decades (so a hostile but not terrible government like say Mossadegh or Morsi might be tolerated because installing a client to replace them might not work over a 10-15 year timeframe.)
But if you think Morsi was going to create Iran v2.0 or actually invade Israel instead of whining about Israel in international fora, then supporting the coup could at least be arguable.
Anonymous
05/27/2016 13:41
Subject: Egypt: Muslim Mob Attacks Christians, Parade Naked Woman
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The genocide of Christians and other non-islam religions in the middle east in tye past few years is horrific. Even sadder is our government turning a blind eye to what is happening over ther to religious minorities.
Obama's legacy will carry that shame.
No more so than GW Bush or any other President.
Anonymous
05/27/2016 11:26
Subject: Egypt: Muslim Mob Attacks Christians, Parade Naked Woman
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am Egyptian-American, and this seems like a new low. ("Religion of peace" poster, please go away). I think areas like the province in Egypt where this happened are ripe for ISIS takeover, especially considering how violent and hateful the people have become, and how incompetent the government is:
CAIRO — An armed Muslim mob stripped an elderly Christian woman and paraded her naked on the streets in an attack last week in which seven Christian homes were also looted and torched in a province south of the Egyptian capital.
According to the local Orthodox Coptic church and security officials, the assault in the Minya province village of Karma on Friday began after rumors spread that the elderly woman's son had an affair with a Muslim woman — a taboo in conservative Egypt.
...
Makarios, in unusually candid comments, said he predicted the crisis in the Minya village will most likely be handled through a government-sponsored meeting of the two sides in which the Christians will be forced to accept "humiliating" conditions for reconciliation.
What a nightmare it would be to live in a place like this, when any rumor could turn into violence, where innocent women are attacked in the streets. There is some outcry over this in Egypt, which is slightly encouraging, but you know, talk is cheap. I also don't know why we support Egypt's government to the extent that we do.
I thought Egypt became a nightmare when it became a military dictatorship. Where were you then?
Here, I bolded it for you: "new low." Egypt has been a military dictatorship since the 1950s. Islamic extremism began to become more of an issue in the 1970s. Whether it is a nightmare to live there has depended on a lot of factors over the decades- mostly your religion, gender, and how much money you have.
.....Egypt grew worse during 2014 as Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, the army chief who overthrew President Mohamed Morsi in a July 2013 coup, consolidated his power.
Worse, in what sense? I'd say it has been a slow downward trajectory since the 1950's, with small peaks and dips in between. The increase in extremism, attacking women, etc., is a part of the social collapse there, combined with any government's unwillingness to give a shit (whether it be Morsi, Mubarak, or al-Sisi). Right now the economy is going through major issues. A few months ago a regular person in Cairo might have said that things were better now. It doesn't really matter, because every government has been garbage.
jsteele
05/27/2016 11:26
Subject: Egypt: Muslim Mob Attacks Christians, Parade Naked Woman
Anonymous wrote:.....Egypt grew worse during 2014 as Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, the army chief who overthrew President Mohamed Morsi in a July 2013 coup, consolidated his power.
Yes, let's teach Egyptian history to an Egyptian.
Anonymous
05/27/2016 11:16
Subject: Egypt: Muslim Mob Attacks Christians, Parade Naked Woman
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am Egyptian-American, and this seems like a new low. ("Religion of peace" poster, please go away). I think areas like the province in Egypt where this happened are ripe for ISIS takeover, especially considering how violent and hateful the people have become, and how incompetent the government is:
CAIRO — An armed Muslim mob stripped an elderly Christian woman and paraded her naked on the streets in an attack last week in which seven Christian homes were also looted and torched in a province south of the Egyptian capital.
According to the local Orthodox Coptic church and security officials, the assault in the Minya province village of Karma on Friday began after rumors spread that the elderly woman's son had an affair with a Muslim woman — a taboo in conservative Egypt.
...
Makarios, in unusually candid comments, said he predicted the crisis in the Minya village will most likely be handled through a government-sponsored meeting of the two sides in which the Christians will be forced to accept "humiliating" conditions for reconciliation.
What a nightmare it would be to live in a place like this, when any rumor could turn into violence, where innocent women are attacked in the streets. There is some outcry over this in Egypt, which is slightly encouraging, but you know, talk is cheap. I also don't know why we support Egypt's government to the extent that we do.
I thought Egypt became a nightmare when it became a military dictatorship. Where were you then?
Here, I bolded it for you: "new low." Egypt has been a military dictatorship since the 1950s. Islamic extremism began to become more of an issue in the 1970s. Whether it is a nightmare to live there has depended on a lot of factors over the decades- mostly your religion, gender, and how much money you have.
.....Egypt grew worse during 2014 as Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, the army chief who overthrew President Mohamed Morsi in a July 2013 coup, consolidated his power.
Anonymous
05/27/2016 11:12
Subject: Egypt: Muslim Mob Attacks Christians, Parade Naked Woman
Anonymous wrote:jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The genocide of Christians and other non-islam religions in the middle east in tye past few years is horrific. Even sadder is our government turning a blind eye to what is happening over ther to religious minorities.
Beyond wagging a finger, I don't think there is much we can or should do. Stopping aid or sanctions doesn't seem helpful. What do you suggest?
Stopping aid would be nice, yeah. What do we get out of supporting countries where this kind of thing goes on?
What we get in this case is a peace treaty with Israel. Given that the present government is a result of a coup against a democratically-elected Muslim Brotherhood government, you can probably find common ground with the Islamacists for cutting aid.
I'm aware that that's been the stated rationale for aid to Egypt for over thirty years. But:
- Egypt
- Israel
I see zero countries on that list that have done anything to deserve donations out of a third of my income that I hand over to the government every year. They're on the other side of the world, and they will never be able to reciprocate, nor would they want to if they somehow could. Let them keep the peace between themselves (or not).
A war there, in the center of the Mideast, adjacent to the Suez Canal, would be bad for US interests.
Look at how the harm from the Syrian Civil War has spread - impacting the politics of several European countries. I do not understand how people can be cavalier about war over there - esp considering how small the aid budget is compared to our defense budget.
Anonymous
05/27/2016 11:11
Subject: Egypt: Muslim Mob Attacks Christians, Parade Naked Woman
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am Egyptian-American, and this seems like a new low. ("Religion of peace" poster, please go away). I think areas like the province in Egypt where this happened are ripe for ISIS takeover, especially considering how violent and hateful the people have become, and how incompetent the government is:
CAIRO — An armed Muslim mob stripped an elderly Christian woman and paraded her naked on the streets in an attack last week in which seven Christian homes were also looted and torched in a province south of the Egyptian capital.
According to the local Orthodox Coptic church and security officials, the assault in the Minya province village of Karma on Friday began after rumors spread that the elderly woman's son had an affair with a Muslim woman — a taboo in conservative Egypt.
...
Makarios, in unusually candid comments, said he predicted the crisis in the Minya village will most likely be handled through a government-sponsored meeting of the two sides in which the Christians will be forced to accept "humiliating" conditions for reconciliation.
What a nightmare it would be to live in a place like this, when any rumor could turn into violence, where innocent women are attacked in the streets. There is some outcry over this in Egypt, which is slightly encouraging, but you know, talk is cheap. I also don't know why we support Egypt's government to the extent that we do.
I thought Egypt became a nightmare when it became a military dictatorship. Where were you then?
Here, I bolded it for you: "new low." Egypt has been a military dictatorship since the 1950s. Islamic extremism began to become more of an issue in the 1970s. Whether it is a nightmare to live there has depended on a lot of factors over the decades- mostly your religion, gender, and how much money you have.
Anonymous
05/27/2016 11:04
Subject: Egypt: Muslim Mob Attacks Christians, Parade Naked Woman
Anonymous wrote:I am Egyptian-American, and this seems like a new low. ("Religion of peace" poster, please go away). I think areas like the province in Egypt where this happened are ripe for ISIS takeover, especially considering how violent and hateful the people have become, and how incompetent the government is:
CAIRO — An armed Muslim mob stripped an elderly Christian woman and paraded her naked on the streets in an attack last week in which seven Christian homes were also looted and torched in a province south of the Egyptian capital.
According to the local Orthodox Coptic church and security officials, the assault in the Minya province village of Karma on Friday began after rumors spread that the elderly woman's son had an affair with a Muslim woman — a taboo in conservative Egypt.
...
Makarios, in unusually candid comments, said he predicted the crisis in the Minya village will most likely be handled through a government-sponsored meeting of the two sides in which the Christians will be forced to accept "humiliating" conditions for reconciliation.
What a nightmare it would be to live in a place like this, when any rumor could turn into violence, where innocent women are attacked in the streets. There is some outcry over this in Egypt, which is slightly encouraging, but you know, talk is cheap. I also don't know why we support Egypt's government to the extent that we do.
I thought Egypt became a nightmare when it became a military dictatorship. Where were you then?
Anonymous
05/27/2016 11:02
Subject: Egypt: Muslim Mob Attacks Christians, Parade Naked Woman
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The genocide of Christians and other non-islam religions in the middle east in tye past few years is horrific. Even sadder is our government turning a blind eye to what is happening over ther to religious minorities.
Beyond wagging a finger, I don't think there is much we can or should do. Stopping aid or sanctions doesn't seem helpful. What do you suggest?
Stopping immigration or we'll have the same barbarism here.
Don't say you weren't warned.
Well you needed something to replace the Red Menace and the Yellow Peril. I guess you have it now.
Anonymous
05/27/2016 10:57
Subject: Egypt: Muslim Mob Attacks Christians, Parade Naked Woman
jsteele wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The genocide of Christians and other non-islam religions in the middle east in tye past few years is horrific. Even sadder is our government turning a blind eye to what is happening over ther to religious minorities.
Beyond wagging a finger, I don't think there is much we can or should do. Stopping aid or sanctions doesn't seem helpful. What do you suggest?
Stopping aid would be nice, yeah. What do we get out of supporting countries where this kind of thing goes on?
What we get in this case is a peace treaty with Israel. Given that the present government is a result of a coup against a democratically-elected Muslim Brotherhood government, you can probably find common ground with the Islamacists for cutting aid.
I'm aware that that's been the stated rationale for aid to Egypt for over thirty years. But:
- Egypt
- Israel
I see zero countries on that list that have done anything to deserve donations out of a third of my income that I hand over to the government every year. They're on the other side of the world, and they will never be able to reciprocate, nor would they want to if they somehow could. Let them keep the peace between themselves (or not).
Anonymous
05/27/2016 10:48
Subject: Egypt: Muslim Mob Attacks Christians, Parade Naked Woman
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry, didn't post the link to the whole story: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/05/26/world/middleeast/ap-ml-egypt-christians-.html?_r=0
This is atrocious and should get all the attention.
However, NY Times and the OP fail to recognize attaching religion with incorrect behavior is promoting haters to hate innocent people based on religion. There are millions of Muslims (I am not a Muslim) in the world (and in Egypt) who are peace loving normal people like you and me.
I am sure you do not want to target the police officers who paralyzed the Indian old man in Alabama as Christian mob, or the hate crimes that happened after 9/11 to be the work of Christian mob. Will you? Why would you then attach religion to an atrocious act that happened in another country. What purpose it serves other than giving KKK like mentality to flourish?
You wonder why Trump is popular, it is because of the depiction of stories like this in MSM and it is because people like you & me tolerating and promoting this bias.
OP here. I'm not about maligning Muslims, but this is a sectarian conflict, and it's along religious lines. If you are describing a hate crime against black people, your assumption is not that other black people did it. This is what is happening in Egypt: a Muslim majority is allowing the ethnic cleansing of a Christian minority. If we were talking about a country where a Christian majority was allowing the ethnic cleansing of a Muslim minority, I would not protest those words being used. They are just the facts. This is just what is happening. If your conclusion is that all Muslims are evil, that's an ignorant way of thinking, and it's on you.